27 April 2011

Upgrade plans for Majura Avenue and Phillip Avenue intersection

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Minister for Planning Andrew Barr has tweeted the URL for plans to upgrade the intersection of Majura and Phillip avenues.

To date the intersection has distressingly required drivers to exercise skill and judgment and it’s easy to see why that must be remedied.

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nicnacvb said :

billbo said :

Finally, I found out why it’s taking so long to build this intersection: Molecular Concrete!

http://ca.nberra.com/index.php/2011/11/molecular-concrete-trialled-in-majuraphillip-ave-intersection/

It’s not going to be finished til March 2015? Are you kidding me?

Four years for one intersection make the GDE seem quick by comparison.

In another article I read that if they had used molecular concrete, the GDE would not have collapsed.

GBT said :

According to the TAMS website construction is due to be finished by January 2012. No idea where they got March 2015 from.

Thank goodness for that!

According to the TAMS website construction is due to be finished by January 2012. No idea where they got March 2015 from.

Gungahlin Al said :

It has taken a lot of campaigning to get this far. It will be good to see all the NSW and Gungahlin commuters get out of the Hackett back streets and back onto the major streets where they belong.

Yeap, roads are like clubs; you should only be allowed in if you are eligible for membership and have paid your dues. None of this “public good” rubbish.

billbo said :

Finally, I found out why it’s taking so long to build this intersection: Molecular Concrete!

http://ca.nberra.com/index.php/2011/11/molecular-concrete-trialled-in-majuraphillip-ave-intersection/

It’s not going to be finished til March 2015? Are you kidding me?

Four years for one intersection make the GDE seem quick by comparison.

Finally, I found out why it’s taking so long to build this intersection: Molecular Concrete!

http://ca.nberra.com/index.php/2011/11/molecular-concrete-trialled-in-majuraphillip-ave-intersection/

Thoroughly Smashed3:59 pm 28 Apr 11

Sgt.Bungers said :

Hopefully drivers heading North on Philip Ave, towards Dickson College, will exercise caution as they sail through the intersection with complete right of way, and no roundabout island to slow them down. I foresee crashes due to mindlessness.

Presumably only those drivers who have never used an intersection before in their lives…

Gungahlin Al said :

Why the plans don’t show it I do not know, but it is supposed to be a fully signalised intersection. That was the budget announcement last year.

You’re looking at one sheet from a set of design drawings. Stop lines are shown, signal lanterns aren’t because those usually appear on a different sheet.

shadow boxer1:25 pm 28 Apr 11

Gungahlin Al said :

shadow boxer said :

If it has lights and you can still turn left from the slip lane on to Majura wouldn’t people still rat run ?

The design is right, but traffic lights will kill it for everyone.

Easily balanced out by having a long right turn arrow, and short west-bound green – enough for the locals but not enough to be bothered rat-running.

IMO the same thing could have been achieved with a west-bound give way sign, with $1m saved, but I lost that one.

Yeh that could work, agree your second point as well

cobberas63 said :

Keijidosha said :

After the expensive fight put up by ‘Save the Ridge’ over the GDE I’d imagine Stanhope would be reluctant to kick-start any work on Monash Drive. The local NIMBYs made enough stink to veto a proposed dragway on the other side of the mountain, and I’d imagine the noise they would make about Monash Drive could be heard from Belconnen.

Yes; the local NIMBYs have a good deal more $$$ to back them than the poor bastards along Bruce Ridge who now have a noisy smelly ugly freeway in place of bushland and bird calls… that’s if they still have their house after paying out their legal fees.

Boo hoo, those poor whinging NIMBYs on Bruce Ridge. Those people are responsible in large part for screwing up the whole GDE. Did they have legitimate noise complaints? No, they didn’t. Has the GDE expansion made any difference to them? I doubt it very much. I have no sympathy for them if they are still paying off legal fees.

Keijidosha said :

After the expensive fight put up by ‘Save the Ridge’ over the GDE I’d imagine Stanhope would be reluctant to kick-start any work on Monash Drive. The local NIMBYs made enough stink to veto a proposed dragway on the other side of the mountain, and I’d imagine the noise they would make about Monash Drive could be heard from Belconnen.

Yes; the local NIMBYs have a good deal more $$$ to back them than the poor bastards along Bruce Ridge who now have a noisy smelly ugly freeway in place of bushland and bird calls… that’s if they still have their house after paying out their legal fees.

abc said :

…how nice is it having Antill street closed. Wish it could be permanent.

Ditto

BicycleCanberra8:30 am 28 Apr 11

Another poorly designed intersection for Cyclists and pedestrians , where the cyclist will have to dismount at the crossing of slip lanes and Pedestrians have more than two lanes of traffic to cross. Though the rule at T intersections like these, the Pedestrians have’ right of way and cars must give way’. Yeah like that happens at the time,not!

georgesgenitals said :

rescuedg said :

Cant believe that no one has mentioned the hilarious resemblance to female genitalia.(Textbook view of course).

It IS a C*** of a corner.

LOL

Gungahlin Al5:40 pm 27 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

If it has lights and you can still turn left from the slip lane on to Majura wouldn’t people still rat run ?

The design is right, but traffic lights will kill it for everyone.

Easily balanced out by having a long right turn arrow, and short west-bound green – enough for the locals but not enough to be bothered rat-running.

