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Trolley fines start Wednesday

By johnboy - 25 February 2011 36

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Chief Minister Stanhope has announced his new shopping trolley laws are kicking off from next Wednesday.

Here’s a list of new things you can get in trouble for:

    — Failure to display a notice about taking a shopping trolley outside of a shopping centre precinct. – 10 penalty units

    — Failure to display identification on your shopping trolley. – 10 penalty units

    Failure to keep a shopping trolley within your shopping centre precinct. (Note: this offence does not apply if the retailer operates and maintains a trolley containment system at its premises or takes reasonable steps to ensure that a trolley is not removed from a shopping centre precinct.) – 60 penalty units

    — Failure to comply with a direction to return a shopping trolley. (Note: there are exemptions where complying with the direction to return a shopping trolley to a shopping precinct would be harsh or unreasonable, for example where a parent would have to leave young children alone in a car. – 10 penalty units

    — Removing, defacing or interfering with a removal notice attached to a shopping trolley. – 5 penalty units

For new players, a penalty unit is $550 for a corporation and $110 for an individual.

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EvanJames 12:40 pm 28 Feb 11

jsm2090 said :

Human nature dictactes we will always favour personal convenience over consideration for others etc, and there’s no way this can be policed.

Pretty much. So those of use who are considerate, and actually do the right thing even if no one is looking will continue to do the right thing. The lazy and entitlement-minded will continue to do whatever they can get away with.

jsm2090 10:59 am 28 Feb 11

Human nature dictactes we will always favour personal convenience over consideration for others etc, and there’s no way this can be policed. Wheel locks that prevent the trolleys leaving a predetermined radius from the supermarket as seen in Sydney, keep things in check. If you can’t push it past the carpark, you can’t dump it two suburbs away.

smeeagain 10:52 am 28 Feb 11

The legislation can be found here http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/2010-34/current/pdf/2010-34.pdf

A shopping centre precinct is defined as:

shopping centre precinct means—
(a) an area consisting of—
(i) a shopping centre; and
(ii) any car park provided for the use of customers of the
shopping centre; and
(iii) any area, including a road or other public place, between
the shopping centre and the car park; and
(iv) any other area provided for the use of customers of the
shopping centre immediately adjacent to the shopping
centre; or
(b) an area prescribed by regulation.

So unless you’re parking miles away from the shop, it won’t be an issue for those who can’t work out the logistics of car, children, trolley.

wildturkeycanoe 7:41 am 28 Feb 11

housebound said :

Don’t shop at Belco mall – try Kippax, Jammo or Kaleen (all cheaper and much easier parking)

Kippax is almost worse than Belco, flat out getting a spot in the afternoons. Lately I’ve been avoiding it and the long queues at the self serve register [always a third of machines busted].As for being cheaper, food is the same price and it doesn’t take over 3 hours to do the groceries.
Great point about being illegal to leave the kids in the car. Can’t look where you’re going and keep an eye on the car at the same time and don’t say kidnapping doesn’t or couldn’t happen.
What if it’s raining? Do you leave the kids in the trolley, then carry one under each arm along with the umbrella, handbag and then try to dig out the keys to unlock the doors?

Why are we arguing these points? The laws aren’t for leaving trolleys in the car park but for taking them away from the shopping precinct. Nothing to worry about, the trolleyologists will still have a job, you won’t get fined for leaving it next to your parking spot.

housebound 10:16 pm 27 Feb 11

OK, let’s get a bt of sense into this debate. Don’t you all know that it is illegal to leave your kids in the car at any time? So what do you do?
– Don’t shop at Belco mall – try Kippax, Jammo or Kaleen (all cheaper and much easier parking)
– wherever you shop, leave your kids in the trolleywhile unpacking it, return trolley, remove kids, return to the car with kids – this is hard with a baby and a toddler OR
– do your shopping at night when there are fewer people to compete for good parking, and probably no gestapo to ping you for daring to use a trolley.

LSWCHP 9:04 pm 27 Feb 11

Ryan said :

BlackIce said :

BUT if I’m knocked down in the carpark and unconcious and nobody knows I’ve got young children in the car, how do you think the children would fare then?

And don’t forget about meteors. They could knock you out too. Just because they have to come a little further doesn’t mean it can’t happen..

This is simply irresponsible fearmongering. Any Rioter who has studied a spot of astrophysics (as most of us have) would know that the probability of a meteor surviving intact through the heating caused by atmospheric entry is vanishingly small. So don’t panic people. Your sojourns in the carparks of Canberra are pretty much guaranteed to be meteor free.

Ryan 6:31 pm 27 Feb 11

BlackIce said :

BUT if I’m knocked down in the carpark and unconcious and nobody knows I’ve got young children in the car, how do you think the children would fare then?

And imagine if you slipped on a banana peel and bopped your forehead? Or maybe a magpie would fly into the back of your head. BAM! Unconscious.

And don’t forget about meteors. They could knock you out too. Just because they have to come a little further doesn’t mean it can’t happen..

BlackIce 11:55 am 27 Feb 11

Grail said :

JustThinking said :

Why on earth strap them in the car out of the sun or out of the way of dodgey drivers …

Ah, another of those “please steal my car and kidnap my children” types?

Anti theft lock which hooks around steering wheel then clutch. Key for which is on my person, not dangling from the keys in the ignition.

