Tuggers teen assaulted at school

Agitators are ‘bigger’ than Veteran Rioters.

Wanting to go back to Veteran status is like asking “Delete at least 1000 of my comments please, Jb”

I have been here over 3 years and yet to get (back) to vetaran rioter status.

For some reason I was, then I wasn’t, and now I’m still not.

justbands said :

To be fair to Mr Barr, didn’t he just say exactly what a lot of you are saying? ie. That they learn the violence/bad behaviour from their parents. That is, that it’s a wider problem in our society as a whole, rather than a specific school bullying issue. Rather than washing his hands of the issue, could it be that he’s actually admitting there’s a bigger problem that this is one part of? Perhaps not…but still, maybe.

If their parents go and assault another person then they may find themselves being charged and the consequences that may result from that. The bully students seem to be able to act without consequences that might encourage them to think about their actions. Give the schools and teachers the power to act and discourage bullies otherwise you are only training future criminals where the cycle will continue when they breed.

And with that post I become a Veteran Rioter! And a belated thanks to JB for taking me out of moderation last week.

Skidbladnir said :

*notices some mission creep in BerraBoy’s group*

Hey Skid. I know this is OT (sorry JB) but just wanted to respond to your post: ‘yes’ and ‘No’. The focus of Time For Healing ACT is primarily where it must be at this point in time, on helping the victims of sexual abuse at Marist and Dara from the early 70’s though 90’s. There is a lot going on at the moment that I am not able to discuss publically but those in the group will receive an update e-mail today.

That said, since starting the group I have received several e-mails from victims of sexual and physical abuse at other ACT schools and these are being assisted as best we can. It has also been suggested by a couple of MLA’s that the groups ‘mission’ should be expanded to assist all victims of sexual abuse at ACT schools. Basically, if I could get funding to run the group full-time to help all ACT victims I most certainly would. But noting that is unlikely to happen, I’ll just do what can be done with the limited resources I have available to assist those from Marist and Dara. I won’t turn anyone away though where they can be helped – even if it’s just to put them in touch with a counsellor.

Possibly more importantly, the path we are taking in relation to Marist and Dara may well have flow-on effects that would assist all other victims of sexual abuse in the ACT.

Cheers

Berra

They are standing up for the downtrodden.

It is ridiculous that more isn’t being done about this situation. Get the perps OUT of schools, and into somewhere where they aren’t hurting people who aren’t complicit in being hurt. round them up and put them together somewhere. Why shoudl their rights be more important than the rights of the kids they’re targetting?

I don’t care about their rights, or their rehabilitation. They’re criminals.

*notices some mission creep in BerraBoy’s group*

Hi Berra Boy, have just emailed you (I added an “e” to your email address though).

Pris

misspris said :

farq said :

give me so much confidence in the public school system.

Am I right in thinking, at least with private schools the bully is expelled?

No, unfortunately someone will probably have to be killed before this child is expelled. Nice huh? I think they think they can “redeem” this kid but I’d say it’s already too late. She threatened to have my child stabbed last week. Sad thing is, I believe she’d do it.

Misspris – Can you name the school? While it’d be good to shame them here I’d also be interested given my role in Time For Healing ACT. While we’re mainly dealing with the sexual abuse of students at Marist and Daramalan, I’ve also been contacted by victims at other schools around the ACT. I’d be interested in getting the name of the school just to see if it’s one of the one’s already on our radar as having failed their students. If you don’t want to name them here, please contact me seperately at timforhealingact@gmail.com

farq said :

give me so much confidence in the public school system.

Am I right in thinking, at least with private schools the bully is expelled?

No, unfortunately someone will probably have to be killed before this child is expelled. Nice huh? I think they think they can “redeem” this kid but I’d say it’s already too late. She threatened to have my child stabbed last week. Sad thing is, I believe she’d do it.

BerraBoy68 said :

Perhaps we can kick our campaign off with a group meeting in the Woollies carpark at in Dickson, that sounds like fun.

Careful not to bend over, though. You might lose your ring.

Granny said :

Oi!! Powerless, my fat aunt! I would just say, ‘Sic ’em Sir BerraBoy68!’ and they’d be toast!

Too right granny. I’ve started getting fit again, just in case our rebellion comes off.

Perhaps we can kick our campaign off with a group meeting in the Woollies carpark at in Dickson, that sounds like fun.

give me so much confidence in the public school system.

Am I right in thinking, at least with private schools the bully is expelled?

As the parent of a 13 year old child who spent an hour on the phone to the police last week, I’m hearing you! It seems like the school can’t, or won’t, do anything about the situation so if it means that I have to take out an AVO against said child and therefore make it impossible for her to attend the school then I will. That’s how frustrated I’ve become with the Catholic school system. I really do think that the school’s duty of care is to my child and other girls at the school – not the repeat offender.

