9 August 2006

Tourism subsidies a real drag: Australia Institute

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Leftish think tank, the Australia Institute, has weighed into the dragway debate in today’s CT.

A couple of relevant quotes:

ACT taxpayers have good reason to ask why these types of subsidies are being offered to projects like the dragway when the evidence shows that they are likely to provide no net benefit to the community. This is particularly the case in the ACT where the Government is desperately searching for ways to balance its budget. The answer appears to be that governments are afraid of standing up to the influential tourism lobby.

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Public money spent on the dragway is money that can’t be spent on schools and hospitals. If people want a dragway, that is fine – just don’t expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab for it.

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It’s still a lame-arse ‘build it and they will come’ business model. The law and order shit doesn’t wash when you stack it up against jobs created. If we had decent law enforcement that did something about these pricks there’d be heaps of jobs – lawyers and their myriad of para-legals to represent the offenders, auctioneers to sell the confiscated cars, taxi drivers to drive the hapless saps home, schools painted and garden beds sorted by the convicted pricks doing community service … the opportunities are endless!

I just don’t want one

S4anta,
Can it be explained how the ACT Government (and ratepayers) directly earns a return from Floriade? No entry fee is charged. About the only direct income would be parking and speeding fines garnered from attendees. Certainly local businesses gain income, and locals are employed, which makes the dollar go round, but isn’t this what the CT article was arguing. At least the Dragway pays rates/rent directly to Government and also helps the dollar go round from attendees spending.
The executive fiat has a turbo, its the fiat executive that has the V8.
Cranky

Floriade may be a money spinner, but what about the $300,000 a year spent on getting the kangaroos to play at Manuka. The Australia Institue has a point about governments wasting money attracting events with no economic value. In the end we were lucky the Goldcoast out bid us for the kangaroos games, saved a bit scratch.

Cranky, I would be careful including Floriade in this. It has been proven time and time again, that it is real money spinner. My opinions on dragways and the wankers that go to them is tainted by the fact that I live on a very wide, straight road and I get to hear/feel folks blazing up and down said road at least six nights a week.

Although this would be minimised by the dragway, I seriously doubt it.

Cranky when you say “…executive fiat” do you mean a Bambino with suicide doors, leather upholstery and a turbo charged V8?

You don’t own a recumbent that you ride in the nude do you?

I’m sorry that this guy is going to lose his farm, but I’m sure the property is far from pristine wilderness. Our old dragway (which was still OK) was taken away from us, the govt has promised a replacement dragway to motorsport fans for many years now, and all ACT land is leasehold. I heard no complaints from these guys when they reclaimed the dragway land, now the shoe is on the other foot.

First they came for the Comunists, and I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out. Then they came for me.

I’m not sure who this article is aimed at, apart from the anti-dragway crowd. Financing the Dragway is a result of election promises (by both Labor and Liberal) to correct the closing by executive fiat of a profitable, non government funded, privately run dragway that returned an income in rent/rate return to the ACT government. This reason for funding is not a result of Government deciding a return will be gained from the investment, although it is virtually guaranteed, based on the previous well run operation.

Why was the Dragway singled out in this article? I would love to see cost/benefit results for Skyfire/Balloon Circus/Floriade/etc.

Whatever guv. Jack the petrol up to $10/litre, stir some real care and investment into alt. fuels. Whatever, I ve been drinking and listening to question time on ABC news radio and it’s fired me up

Letter to the Chronicle, AUG 8 2006, Trevor Brogan.
“I am the lessee of Block 51, Majura Road, on which the proposed dragway is to be developed. Please let me clarify a few pooints to Mr Allen.
Not many people are actually aware that our farm is to be resumed so that a minority of dragway supporters can indulge in their sporting interest. To take a beautiful habitat which includes many varieties of fauna, some that are endangered, and see it destroyed is heartbreaking.
For it to be taken by force and given to a minority organisation which will cause major devastation to the environment is unjust and truly devastating.
Our farm has been part of our family’s history for many years. How would you feel if your home was taken from you? Not a very appealling prospect one would think. Seems a bit unfair wouldn’t you say?
Even if in the unlikely even that a dragway is not developed it has been a stressful year to say the least. Not knowing if the ACT government will take my home and livelihood away has meant I am unable to make or implement any plans.
Mr Allen’s statements regarding our neighbours being 3.2 km away really shows how ill informed he is. The nearest is a mere 400 metres and the others within a 1km radius. This doesn’t include the public that use the Ainslie reserve for recreational activities who will be affected. Training on a daily baisis and the scheduled racing events will cause unbearable noise conditions for residents in Pialligo, Hackett and Watson. (continued)
This is not something you would enjoy living with on a day-to-day basis would it? The events will run all day and late into the evening. The noise generated by the racing and revving of engines will be accompanied by an intrusive PA system.
Who do you think you are kidding? A fine prospect for those who live and work in the valley. Just as long as it’s not in your backyard, hey Mr Allen?
Trevor Brogan, Majura Valley.

