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Update to “Tharwa Bridge IS safe…”

asp 25 September 2007 32

(a comment from j dawg inspired some designs)

The top design is representative of the overspending on arguably under utilized bike paths and how oftenbike riders are put first at the expense of motorists. Not a day goes by when a cyclists in the Lanyon Valley isn’t cycling on a road not 10m from a proper bike path.

The bottom picture is the solution to the Tharwa bridge saga and the costly ACT Prison project. Work in progress.

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32 Responses to Update to “Tharwa Bridge IS safe…”
OpenYourMind2 8:31 pm 25 Sep 07

asp, sorry for putting words in your mouth.

Vic Bitterman, thankyou for your intelligent rebuke :-)

Vic Bitterman 9:24 pm 25 Sep 07

LOL OpenYourMind2... glad to see you saw through my tirade :-)

asp 9:52 pm 25 Sep 07


no, but then again, I can't think of any where where a bike path runs parallel to the road for any distance shorter than 100m-300m. Furthermore, I cant think of any footpath that is only 20m in length, or even less than 100m in length.

Thumper 8:11 am 26 Sep 07


at any time did I criticise cyclists.

that would be a no....

I've already stated my views on cyclist elsewhere on RA and couldn't be bothered repeating them.

Ralph 8:51 am 26 Sep 07

OpenYourMind comes out of the woodwork, once again, to shrilly lecture us (in our free society) about the supposed perils of car ownership, and how bikes can deliver us to utopia.

Stop spluttering your bad economics about peak oil as well son.

For your info too, the Northwest Passage has previously been crossed in 1903, 1942, 1944 and and 1969. Golly! You do realise that if the Northwest Passage becomes navigable on a regular basis that this will be a boon to the global economy? Much like the opening of the Panama Canal.

Maelinar 9:22 am 26 Sep 07

In China, you are only allowed to ride your bike every second day.

OpenYourMind2 5:25 pm 26 Sep 07

Oh, Ralph! Surely you are joking. Being happy about economic opportunities offered by the polar ice cap melting is like a man finding out about his terminal cancer being happy because he doesn't have to save superannunation any more!

The difference between now and previous passages of the North West is that it is going to be permanently accessible without the use of specialised ships in parts of the year.

And Maelinar, China used to be self sufficient in oil. They, like Australia, are a net importer. USA now imports 3/4 of their oil because their production has peaked and demand has continually grown. If China ends up using per capita oil at the same rate as the US, they would need 13 Saudi Arabias to supply them.

And that's why making bicycle access easier is important everywhere - even on the Tharwa bridge!

asp 5:46 pm 26 Sep 07


bikes won't solve the oil crisis the looms. Alternative fuel for vehicles will. Sure, bikes are good for small trips, but I'm not pedaling to Bateman's Bay. Nor is the UPS guy going to pedal around Canberra delivering stuff.

OpenYourMind2 7:08 pm 26 Sep 07

Bikes and a cycling culture can make a big difference. Of course, it takes much more than just getting people on bikes. Instead, we are heading down the American model where our cities are built with a car culture in mind. People can't easily just walk down to the shops or have the kids ride to school.

The problem with alternative fuels is that they aren't really a true alternative, if they were, entrepreneurs would be leaping in to make a buck.

Biofuels are substituting food production for fuel production. Hydrogen, fuel cells, pneumatic cars etc. are simply storage systems. Fuel is still burnt somewhere else before the energy can be stored. Renewables such as wind/solar/wave/geo are all good, but don't pack the required punch on the scale we need.

That just leaves nukes as a main contender. Nuclear power is only an option if you are prepared to borrow from the infinite future. How do you think the generation 25 on from ours is going to feel about dealing with our waste?

I promise that's the last I say on the topic and I apologise for digressing so far from the original bridge topic.

asp 7:37 pm 26 Sep 07

Hydrogen is a friggin alternative.

"The problem with alternative fuels is that they aren’t really a true alternative"

The what is a true alternative if the alternatives aren't really alternatives? Don't say it's cycling. Cycling won't get you to Sydney as fast as a Boeing 737 or even the XPT.

OpenYourMind2 10:13 pm 26 Sep 07

Alright, I'll throw one more comment in because I wasn't clear. I meant the 'alternatives' aren't viable alternatives.

Hydrogen while being technically a fuel source, we use it as a storage mechanism. We don't sink a hole in the ground and mine hydrogen. We have to expend a whole bunch of energy to produce hydrogen. The hydrogen then can be stored and used later by various technologies.

My point was that we still need the energy source in the first place to create the hydrogen. So you haven't really solved the energy problem with hydrogen, you've just moved the problem upstream. Of course if you can produce hydrogen efficiently with minimum pollution then you will indeed have a viable alternative.

Maelinar 11:32 am 27 Sep 07

OYM2 - why did you attribute my comment to China being self sufficient in oil ?

On the Chaser they call that a Sedgeway, and you just did one.

Don't use me to prop up your soap box, as I'm likely to walk away.

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