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Tralee development, Take 2

By DeadlySchnauzer 7 October 2010 29

The Queanbeyan Age quietly brings word that the public submissions process for the Tralee housing development has now started for the second time.

People might remember that the first submission process was shot down by the snowster in court earlier this year, either because of a small technicality or a fundamentally flawed plan (depending on who you believe).

Who’s cuisine will rein supreme this time round?

Anddd… go.


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jenpet 3:05 pm 08 Nov 10

I must also add that I am from Sydney and a little noise from a plane that might last a few seconds is NOTHING compared to the CONSTANT noise from traffic in Sydney, cars, trucks, sirens and then helicopters over head are a constant daily noise, I’ll take a plane any day, well maybe depends on how big they are and how often they pass LOL!!

jenpet 2:59 pm 08 Nov 10

I find this all rather amusing!! I have recently moved here and am living in Jerra up on the hill on Waterfall Drive, the planes pass directly over top of our house so much so you feel you can rub their belly as they pass over, come see for yourself if you dont believe me! So either the planes have changed routes or these lots were sold knowing the planes flew overhead?? Anyway if you sell lots in a flight path surely its up to people whether they buy them or not?? I must also say that Tralee is actually a lot lower than were I am on the hill so surely the noise level will not be as bad as it is up here?? I am in desperate need of a block, so I will be lining up to buy one planes and all, beats seeing into your neighbours windows like in Gunghalin lol

sepi 3:04 pm 19 Oct 10

There is already aircraft noise in areas like Hackett, Campbell and Jarrabomberra. Some may consider it ‘minor’ noise – some may not. The airport used to say that no Canberra resident would experience aircraft noise over 60 decibells. They’ve stopped saying that now, and the Hackett noise monitor registered aircraft noise in Hackett well over that.

It makes no sense at all to build under a flightpath. It will definitely attract noise complaints from the future residents.

Saying that 80% of planes go north means nothing – if the airport increases their flights, the 20% that go south could be quite a lot.

p1 2:21 pm 19 Oct 10

rosscoact said :

Knows Best said :

By the way I noticed the the average income in Queanbeyan now exceeds the ACT average for most areas, maybe a few of you bogans might step up one day and come and live in Queanbeyan/Jerrabomberra/Tralee if you can afford it?

bogans are still bogans no matter how much they earn

CUBs – Cashed up Bogans.

rosscoact 1:59 pm 19 Oct 10

Knows Best said :

By the way I noticed the the average income in Queanbeyan now exceeds the ACT average for most areas, maybe a few of you bogans might step up one day and come and live in Queanbeyan/Jerrabomberra/Tralee if you can afford it?

bogans are still bogans no matter how much they earn

p1 1:37 pm 19 Oct 10

Noise, noise noise noise noise noise noise noise …

Yup, you’re right!

busgirl 1:32 pm 19 Oct 10

All this noise about noise…what say you “A noisy noise annoys an oyster”? Just how annoyed are you?

…has anyone else noticed how the word “noise” starts to look/sound really strange when you write/say it too many times?

DeadlySchnauzer 12:24 pm 19 Oct 10

p1 said :

If there is no possibility of noise sharing, and no problem cause it is not noisy in tralee anyway, then why is the airport spending considerable effort opposing it?

I believe this whole thing is a scare campaign by the airport simply because they want to minimise the number of potential people who can complain about low levels of noise. As i said earlier in the thread, there is nothing special about Tralee. It will receive equal or less noise than existing Canberra and Queanbeyan suburbs because it is much further out along the flight paths. The airports own noise maps back this up.

In fact the airports whole premise is based on a lie… they claim that Tralee will prevent planes taking off over rural land to the south, yet the primary runway faces the opposite direction and 80% of take offs are actually to the north.

p1 9:29 pm 18 Oct 10

Knows Best said :

The Federal Government Guidelines on greenfield sites around airports says there will be NO noise sharing so please explain to me where anyone will be disadvantaged? Why do you think the region will be hurt and why?

If there is no possibility of noise sharing, and no problem cause it is not noisy in tralee anyway, then why is the airport spending considerable effort opposing it?

farq 7:42 pm 18 Oct 10

Knows Best said :

its fairly common knowledge in the aviation industry that planes are getting quieter and larger so there will be less aircraft movements in the future…

A brave prediction, but I think history has shown us that as aircraft have become larger and more economical, they get used more (also a ‘quieter’ aircraft is still going to be a very loud).

It’s a logical assumption that as Canberra and Queanbeyan expand (and the people of the world become more mobile), the airport will see more traffic. You seem one-eyed that this can’t happen and therefore Tralee is okay. I think history will prove you wrong.

Knows Best said :

The Federal Government Guidelines on greenfield sites around airports says there will be NO noise sharing so please explain to me where anyone will be disadvantaged?

Government reports from 2009 won’t matter in 2025-2040 (Lucas Heights anyone?).

You only have to visit people living in parts of Sydney to hear the amount of noise aircraft make taking off and landing over a suburb.

It’s a mistake Sydney has to live with. It’s a mistake we don’t have to make.

There are plenty of other places to cut up into lousy 400m2 blocks.

Knows Best 9:16 pm 08 Oct 10

……….and before you ask I have nothing to do with the Village Building Company.