IMO the same thing could have been achieved with a west-bound give way sign, with $1m saved, but I lost that one.

shadow boxer4:35 pm 27 Apr 11

If it has lights and you can still turn left from the slip lane on to Majura wouldn’t people still rat run ?

The design is right, but traffic lights will kill it for everyone.

Gungahlin Al said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

It’s no roundabout… but at least it’ll eliminate the right of way currently given to rat runners through Hackett, instead giving it to the rat runners of Antill Street (who at the moment assume the road is closed to all except them).

Those who actually live in Hackett may have fun attempting to turn left into Majura Ave of a morning… time will tell.

Hopefully drivers heading North on Philip Ave, towards Dickson College, will exercise caution as they sail through the intersection with complete right of way, and no roundabout island to slow them down. I foresee crashes due to mindlessness.

Next… A Hackett/Ainslie bypass from Antill Street near Prime, down to the War Memorial, will eliminate the need for defence workers to head through these suburbs of a morning/afternoon. Full duplication of Fairburn would also help 🙂

Why the plans don’t show it I do not know, but it is supposed to be a fully signalised intersection. That was the budget announcement last year.

It has taken a lot of campaigning to get this far. It will be good to see all the NSW and Gungahlin commuters get out of the Hackett back streets and back onto the major streets where they belong.

Motorists are like electric currents – they always take the path of least resistance. If the local government is too incompetent to manage the flow of traffic on major roads (and evidently, they are), then traffic is going to spill over onto previously quieter roads. That’s life.

Yes it will have lights.. Pans have been on ACTPLA for over a month now.. Submissions closed.. And how nice is it having Antill street closed. Wish it could be permanent. But its great fun watching the cops book all those rat runners through Hackett at the school zone.

georgesgenitals2:40 pm 27 Apr 11

rescuedg said :

Cant believe that no one has mentioned the hilarious resemblance to female genitalia.(Textbook view of course).

It IS a C*** of a corner.

colourful sydney racing identity2:34 pm 27 Apr 11

rescuedg said :

Cant believe that no one has mentioned the hilarious resemblance to female genitalia.(Textbook view of course).

I think your school needed better textbooks…

Cant believe that no one has mentioned the hilarious resemblance to female genitalia.(Textbook view of course).

After the expensive fight put up by ‘Save the Ridge’ over the GDE I’d imagine Stanhope would be reluctant to kick-start any work on Monash Drive. The local NIMBYs made enough stink to veto a proposed dragway on the other side of the mountain, and I’d imagine the noise they would make about Monash Drive could be heard from Belconnen.

Gungahlin Al1:41 pm 27 Apr 11

Holden Caulfield said :

I thought all plans for Monash Drive had been scrapped?

Nope. It was part of the agreement with the Greens, and ACTPLA has asked the NCA for it to be de-gazetted, but the NCA said there needs to be 1/ a substantive consultation about it, plus 2/ clear demonstration that the city’s traffic network could cope without it.

For my money, there’s no way that the ACT Government could guarantee #2 without a serious overhaul of transport and public transport on the northside (read: light rail).

And until such time as the ACT Government did get serious about it, GCC would have no choice but to oppose the removal of Monash Drive most strongly.

Holden Caulfield1:27 pm 27 Apr 11

cobberas63 said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

Next… A Hackett/Ainslie bypass from Antill Street near Prime, down to the War Memorial,

…aka Monash Drive, you mean? It’s only a matter of time, and that will be the end of prime real estate in Hackett, Ainslie and Campbell.

I thought all plans for Monash Drive had been scrapped?

Gungahlin Al1:01 pm 27 Apr 11

Sgt.Bungers said :

It’s no roundabout… but at least it’ll eliminate the right of way currently given to rat runners through Hackett, instead giving it to the rat runners of Antill Street (who at the moment assume the road is closed to all except them).

Those who actually live in Hackett may have fun attempting to turn left into Majura Ave of a morning… time will tell.

Hopefully drivers heading North on Philip Ave, towards Dickson College, will exercise caution as they sail through the intersection with complete right of way, and no roundabout island to slow them down. I foresee crashes due to mindlessness.

Next… A Hackett/Ainslie bypass from Antill Street near Prime, down to the War Memorial, will eliminate the need for defence workers to head through these suburbs of a morning/afternoon. Full duplication of Fairburn would also help 🙂

Why the plans don’t show it I do not know, but it is supposed to be a fully signalised intersection. That was the budget announcement last year.

It has taken a lot of campaigning to get this far. It will be good to see all the NSW and Gungahlin commuters get out of the Hackett back streets and back onto the major streets where they belong.

Sgt.Bungers said :

Next… A Hackett/Ainslie bypass from Antill Street near Prime, down to the War Memorial,

…aka Monash Drive, you mean? It’s only a matter of time, and that will be the end of prime real estate in Hackett, Ainslie and Campbell.

It’s no roundabout… but at least it’ll eliminate the right of way currently given to rat runners through Hackett, instead giving it to the rat runners of Antill Street (who at the moment assume the road is closed to all except them).

Those who actually live in Hackett may have fun attempting to turn left into Majura Ave of a morning… time will tell.

Hopefully drivers heading North on Philip Ave, towards Dickson College, will exercise caution as they sail through the intersection with complete right of way, and no roundabout island to slow them down. I foresee crashes due to mindlessness.

Next… A Hackett/Ainslie bypass from Antill Street near Prime, down to the War Memorial, will eliminate the need for defence workers to head through these suburbs of a morning/afternoon. Full duplication of Fairburn would also help 🙂

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