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We have master plans for a revolution in Canberra’s Stadiums Stadia

johnboy 28 May 2009 43

[First filed: May 26, 2009 @ 21:09]

Online at the moment there’s just a light page from Canberra Stadium and a similar one from Manuka Oval.

But what I can gather is that today the Stanhope Government jumped the shark, as all Government’s do, and turned its thoughts to colosseums.

As far as I can tell the plan is to scrap most of the stands at Manuka and convert the oval to community use with some seating.

The existing Canberra Stadium would be converted into an oval for cricket and AFL.

And then they’d build out at Bruce a new 40,000+ rectangular stadium planned to host major games feeding out of the Sydney market.

They’re still calling for comment on this radical vision but feel free to express your views below.


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Chop71 5:35 pm 11 Jun 09

Bruce Sports sensational idea. Make the Rugby/League/Soccer stadium with a rectractable roof to keep out the Canberra cold.

We have enough “National” Museums/Libraries/Arts/Gallaries etc and very poor sports venues for a nations capital.

RodneyUppercut 10:32 am 03 Jun 09

I’m all for converting bruce into a oval for cricket afl use, its perfect for that but I think we should really look at elsewhere if the rectangular stadium is going to be built. I think that northborneoval in braddon would be the perfect place to build the stadium, close to the city and public transport options, plenty of special events parking on streets in ainslie and turner and it would actually get people into the city, something civic deparately needs. There is plent of space for a multi level carpark on the site also.

And manuka should be kept as is, for local cricket and rugby.

astrojax 4:07 pm 28 May 09

i read something else related in the age footy site today about the afl looking at having the west sydney franchise they envisage at some stage in the next few years sharing canberra as a home venue, on the hawk’s launceston model. the swans of course are jacking up – rightly so i guess – as this infringes on ‘their turf’, with their reserves in the actafl and them already also having a few hitouts here trying to build support…

looking like we could get a lot of great new stadia if this grows and we get the world cup (which, btw, i am pretty convinced we will) and so likely also then [and hopefully anyway] an a-league team. noice.

tuggers 11:44 pm 27 May 09

Aussie Rule…Aussie Rules
mybad

tuggers 11:38 pm 27 May 09

Where is the replacement 25,000 seat stadium at Phillip?

Yes, now the ground is ready for Aussie Rule or Cricket. There is plenty of parking; and is on the bus routes. Two stands were demolished over the years and have not been rebuilt.

Pandy 6:30 pm 27 May 09

Where is the replacement 25,000 seat stadium at Phillip?

bren 5:09 pm 27 May 09

MrMagoo said :

OH and BTW Bren, I’ve represented this country at two World Championships and two Paralympic Qualifiers, so I think my passion is doing OK too thanks.

Congratulations on you’re achievements. I normally look up to athlete’s… people who normally have such positive frames of mind to achieve, sometimes the seemily unachievable. But you’re just so negative…

Anyway, with your background competing professionally you obviously understand the need to have a positive frame of mind. Personally at this current point in time, I am grateful that the driving forces behind our bid are more positive than yourself; even if you have done some work on the process. I also doubt very much, that Mr Lowy would put so much personal work into an event which he thought Australia had no chance of winning.

The point I will continue to make, is that I think its best we put in a professional bid, which includes plans to increase the capacity of Canberra Stadium.

Bren’s option: We bid – we either get it or we don’t;
Mr Magoos’ option: We forget about it because its a pipe dream;

Yes the FIFA World Cup is the biggest single sporting event in the world and luckily, FIFA and the IOC are too different groups and the voting process and politics are different. Also luckily the biggest growth market and growth television market is based in East Asia.

“I miss 100% of the shots I don’t take.” (Wayne Gretsky)

Anyway, we will find out next year.

johnboy 4:53 pm 27 May 09

Plus the rise of China and India make ours an ever more attractive time zone.

caf 4:35 pm 27 May 09

It seems to me that the TV people care about timezone, so longitude, and not so much about the latitude.

“Never again in Australia” would apply equaly well as “Never again in Japan”.

MrMagoo 3:55 pm 27 May 09

OH and BTW Bren, I’ve represented this country at two World Championships and two Paralympic Qualifiers, so I think my passion is doing OK too thanks.