To be fair to Mr Barr, didn’t he just say exactly what a lot of you are saying? ie. That they learn the violence/bad behaviour from their parents. That is, that it’s a wider problem in our society as a whole, rather than a specific school bullying issue. Rather than washing his hands of the issue, could it be that he’s actually admitting there’s a bigger problem that this is one part of? Perhaps not…but still, maybe.

The comment from Andrew Barr

We will eliminate violence and bullying in schools only when we eliminate violence and bullying in society.

It sounds like he has given up on the issue. Our children have the right to a safe school environment as much as adults have the right to a safe workplace. Can we please have a minister who shows some commitment to upholding these rights ?

I like the idea of bonds having to be posted by the parents of these bullies, bonds forfeited to the school should the kid re offend. Sanctions on benefits should also be considered where the parents are unemployed.Exclusion from school is often the only sanction available to schools, and as has been stated the kids often treat these as holidays, I would suggest a “boot camp” style school for those excluded from mainstream schooling, but I think the PC brigade may balk at that..

Donewrong: the 16 lane highway concept is not the preferred transport option put forth by the RiotACT junta.

Canals and light rail. It’ll work I tell you.

Oi!! Powerless, my fat aunt! I would just say, ‘Sic ’em Sir BerraBoy68!’ and they’d be toast!

what these “kids” are doing is criminal. God knows what happens to the victims, how do they get over such sustained, vicious attacks? Being followed to a new school and set up by these criminal networks, it beggars belief.

The people doing this need to be dealt with by law. It’s gone beyond a school issue. If the worst they can do is suspend or expel, clearly more needs to be done.

this crap has got to stop. What do these little criminals go on to become after school, I wonder? The likes of the people who smashed up teh Qantas hall in Sydney today?

It’s got to stop.

Donewrong for Chief Minister.

Oh the stories I could tell you from last year….but I’d lose my job.

I went to a pretty rough highschool myself (in NSW). I imagine we would have some cracker stories between the two of us.

After reading the comments in this and the Wanniassa death thread, and the perpetual ones in the court/police threads, I have been sitting here trying to imagine what Canberra would be like if there was a coup d’etat by Riotact posters.

They would probably put up Granny as a beloved but powerless figurehead, whilst in the meantime organising public beheadings and limb removals for first-time offenders. All public art would be destroyed and 90% of government spending would be allocated to building magnificent 16 lane highways that would allow you to travel from Gungahlin to Conder in 43 seconds. The other 10% would be spent on establishing a team of bureaucrats to come up with new critques of the concept of ACT self-government. The bullshit Gold Coast comparison is running pretty thin.

The problems in such a case are many but in all honesty, but to my mind people wathihg and filming this is almost worse than the crime itself. You have to ask yourself would you jump in if you saw a person being bashed?

I did at the Woden bus interchange about 5 years ago when a kid (about 15) punched an inspector in the face, the bloke hit back and within seconds about 20 more more kids came out of nowhere to beat the bloke to the ground, where he also received several kicks to the head. Everyone else sat and watched and I have to say I don’t hold the women or other kids present accountable at all, but the other blokes around could have helped. When I got this bloke to his feet I ran him to the other end of the interchange as fast as we could go with punches raining on us. Cops arrived quickly but of the many kids involved they only picked up one (incidentally, he was the only non-indigenous kid involved) and he was apparently released that night with a caution.

In short, what punishment is there these days for these idiots.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Why can’t the matter be referred to the Police?

It apparantly has been.

http://afp.gov.au/media_releases/act/2009/police_investigate_school-girl_assault,_chisholm

But as all the people involved are probably underage, we will probably never hear if anyone is charged.

VY, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

The only reason the school is named to the public is because the parents spoke to the Canberra Times.

Oh the stories I could tell you from last year….but I’d lose my job.

Why can’t the matter be referred to the Police? With a bit of planning and support I reckon the Police could organise a program to put the frighteners up some of these bullies good and proper. In my experience, fear is the only thing the bully responds to.

Sad for the bully, but I think the rights of the victim come first.

Sounds like the Minister is throwing his hands in the air and saying its too hard to solve.

How about things like “encouraging” the parents of “difficult” children to take an interest by making them pay bonds to have their kids in school, and forfeit these when they muck up – $1000 they can’t spend on smokes, drugs, plasma TVs or whatever their vices are might focus their attention on their spawn’s behaviour.

behaviour units were useless. It was a means to get these kids away from everyone else, but create a zoo of misfits where no learning took place. The kids still went back to their ‘home’ school, where they practiced what they learnt with all the other ratbags. these days there are Behaviour management consultants, which (some) are just as useless.

I agree that bullies need tougher consequences, and it does need to involve their parents. Trouble is, alot of these bullies learn their best techniques from the parents!!! There is no ownership of their behaviour, either by the kids or parents. They dont see what they do as a problem. There is no point trying to discipline these kids when they dont think they are in the wrong.