Two green ministers, sitting on the wall?

johnboy 29 October 2008 70

As predicted by your’s truly the Canberra Times is reporting that the Liberals have found it in their hearts to offer two ministries to the Greens in exchange for the keys to the kingdom.

The Greens seem to be holding out for ministerial levels of resources (read that as well paid jobs for supporters and party members who are in turn required to tithe their income back to the Party) without the need to do the unpopular things that ministers from time to time must do (read that as closing schools):

    “Earlier in the day, Ms Hunter said the issue of ministries would not be the primary issue in negotiations.

    There seems to be this big focus on ministries, where I think the discussion we would be having is more about the role of the Greens in the Assembly and down to the tin-tack issues of resourcing”


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Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 2:34 pm 31 Oct 08

Perhaps they’ve been a teensy bit busy? Meredith was supposed to be on Ross Solly’s political panel this morning too, but begged off after having been at it until 12.30am.
I reported a 404 error when trying to subscribe to the ACT media releases and it hasn’t been fixed yet. Leaves you only with the option of getting the whole country’s releases.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 2:28 pm 31 Oct 08

While on the topic of Greens, why doesn’t their website seem to carry Caroline Le Couteur as a banner member?

poptop poptop 2:10 pm 31 Oct 08

Damn these teeny tubes. Sorry!

poptop poptop 2:09 pm 31 Oct 08

Sheesh – Tough crowd.

Okay, they could maintain a majority in Cabinet with 3 Greens. Keep Caroline as either speaker or to go on all the committees.

Anyhow sorting through the speaker being elected before the CM is a simple logic problem; which I will leave as an exercise for the class to solve.

I don’t see why having a Green CM is more of a problem than having them change alliegance whenever they like.

poptop poptop 2:08 pm 31 Oct 08

Sheesh – Tough crowd.

Okay, they could maintain a majority in Cabinet with 3 Greens. Keep Caroline as either speaker or to go tn all the committees.

Anyhow sorting through the speaker being elected before the CM is a simple logic problem; which I will leave as an exercise for the class to solve.

I don’t see why having a Green CM is more of a problem than having them change alliegance whenever they like.

caf caf 1:40 pm 31 Oct 08

(Well, far from the only problem…)

caf caf 1:39 pm 31 Oct 08

The only problem with poptop’s plan is that the Speaker is elected before the Chief Minister.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 1:21 pm 31 Oct 08

So you mean, go with the Zugzwang plan? 😛

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 1:01 pm 31 Oct 08

Deadline for tonight’s media is rapidly approaching. Given Meredith Hunter promised an announcement by the end of the week, does this mean we should be hearing something within the next 2 hours?

Re: poptop’s idea – that would be interesting to try out!

poptop poptop 9:30 am 31 Oct 08

As the poll was declared on the 29th, not much longer to wait.

I still reckon the Greens should put up Meredith for Chief Minister and see which of the major parties crumble first. They can have 4 of the 5 ministerial positions, the other one and Speaker can go to their partner party.

That would be an interesting test of cabinet solidarity!

imhotep imhotep 8:54 pm 30 Oct 08

The Greens are never going to join the Libs, but you can’t blame the Libs for having a bit of fun.

They have nothing to lose, and every time they up the ante it puts more pressure on Labor. I reckon the Liberals should offer the Greens two ministries AND the choice of selecting the Chief Minister. It might give the Greens an idea…

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BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 7:30 pm 30 Oct 08

Numerically speaking, I think that with Labor holding (Please note my spelling Thumper!) 7 seats to the Lib’s 6, the Green’s should go with the majority vote. I’m tired of this taking 2 weeks.

All the Lib’s have going for them is that Pratt has gone and Steve Doszpot is in. I’ve known Steve since I was a a kid and ever though we stand on opposite sides politically, he is one of the best and most ethical blokes you will ever meet. If only Smythe went I’d be happy.

thetruth thetruth 5:22 pm 30 Oct 08

It was probably “not at all” – nothing would scare a green more than having to do something and be accountable for the consequences. Which is why they will not enter into a coalition.

PM PM 1:01 pm 30 Oct 08

He probably said “we govern not at all” 🙂

(And I know I’m about to be corrected by Johnboy, given his earlier sourjourn to the coast…)

robbi64 robbi64 12:56 pm 30 Oct 08

lol. yep PM, when the minders start “strategising” the message, you oughta know you are about to be led down the garden path, around the back fence, up the middle of the clothes line area … and there ain’t no guarantee of a bbq at the end. 😉

thetruth, i suspect the greens see themselves as offering a real alternative, unlike (say) the nationals. so yes, they would be nutso to go into coalition with anyone. bob brown has previously been heard to say “we govern alone or not at all”, although i can’t remember where i was when i heard him say it …

thetruth thetruth 10:31 am 30 Oct 08

The greens would be nuts to go into coalition with any (although I would like them to choose labor so that they can destroy each other)

PM PM 10:16 am 30 Oct 08

Oh no! Strategy in politics! We’re doomed!

robbi64 robbi64 9:37 am 30 Oct 08

i hesitate to counter the argument as i am only a newbie here, but astro’s idealism deserves a salute. i wish i could go along with you, i really do, but i can’t.

the problem, to my mind, is that i’ve not seen any evidence to suggest zed is all that moderate. the argument that he has put since the election, that the liberals’ result wasn’t a similar punish to that of labor, doesn’t wash with me. a swing away from your party, when the environment was hostile to your opposition, is not a win but a message you need to work on yourselves. yet zed would have us think otherwise, judging by his public comments.

shades of howard’s way, astro? that’s what bothers me, anyway. i scent strategy at work, and it can’t be a strategy that is meant to serve the people of the territory if it involves misleading them.

btw, someone asked if the tasmanian liberals are just as whacky as the act liberals. yes. they can hide them more easily down in tassie. they have a whole area all to themselves, where they even have their own regional daily. this is the same area that also gives us christine milne, if you had ever wondered why she gets so charged up.

housebound housebound 9:23 am 30 Oct 08

Astro makes a good case +1

The last time the Greens held the crossbench, with the highly-respected Kerrie Tucker, Labor did what it wanted anyway. For example: http://www.envcomm.act.gov.au/soe/2003actreport/responses03#2003.10

astrosapien astrosapien 7:18 am 30 Oct 08

Gungahlin Al said :

A good case mounted astro.

Who knows? A productive working relationship with the the Greens could also lead to a moderation of some of the young Liberals’ more fundamental stances?

That’s exactly it… Aside from what we saw during the election campaign a lot of what has been mounted against Zed Seselja is purely speculation based on his religion and his party affiliation… He may suprise a lot of people and prove to be capable of being more moderate than people give him credit for, especially with a tidy Green influence there to keep things in check.

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