MrMagoo 3:53 pm 27 May 09

Well Bren I’m not going to get into the I know you are I said you are, however, rest assured mate that I have had a bit to do with the process so I’m ok with my stance.

Also having worked in the Sport and recreation indsutry for 15 years 10 of them in the publci sector I again think I can talk fairly confidently on the issues here. Suffie to say that netowrk television execs told the IO after Sydney that never again should they take this showpiece event so far away from ‘mainstream’ television broadcasting hubs. Last time I checked, the FIFA World Cup actually attracts more viewers than the Olympic Games so I’ll rest it there I think.

bren 1:50 pm 27 May 09

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MrMagoo said :

bren said :

MrMagoo… this project is reliant on a successful WC bid, because without a successful bid it would be extremely hard to justify the expense. Even for a mad sports fan like myself. If Australia does not win the world cup, then they shouldn’t do anything at the moment. But what is wrong with planning? Isn’t it good to see the Government actually thinking long term for once?

I totally agree that more money could be spent on health & education infrastructure. But once again, we are only really going to get money from the Federal Government if we win the WC bid… and they are only going to give us this money to use it upgrade stadium facilities.

Finally, in relation to winning the world cup bid. Well you don’t really have an understanding on how FIFA works do you? The success of the FFA bid, really relies on the success of the FFA convincing the AFC to support its bid (rather than China etc). Australia is part of the Asian market, we are in a time zone which is friendly for the big East Asian markets (the biggest growth market in Football and a market which FIFA is looking to exploit and expand). Since the 2018/2022 world cup’s will be announced at the same time, and we can safely assume that one of those cups will go to Europe, with the 2014 cup in Brazil, 2010 in South Africa – it really leaves Asia or North America. Finally, do not underestimate Frank Lowy’s ability.

I am by no means saying that Australia will get the world cup… it will be a challenge! But to say we have no hope is not true.

Anyway, dream a little… it will be good for you.

Well Bren I do understand how it works as I am employed in the Federal govt’s Sport Section, think I’ve got a good handle on the whole thing actually.

Well Mr Magoo, maybe you should consider resigning… cause you’re obviously not passionate enough to be advance Australia’s sporting interests. Anyway, as a fellow public servant, I understand that just because I work for a Deparment, it doesn’t mean I know everything about that Department. If you write back that you work for FIFA or the AFC – I will conceed 🙂

Anyway, forgetting that… I have found that the ‘why bother, we don’t have chance’ approach doesn’t achieve anything in life.

MrMagoo 1:30 pm 27 May 09

bren said :

MrMagoo… this project is reliant on a successful WC bid, because without a successful bid it would be extremely hard to justify the expense. Even for a mad sports fan like myself. If Australia does not win the world cup, then they shouldn’t do anything at the moment. But what is wrong with planning? Isn’t it good to see the Government actually thinking long term for once?

I totally agree that more money could be spent on health & education infrastructure. But once again, we are only really going to get money from the Federal Government if we win the WC bid… and they are only going to give us this money to use it upgrade stadium facilities.

Finally, in relation to winning the world cup bid. Well you don’t really have an understanding on how FIFA works do you? The success of the FFA bid, really relies on the success of the FFA convincing the AFC to support its bid (rather than China etc). Australia is part of the Asian market, we are in a time zone which is friendly for the big East Asian markets (the biggest growth market in Football and a market which FIFA is looking to exploit and expand). Since the 2018/2022 world cup’s will be announced at the same time, and we can safely assume that one of those cups will go to Europe, with the 2014 cup in Brazil, 2010 in South Africa – it really leaves Asia or North America. Finally, do not underestimate Frank Lowy’s ability.

I am by no means saying that Australia will get the world cup… it will be a challenge! But to say we have no hope is not true.

Anyway, dream a little… it will be good for you.

Well Bren I do understand how it works as I am employed in the Federal govt’s Sport Section, think I’ve got a good handle on the whole thing actually.

