Transport study for Northbourne Avenue

johnboy 11 March 2011 50
Northbourne Avenue

Chief Minister Stanhope has announced a study into sorting out the ever more congested Northbourne Avenue.

He seems to be leaning towards a major bus station (and one imagines car park) in Dickson to shuttle people into the City.

Consulting firm URS has been appointed to conduct the study, which will cover the section of Northbourne Avenue from Flemington Road to the City. Also included in the study is an investigation of a bus station in Dickson to increase the uptake of public transport.

Mr Stanhope said URS would work closely with the National Capital Authority to identify the nationally significant characteristics of the corridor. The study will protect and enhance these characteristics while delivering improved reliability, more efficient bus services and a dedicated cycling route.

“The study is due for completion in the third quarter of this year and will involve targeted consultation with community representatives, community councils and key interest groups,” Mr Stanhope said.


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merlin bodega merlin bodega 4:14 pm 11 Mar 11

Another study? How many does it take? I thought there was an American guy about two years ago who was going to solve all our bus problems and the Gungahlin Civic Route was right up there. Looks like the Chief bought another 76 trombones. It now takes 40 minutes to get to Civic from close in parts of Gungahlin if you leave home for the bus at 7:20. Connect to Parkes or barton and that’s an hour each way every day.

The buses are now working about as slowly as they could with queues to get off as well as queues to get on after the revolutionary MyWay system.

Can’t wait to see the latest “options” in the next report.

Have to agree with the Chief that the only way to fix the road congestion is to eliminate parking in Civic and skyrocket the price for what is left. Shame about all those shops going broke but someone has to pay I guess.

Sleaz274 Sleaz274 4:04 pm 11 Mar 11

Does anyone remember the glorious day when the bus drivers were on strike and Northbourne flowed like a slippery slide in high summer with 2 bottles of dishwashing liqud thrown on it down a rather large hill…Northbourne is the least of the congestion problems IMO.

Or get some of the big agencies out of the city centre.

Another waste of money report to tell us what we already know and is already information filed in a big green binder in the ACTPS cupboard. More buses and more cars on roads equals more congestion. Ask Sydneysiders.

Keijidosha Keijidosha 3:20 pm 11 Mar 11

shadow boxer said :

So explain to me again why I would get up, get in the car, drop the kids at school, drive through the congestion to epic, get out park the car, wait for a bus, pay $3 a day for the priviledge, get out at civic, catch another bus to Barton and them repeat on the way home every day. Would add at least 2 hours to my daily commute.

Clearly the best way to improve Northbourne ave is to get the bikes and busses off it and let the traffic flow. a bus station in Dickson sending the busses dowen an alternative route to civic could work but it would need some analysis of the best route. maybe express down Cowper st/Limestone Ave.

Of course! Because the 14 lane freeways in California that turn into parking lots during peak hour have proven that more cars will solve traffic congestion issues.

You need the benefits of a public transport solution explained to you? Here goes:
The ACTION Redex service already goes from EPIC to Barton without changeover. At present it is crippled by the traffic on Northbourne. Construct a dedicated transport corridor and the trip would take about 15-20 minutes, tops. Plonk a football field-size carpark near Mitchell and connect it to some major arterial roads to avoid congestion. Make parking free for bus users or package it into a discounted payment structure.

Whether you feel such a service would be worth $5.50 a day is up to you, but it seems like a no-brainer to me.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 3:18 pm 11 Mar 11

shadow boxer said :

So explain to me again why I would get up, get in the car, drop the kids at school, drive through the congestion to epic, get out park the car, wait for a bus, pay $3 a day for the priviledge, get out at civic, catch another bus to Barton and them repeat on the way home every day. Would add at least 2 hours to my daily commute.

Clearly the best way to improve Northbourne ave is to get the bikes and busses off it and let the traffic flow. a bus station in Dickson sending the busses dowen an alternative route to civic could work but it would need some analysis of the best route. maybe express down Cowper st/Limestone Ave.

The problem with this sort of reply is that you figure everyone has to respond the same. Cannot you conceive that if PT is a heap better for a lot more people, then people such as yourself who find it too hard will instead benefit from less congested roads? Therefore should not the rational position from you be to wholeheartedly support any and all PT improvements?