And in response to #28 – no my children won’t combust in 30 seconds bd84 (although considering sometimes you can be parked several aisles away and at opposite end from the nearest trolley return, 30 seconds would be a bit optimistic). BUT if I’m knocked down in the carpark and unconcious and nobody knows I’ve got young children in the car, how do you think the children would fare then?

bd84 7:30 pm 26 Feb 11

There is no excuse for not returning your trolley, this includes having a child with you. Your child is not going to magically combust while locked in the car for the 30 seconds it takes to walk the 10 metres to the trolley bay.

I really do hope the rangers set up shop in the city and write fines for all those lazy students who think it is beyond them to carry the 4 bags of shopping in their 2 hands instead of wheeling a trolley and dumping it wherever they wish.

screaming banshee 11:39 am 26 Feb 11

wildturkeycanoe said :

What kind of utopia does screaming banshee live in?

Kaleen, bitches

JC 8:57 am 26 Feb 11

Felix the Cat said :

Another excuse for the supermarkets to overcharge us.

Ahh see this is the trick, you see in the interest of competition all supermarkets except Coles and Wollies are exempt. So yes will see prices in these two establishments rise, thus making it relatively cheaper to shop at the (so called local) supermarkets who contribute a bit of dosh to the local Labor party.

Grail 11:09 pm 25 Feb 11

JustThinking said :

Why on earth strap them in the car out of the sun or out of the way of dodgey drivers …

Ah, another of those “please steal my car and kidnap my children” types?

Postalgeek 10:56 pm 25 Feb 11

We should also fine car manufacturers if one of their models is stolen and used for ram-raiding, as well as knife manufacturers whenever one of their knives is used in a crime.

Shopping trolleys should have the plastic removed from the metal handles, a marked perimeter, and a high voltage shock pass through the handle when it leaves that perimeter.

keepitup 10:54 pm 25 Feb 11

Does anyone really think that the shifty, blow-in bogans who use the trolleys to take their slabs of Bundy & Coke back to their single-mother girlfriend’s place (which was allocated to her on subsidised rent because she has two kids by two different blokes, neither of which is the current one) will give a rat’s arse about these laws? There’ll be no enforcement.

wildturkeycanoe 10:31 pm 25 Feb 11

Blackice – I’m with ya. What kind of utopia does screaming banshee live in?
1. Finding a spot near trolley bays. Well, try finding a spot – period – on a busy day at Belco Mall.
2. Finding some ground where the trolley doesn’t roll across the road [great design having inclining ground in a shopping center carpark and no handbrake to stop the trolley].
3. Yeah, make the shopping trip more fun by taking your kids to the trolley bay and then having to cart them all the way back after you’ve just lifted up to 50kg of groceries into the boot. Like anyone needs all that extra exercise!
4. “Screaming banshee” – how does a 3 year old unpack groceries from the trolley. Must have big genes in your family. The only things they help to move that can’t be damaged by dropping is packets of chips, cereal and maybe toilet paper. But hey, you can throw that in the boot yourself without looking out for distracted children who drop said toilet paper that just ruptured from the flimsy packaging, and now dash down across the steeply inclining roadway whilst another irritated shopper reverses out from behind you unaware of the 2 foot high, who does not wear a reflective vest legislated as mandatory for the staff that pick up the trolley you could have left for them to return. How can you supervise this activity without fear of peril to the youngsters?
Ding! It just occurred to me. More fines, less wages…..it’s win win for shopping centers and the government.

screaming banshee 10:14 pm 25 Feb 11

Spykler said :

‘Takes reasonable steps to ensure a trolley is not removed’- such as?

I’d suggest the use of a system whereby you deposit a coin to retrieve a trolley is what they had in mind.

I just don’t get this nanny state argument, would you prefer people could do whatever speed they felt like all the time with no repercussions, that people should be free to litter and leave trolleys wherever they feel like. Face it, laws are written for the lowest common denominator, if the community as a whole didn’t speed/litter/dump trolleys then we wouldn’t need these laws.

Its not a nanny state, its a nanny community always expecting someone else to wipe your arse.

JustThinking said :

Yeah, after all if you only shop once a week the extra 15minutes in the sun and heat won’t bother the kids at all.

So what you’re saying is they should either spend 15 minutes in the heat of a car that has just prior been roasting in the sun, or that you sit them in their with the aircon running sucking down the fumes that are pouring out the exhaust and straight in through the back??…wont somebody think of the children!!

As for the danger issue, have you thought of pushing the trolley down between the cars, or heaven forbid reversing into the spot so you can load between the cars. The next logical ‘grasping at straws to blame someone else for my laziness’ argument will be that the other cars are parked to close.

I presume by the comments here that people only seem to do their grocery shopping at Westfield on a Saturday morning during the heat of summer. I’m also curious to know how Blackice manages to load a kid into the car while stopping the trolley rolling away but stopping the trolley from rolling away while standing at the trolley is infinitely more difficult. And how does it take anyone 15 minutes to unload a trolley, even if that includes walking it back?

KaptnKaos,

The laws are about making those responsible for the blight of dumped trolleys financially accountable for their actions, because up until know clearly ethics, morals and common sense have proven insufficient. And I’m not sure you’d be happy either if the govt only ever tackled one issue at a time until that was 100% solved and then moved on, nothing would ever get done so stop your whinging.

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