Sorry for the typos above – is there any way to delete double posts?

Letter to the Chronicle, AUG 8 2006, Trevor Brogan.
“I am teh lessee of Block 51, Majura Road, on which teh proposed dragway is to be developed. Please let me clarify a few pooints to Mr Allen.
Not many people are actually aware that our farm is to be resumed so that a minority of draway supposters can indulge in their sporting interest. To take a beautiful habitat which incfldes many varieties of fauna, some that are endagered, and see it destroyed is heartbreaking.
For it to be taken by force and gfiven to a minority organisation which will cause major devastation to the environment is unjust and truoly devastating.
Our farm has been part of our family’s history for many years. How would you feel if your home was taken from you? Not a very appealling propect one would think. Seems a bit unfair wouldn’t you say?
Even if in the unlikely even that a dragway is not developed it has been a stressful year to say the least. Not knowing if the ACT government will take my home and livelihood away has meant I am unable to make of implement any plans.
Mr Alen’s statements regarding our neighbours being 3.2 km away really shows how ill informed he is. The nearest is a mere 400 metres and the others within a 1km radius. This doesn’t include the public that use the Ainslie reserve for recreational activities who will be affected. Trainign on a daily baisis and the scheduled racing events will cause unbearable noise conditions for residents in Pialligo, Hackett and Watson.

Unfortunately the only way a dragway can be built in Canberra is via Government intervention, as only they have the power to kick people off their land, in order to build the dragway on it. Likewise only the government has the power to rewrite local noise laws to make the noise generated by the dragway legal.
There was a very interesting letter to this week’s Chronicle by the current owner of the dragway site. If I get time I’ll type it out.

Absent Diane3:20 pm 09 Aug 06

you could hear the racing in kwinana clearly in pinjarra when I lived there.

My sleep used to broken by neighbourhood cats. Then a possum took up residence in my yard. all i get now are lumps of skin and cat fur skattered about. its quite good.

A can report that it works a treat S4anta – we had one of these dit-bags parking their car up behind our place in the wee hours of the morning – stereo blaring. I poked the old slug gun through a gap in the fence and I was just cocking it for the fourth time when he pissed off – that was months ago and not an interrupted nights sleep since.

I just want to take pot-shots at the hoons Tusken Raider style.

I just want one.

Growling Ferret2:01 pm 09 Aug 06

I’m a supporter of the concept of a dragway in Canberra to replace the community built facility that was screwed by various levels of Government, but its window of opportunity may be coming to an end. On the east coast, you already have Western Sydney International Dragway (WSID) – an absolutely first class $40mil strip, Willowbank in Queensland, and it looks like a new $40mil facility is being planned for Victoria. With Kwinana in WA, this leaves 4 top level dragways – and there isn’t the money in the sport in Australia to keep 5 or 6 top level places going. When you have street drags an hour up the road at Wakefield Park, and WSID 3 hours away, is there still the need for one in Canberra?

As any motorsport competitor knows, a 6 hour return trip is a small travel time for top level competition…

I wonder how many cucumber sandwiches and glasses of chardy this rubbish cost.

Having said that … now let me say this – it should be a fundamental responsibility of government to actively try and be as small as possible and to interfere in peoples live and the market as little as possible. If market forces dictate the necessity of a dragway then capital will be raised and lo we will have a dragway. Arguing that having a dragway will generate income because people will come here and spend is weak and any “build it and they will come” business plan would have to be treated with extreme caution. Such a financial spin off is an added bonus, but shouldn’t be viewed as a driver for investment.

To that end I couldn’t help agreeing with the point that Government spending on tourism is a subsidy that other business are excluded from.

…oh and just for the record – I still hold the view that Clive Hamilton is a lefty watermelon scumbag.

The argument that money spent on a dragway could be spent elsewhere is pretty lame – after all if people want good hospitals/education/sports fields etc, that’s fine just dont expect the Government to pay for it.

Australia Institute is irrelevant. Another bunch of screeching lefties……

I suspect the dragway’s not the best thing to hang the argument off since I reckon the hoon vote, rather than tourist industry special pleading, influenced Stanhope’s decision.

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