AG Canberra 12:52 pm 27 May 09

Check out the artists impression in the paper – apparently in the future we’ll all be 5m tall! Those people mingling on the outskirts of the stadiums are all freaks….

bren 12:43 pm 27 May 09

Mred – Yes, Australia V Italy is being played there next week. First Wallabies test in many a year. Italy is at best, a second rate team… A larger stadium, should allow the ARU to bring better opposition and better crowds (unlikely to ever be a Bledisloe game or anything).

bren 12:38 pm 27 May 09

MrMagoo… this project is reliant on a successful WC bid, because without a successful bid it would be extremely hard to justify the expense. Even for a mad sports fan like myself. If Australia does not win the world cup, then they shouldn’t do anything at the moment. But what is wrong with planning? Isn’t it good to see the Government actually thinking long term for once?

I totally agree that more money could be spent on health & education infrastructure. But once again, we are only really going to get money from the Federal Government if we win the WC bid… and they are only going to give us this money to use it upgrade stadium facilities.

Finally, in relation to winning the world cup bid. Well you don’t really have an understanding on how FIFA works do you? The success of the FFA bid, really relies on the success of the FFA convincing the AFC to support its bid (rather than China etc). Australia is part of the Asian market, we are in a time zone which is friendly for the big East Asian markets (the biggest growth market in Football and a market which FIFA is looking to exploit and expand). Since the 2018/2022 world cup’s will be announced at the same time, and we can safely assume that one of those cups will go to Europe, with the 2014 cup in Brazil, 2010 in South Africa – it really leaves Asia or North America. Finally, do not underestimate Frank Lowy’s ability.

I am by no means saying that Australia will get the world cup… it will be a challenge! But to say we have no hope is not true.

Anyway, dream a little… it will be good for you.

MrMagoo 12:23 pm 27 May 09

A hell of a lot of this is continugent on Australia successfully bidding for a World Cup in Football (Soccer for those that refuse that tag). Can I say, not in a million years will the FFA be successful in bedding for this showpiece international sporting event. Ever since Sydney 2000, the international media has cast doubt on any further major events ever being played this far away from major media markets ie. Europe, Asio and the Americas. Forget the WC its a pipe dream at best.

And being a sport nut i can’t believe I am saying this, but the money spent on this infrastructure could easily and better spent on health and education, to name two far more worthy outlets. Eitehr that or upgrade the community facilities so that the Raiders, Wallbies, Socceroos etc. of tomorrow have somewhere half decent to learn their skills on rather than dustbowls.

mred 12:14 pm 27 May 09

I believe Wallabies Vs Italy?? is about to be played at Canberra Stadium. That should draw a fair crowd.

bren 11:55 am 27 May 09

Overall I like parts of this idea – build the new stadium in Bruce, but why not just make it a permanent 40,000 seat stadium? Sure it will cost more to maintain and the Brumbies / Raiders will rarely fill it (maybe for Brumbies finals), but the Waratahs & Roosters never fill the SFS and it hardly detracts from the atmosphere. A well designed, well built stadium, will have a good atomsphere. Thats the problem with ANZ, its only good when its full, whereas Suncorp is just a well-built football ground.

A 40,000 seat stadium, will also allow for Canberra to host yearly international events like the Socceroos & Wallabies. At the moment the FFA / ARU cannot bring top quality games to Canberra due to lack of seating and corporate facilties.

If we go for a 26,500 seat stadium and then increase capacity temporarily for big events, having to convert the stadium to larger capacity will cost too much and subsequently make Canberra Stadium uncompetitve compared to interstate alternatives.

Anyway, part of hosting bid international events like the World Cup, is building infrastructure that wouldn’t otherwise be built… which benefits the community in the longer-term.

Convert the current Canberra Stadium to cricket/AFL ground as planned.

Leave Manuka alone, or downsize it just a little. Therefore it still keeps it heritage feel.

Then enhance the Business Park etc around Bruce (Ofices, Hotel & more apartment residential) to provide on-going income to help run the stadium.

Gungahlin Al 11:42 am 27 May 09

Andrew Barr has responded to my comment on Facebook with the following:

“We currently have two venues – Canberra Stadium and Manuka Oval – one is rectangular and one is an oval. The question is should we consolidate both on to one site so we can invest in one precinct, provide one set of transport infrastructure and consolidate hotels, entertainment, cafes, clubs and other sporting infrastructure on the one site.

“The … Read moreLang Park model is exactly what we are looking to do with transport. It used to be that 70-80% of spectators used their car to go to matches. Now it is more like 10-20%.”

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