Snave81 said :

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

There were enough complaints on here recently about the tax payer subsidy for Action Buses. If light rail came in that subsidy would probably increase substantially. The increase would be on top of the $2 billion (according to the PricewaterhouseCoopers report) that light rail would cost to build. While light rail is a nice idea, the ACT doesn’t have the population and is to spread out to make it a viable option.

Not quite and only part of the picture. The PWC cost-benefit analysis showed the total cost if the whole bloody light rail network were built up front (which would never happen) would be $1.6B. It went on to show a benefit return in reduced road and other costs plus increased benefits of $2.6B. So a net benefit of $1B. And that included the rail operational expenses. Toss in the FACT that the PWC terms of reference precluded them from including in the benefit column the increased rate and land sale revenues. My guesstimate – another half billion easy.

So what we were left with was – correct me if I’m wrong – an analysis that essentially says if the ACT MLAs DON’T go ahead with it, then they are financially mismanaging the budget.

shadow boxer shadow boxer 2:33 pm 11 Mar 11

So explain to me again why I would get up, get in the car, drop the kids at school, drive through the congestion to epic, get out park the car, wait for a bus, pay $3 a day for the priviledge, get out at civic, catch another bus to Barton and them repeat on the way home every day. Would add at least 2 hours to my daily commute.

Clearly the best way to improve Northbourne ave is to get the bikes and busses off it and let the traffic flow. a bus station in Dickson sending the busses dowen an alternative route to civic could work but it would need some analysis of the best route. maybe express down Cowper st/Limestone Ave.

Snave81 Snave81 2:16 pm 11 Mar 11

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

There were enough complaints on here recently about the tax payer subsidy for Action Buses. If light rail came in that subsidy would probably increase substantially. The increase would be on top of the $2 billion (according to the PricewaterhouseCoopers report) that light rail would cost to build. While light rail is a nice idea, the ACT doesn’t have the population and is to spread out to make it a viable option.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 1:50 pm 11 Mar 11

Buzz2600 said :

In the meantime, why not utilise the parking available in the Exhibition Park/Racecourse areas and have the park & ride start there? Free parking might encourage people to ditch the car. Nothing else will entice people onto buses in Canberra.

We started campaigning for this idea in 2008, and last year the ACT Government agreed. It is now in the works. It will need the Morriset Road rebuild to be done to give the access to the back EPIC carparks – from Federal Hwy as well as Flemington Rd.

Buzz2600 Buzz2600 1:27 pm 11 Mar 11

+ 1 for a light rail. If Mr Stanhope wants a ‘big Canberra’ time to start planning for a genuine infrastructure upgrade which includes public transport which does not rely on existing roads.

A bus station in Dickson will require a major upgrade to parking/traffic improvement etc for an already car-saturated disaster zone. In the meantime, why not utilise the parking available in the Exhibition Park/Racecourse areas and have the park & ride start there? Free parking might encourage people to ditch the car. Nothing else will entice people onto buses in Canberra.

Watson Watson 1:22 pm 11 Mar 11

Keijidosha said :

Fair call about the median being unsuitable for a bus lane, but a cycleway is another perfectly good (and logical) use for the area. In fact this should have been done instead of the suicycle lanes they’ve painted on the verge.

I agree and it’s very common to do this on busy multi-lane roads in Europe. It does take some planning around intersections though. Most of the road would be ok as there are seperate lanes and lights to turn right and the latter are seperate from the lights to go straight ahead. This is not the case for the whole road though. Think about Braddon and Civic. The way the intersections there work now, the bicycle light could only go green there when all the other lights are red.

Still, even if it doesn’t go all the way down to Civic, it would still be a major improvement.

Seperate bus lanes on busy roads is also a tactic used all over Western Europe to get people out of their cars and onto the bus. But again, it’s not as straightforward as it may seem when it comes to intersections. You would need to allow cars onto the bus lane to turn left for example.

And totally agree with the need to synchronise the lights! They used to be – for a very short time – years ago and what a difference that makes. They are so far behind on traffic planning here compared to the majority of the first world… Synchronising lights makes a huge difference to traffic flow.