Knows Best 5:39 pm 08 Oct 10

Sepi, the houses don’t need to be insulated for aircraft noise, but to deal with the airport’s propaganda they are and don’t get confused with insulation to keep you warm at night and insulation for noise attenuation; two different things. Sepi is your house insulated for noise?
P1, its fairly common knowledge in the aviation industry that planes are getting quieter and larger so there will be less aircraft movements in the future and they will be quieter. The issue is about aircraft noise and not location. All of Australia is a flight path of some sorts, the issue is whether aircraft noise is a problem. Tralee meets all the current planning requirements…………..end of story!! If a very fast train ever gets to Canberra, nobody will be catching planes from Canberra anyway. Based on wind direction and for departing aircraft (the most noisiest) most departures are to the north (over 80%) and not Tralee because of prevailing winds.
Farq, mate I have not been taken in, I just happen to know more about it then anyone else in the ACT and to listen to the crap that goes on by those who don’t gets under my skin. The Federal Government Guidelines on greenfield sites around airports says there will be NO noise sharing so please explain to me where anyone will be disadvantaged? Why do you think the region will be hurt and why? Tralee and the optimistic expansionary aspirations of the airport (which will never happen) can co-exist. Go out to Tralee, listen to the planes coming in and then comment. Its easy to tell when people have been captured by Snow and Byron. Also go check out the ANEF contours around Tralee and you will see that Tralee sits well outside the problem areas. Actually Jerrabomberra is closer to the ILS then Tralee. Also most aircraft noise complaints come from those residents who live in the ACT and not NSW.

farq 10:31 am 08 Oct 10

Knows Best said :

the housing proposed will be a very high standard, much like Jerrabomberra and much better then the slums of Gungahlin etc.

Lol. I feel sorry for you that you have taken in all the pro-development Tralee propaganda.

Simple fact is Tralee is located under the only available flight path that is not over existing houses.

What kind of fool would think it’s a good place to build? Tralee will be a disadvantage to the the future economic development of the region?

Why hurt the whole region for a slum suburb that no one who could afford better would want to live in?

The only people who will benefit from Tralee is the Village Building Company, while the people of the region pay the price long into the future.

p1 10:29 am 08 Oct 10

Knows Best said :

Amazing to hear people comment on this when they haven’t a clue about the processes and the legislation….

Why is this amazing? Comment was called for (in the OP, if not is the processes and the legislation). In addition, everyone who lives in the greater Canberra area have an interest in the continued operation of the airport and therefore some cause to comment.

Sure, the airport has been pretty proactive about putting their views on development out there (propaganda if you will, and the airport are one of my most hated entities when it comes to developments which are not of benefit to the greater community), but so have every other interested party.

Increased use of the airport in the future, which will almost certainly happen (if not to the extent the airport group spout on about) will mean more noise for all. I am a fan of leaving the biggest possible corridor of undeveloped land, so that as much traffic as possible can be channelled over uninhabited land (subject of course to wind direction etc).

Seems pretty simple to me. Hypothetically, if the government owned every single square inch of non-residential land within, say, 100km of Queanbeyan, would anyone be pushing the the Tralee site to be developed? Why not somewhere else?

sepi 10:12 am 08 Oct 10

If I’m sitting in my insulated house and I hear aircraft noise, and then I read in the Australian Standard that i shouldn’t hear noise, is the noise really there……..

And if noise is such a non-issue for Tralee, why will all the houses have to be noise insulated?

Knows Best 9:54 am 08 Oct 10

Amazing to hear people comment on this when they haven’t a clue about the processes and the legislation, seems everyone has been taken in by the Canberra Airport’s propaganda. The court case was about a small part of the NSW planning legislation and had nothing to do with the merits of the Tralee proposal. Tralee housing will be well outside the noise contours which allow for housing to be developed and you can’t compare the problems with Sydney Airport to Tralee, where Tralee is much further out and the planes will be a lot higher, therefore less noise.
All the homes will be insulated in accordance with the Australian standard for aircraft noise, but they don’t even have to do that. Obviously Sepi is an expert on the Australian Standard.
Canberra Airport’s prediction are that aircraft movements for the airport will one day exceed those of Sydney today. What a joke, Sydney has 4 mill people and is the gateway to Australia, Canberra’s population will top out at 500,000, do the math and if you have been taken in by Airport’s arguments about Tralee I feel sorry for you.
For anyone who doesn’t know where Tralee is and I suspect most of you, it is at the southern end of Hume, miles from anywhere and looks as though Farq has got it all farqen wrong when the housing proposed will be a very high standard, much like Jerrabomberra and much better then the slums of Gungahlin etc.
By the way I noticed the the average income in Queanbeyan now exceeds the ACT average for most areas, maybe a few of you bogans might step up one day and come and live in Queanbeyan/Jerrabomberra/Tralee if you can afford it?

DeadlySchnauzer 9:24 am 08 Oct 10

If you look at the airports own published noise maps, Tralee experiences the same or *less* noise than existing inner north and jerra residents. Despite the fact that tralee is under the flight path, it is much further from the airport than other areas, hence the planes are higher and the noise is less.

so imo there is nothing special or unique about Tralee and airport noise as the snowster would try and have us believe. I think he is just concerned that it will be yet more residents complaining about noise to the same degree as existing hackett and jerra people do, and they might therefore reach some critical mass and actually get restrictions applied.

tommy 10:34 pm 07 Oct 10

banshee – Fyshwick is a lot closer to the airport that Jerra/Tralee though (ie 1km vs 14km).

zig 10:16 pm 07 Oct 10

The airport should have been moved further out of town a looooong time ago.

sepi 9:34 pm 07 Oct 10

I wonder if anyone can be bothered to even respond to this round. I certainly can’t and I hate aircraft noise. Perhaps Bob Winnel win win by boring us all to death with the subject.

Soundproofing doesn’t really work though, so that isn’t much of an option. We have all the obvious sound proof stuff and still hear planes loud and clear. Unless Tralee will be bunker style underground accomodations, they will hear planes no matter how much double glazing they put in.

Not to mention that sometimes they might want to sit outside, or open the back door.

Stupid Idea. So it will probably happen.

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