Violence in ours schools? Or hysterical reporting.

Thumper 19 July 2007 14

To start with, I think violence is deplorable.

However, the canberra Times is reporting that we appear to have an epidemic of violence assaults in our schools system. Indeed, an assault every two days.

Now I have no doubt that violence has increased in schools from when I went to school. However, I have to wonder if it is as bad as suggested, or is it that more of it is reported? And are reasonably trivial matters now being reported as major assaults?

When I was at school blues were pretty common, in fact at least one a week and yes, I happened to be in quite a few of them. This is violence, and yet, it was never reported but left as a simple school yeard brawl in which the two protaginists were dealt with either by in school suspension or by a caning, later you would get a chance to do each other over on the footy field or in a boxing ring. (And yes, I do realise that there is a vast difference between schooling these days and when I went to school)

[ED (Ntp) – The Lib’s Vicki Dunne has put out this press release on the issue.]

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14 Responses to Violence in ours schools? Or hysterical reporting.
dungfungus dungfungus 6:33 pm 29 Jul 17

I agree with everything in the OP. It was a mistake to dispense with corporal punishment and schools now even reward the losers by giving everyone a prize.

There is no way things will change now so the best way to deal with the problem is to be prepared for it. Some people may find this suggestion repugnant but this is 2107 not 1957.

pierce pierce 10:30 am 20 Jul 07

I find the current hype about students using camera phones and YouTube in their violence a little strange.

I can see the argument that asks whether the rise of fame culture (reality tv etc) is making students act more violently for attention/notoriety but I think we do need to look at whether violence has actually increased or if it is just reported better now.

Frankly, if little Johnny or Shazza are dumb enough to document their crimes for the world to see, then all power to them for making it that much easier to bust them.

Blaming teachers (or technology) does seem to be missing the point – personal responsibility of students and parents.

(And yeah, rising sexual assaults is a big concern)

As for character forming – hmm, I think there are other, better ways to do this.

noodle noodle 9:36 pm 19 Jul 07

Andrew Barr’s comments about parents taking responsibility for their children’s behaviour are completely spot on, while Vicki Dunne’s comments that the government is responsible, should somehow magically fix things, and that parents don’t have any responsibility, are idiotic comments. We’re pretty relaxed with our kids, but don’t tolerate swearing at adults, fighting and other bad behaviour at home. But we’re amazed at the number of parents who do. We’ve had kids here who seem to have no boundaries set on them at home and seem to think its ok to fight, swear, spit food and throw household objects that don’t below to them. Yes, I think violence and bullying in schools in a problem and yes, I think we all as a community have a role to play in doing something about it.

VicePope VicePope 7:27 pm 19 Jul 07

Before we start thinking it’s an epidemic, let’s think about what we don’t know. We don’t know a baseline – what is the history of incidents of school violence. We don’t know whether, if there is an increase, whether it’s an increase related to greater willingness to report or to an increasing in events warranting reporting. We don’t know whether the threshold for what is worth reporting has remained stable over the period for which records have been kept. We don’t know how Canberra’s performance stacks up against similar jurisdictions.

It’s worth talking about when we have something to talk about. Impressions don’t count, anymore than good old unreliable common sense.

Jey Jey 7:13 pm 19 Jul 07

The number of sexual assaults bothers me.

Ntp Ntp 4:41 pm 19 Jul 07

The Lib’s Vicki Dunne has put out a press release on the issue which I linked to at the bottom of the main post.

nyssa76 nyssa76 3:44 pm 19 Jul 07

Mr. Evil, nah it’s the “you’re a fat bitch” then the “I’m gonna slap you”, then the “bring it on!” and off we go.

Most fights are started over BS.

Some are started over racist comments or sexist comments or just because the kid doesn’t like the person.

But I do find it interesting that 59 occurred in Govt schools and 58 in Non-Govt. It seems to me that parents in the ACT are paying copious amounts of money for the same level of violence – if we are led to believe that violence in Govt schools is the main reason parents send their kids to Non-Govt achools.

Now just remember folks who has to break these fights up the next time the anti-teacher nazi’s abuse the teaching profession.

Mr Evil Mr Evil 2:06 pm 19 Jul 07

It’s character forming!

Absent Diane Absent Diane 1:41 pm 19 Jul 07

F*ck yeah! -hehe if only reality was as interesting as my head wants it to be!

Although nowadays calling someone “fat arse”, “dork” or “sissy” is probably classed as violence at school. agreed and it is sad- how on earth are people going to develop any sort of resiliance if they don’t cop a bit of shiz at school..

Mr Evil Mr Evil 12:52 pm 19 Jul 07

Although nowadays calling someone “fat arse”, “dork” or “sissy” is probably classed as violence at school.

Thumper Thumper 12:49 pm 19 Jul 07

F*ck yeah!

Absent Diane Absent Diane 12:40 pm 19 Jul 07

yeah I don’t wonder whether the nature of them is changing though.. the odd brawl its all part of being an animal determining pecking order etc and more – nothing wrong with the odd brawl.

But you just seem to hear more and more in the media that quite obscene acts and violent crimes are being committed by people at suprisingly young ages.

I think it is because kids are getting access to highly detailed information earlier (internet) – and their brains haven’t developed yet in a manner that can handle it properly.. so it’s just a phase of human development I am sure.. we just need to learn how to deal with it.. I am not one of these anti-violent movie / music / game people – I think perhaps we need to put more emphasis on teaching kids that in reality this behaviour isn’t acceptable.

The only time it is acceptable will be if hostile ET’s come down and try and impregnate our bitches with there weirdo crossbreed dna.. then we can blow them to bits and wave our american flags proudly!! You will regret fcking with us!!

VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt 12:07 pm 19 Jul 07

Fights have always happened in schools. It’s just because of a few recent incidents that this is getting some focus (which is a good thing).

neanderthalsis neanderthalsis 11:31 am 19 Jul 07

What the article doesn’t go into are the nature of the incidents.

Schools are often faced with parents coming onto school property and assaulting other students or teachers, students themselves assualting teachers, random attackes from kids at toher schools and general hayhem from the little darlings themselves.

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