KaptnKaos KaptnKaos 1:17 pm 11 Mar 11

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

How many more studies does stranglehope need to tell him that this city needs a light rail system between major centres.

“Targeted consultation” = those who will agree with stranglehope.

churl churl 1:16 pm 11 Mar 11

Easy fix:
Build Monash Drive.

screaming banshee screaming banshee 1:16 pm 11 Mar 11

Keijidosha said :

2) Without a bus lane, if a bus entered the bay it would have difficulty re-entering the flow of traffic (esp. in peak times).

You’ve not experienced the courtesy of an Action bus driver changing lanes then have you? Aside from the fact that the law states cars must make way for a bus exiting a bus stop, those drivers are bat shit crazy and will pull across in front of anything.

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

Why? A dedicated bus transit corridor would be more flexible, much cheaper and more effective than light rail. Give them right of way and whatnot like Melbournes trams…but they don’t actually need to be trams.

Keijidosha Keijidosha 12:45 pm 11 Mar 11

Fair call about the median being unsuitable for a bus lane, but a cycleway is another perfectly good (and logical) use for the area. In fact this should have been done instead of the suicycle lanes they’ve painted on the verge.

I would object to the 4 lane/transit proposal on the basis that it does nothing to discourage commuters from using the road – which is the heart of the problem. The solution needs to be something that offers enough encourangement for people to ditch their cars in favour of buses/bikes.
For mine that solution is 2 lanes of traffic and a dedicated bus lane (and bays) – T2/T3 lanes are only useful when constantly policed.

Oh, and I suspect the reasons there are currently no bus bays are twofold:
1) There are often several buses nose-to-tail travelling down Northbourne, so the bays would have to be rediculously long in order to be fit for purpose.
2) Without a bus lane, if a bus entered the bay it would have difficulty re-entering the flow of traffic (esp. in peak times).

Erg0 Erg0 12:07 pm 11 Mar 11

I’d be happy if they just made an effort to synchronise the traffic lights a bit better. Then again, I only drive down Northbourne a couple of times a month (for good reason).

shadow boxer shadow boxer 12:05 pm 11 Mar 11

Convert outside lanes of Northbourne to dedicated bus lanes… GO! Line marking would take about two weeks tops.

God no !!! the traffic would bank up to Hall insteqad of just the Racecourse.

KB1971 KB1971 12:02 pm 11 Mar 11

joingler said :

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

Northbourne avenue is probably the only place Light Rail would be a great success. Definitely worth putting it in, and extending it to Gungahlin via Flemington Road. Not many other areas where population is heavy enough to justify it.

So no one lives south of the lake?

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 12:00 pm 11 Mar 11

Tony Gill told the GCC meeting on Wednesday that they are considering putting a cycleway down the centre median, but can’t put a bus lane there because the brainwaves in the NCA over the years (and even just last year) allowed the spooks, telcos and ever other mob with a backhoe to lay cables and other crap down the middle.

They are looking then to retain the 3 traffic lanes in each direction, and widen the existing cycle lanes outwards to form a 4th lane each way for bus/transit. It was raised that they wouldn’t be very fast transit lanes if people are stuck behind bus stops, but Tony conceded they’d only work if there were bays off to the side at bus stops – as there should have been now anyway, I would have thought.

Keijidosha Keijidosha 11:51 am 11 Mar 11

Convert outside lanes of Northbourne to dedicated bus lanes… GO! Line marking would take about two weeks tops.

Better yet, if Stanhope won’t give us light rail, at least pave a big ol’ runway straight down the median strip of Northbourne and run the busses like Melbourne trams. Stops at each intersection and no conjestion to worry about.

joingler joingler 11:47 am 11 Mar 11

Athryn said :

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

Northbourne avenue is probably the only place Light Rail would be a great success. Definitely worth putting it in, and extending it to Gungahlin via Flemington Road. Not many other areas where population is heavy enough to justify it.

Athryn Athryn 11:31 am 11 Mar 11

LIGHT RAIL!!!!!!! FFS Give us light rail!!

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