5 January 2012

Welcome to the neighbourhood... Screaming neighbours and what to do about them?

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So let me get this straight. When your neighbour’s have a pesky barking dog that doesn’t shut the hell up, you have some options. There are phone numbers to ring & people who listen & document your complaints, websites & forums with helpful suggestions, organisations such as bark busters who will come to the house, rspca will intervene if they think the animal is being mistreated or ultimately if nothing else works, you can send a piece of bait over the fence mushed into a juicy bit of steak.

What in God’s name do you do when its not the dog that’s the problem, but the horrendously dysfunctional family that NEVER stops screaming abuse at each other. After a string of phone calls & police call outs, it is clear that the cops have no power to do anything, DOC’s have no interest in allocating a case worker to the poor unfortunate children who are subjected to abuse from morning til night (in this case 1am – although I have to say, they can give it almost as good as they get) & it’s virtually impossible to have them removed through Housing ACT.

The swearing is simply intolerable, my interstate visitors are mortified after hearing the soundtrack to our life & I find it incredibly disturbing that my own children have adapted so well they no longer even seem to be affected by it, which I guess is a good thing?

I’d move, but just like there is a bully in every classroom, there is a housing commission property in every street in this town so is it a case of better the devil you know? I know there are good housing families, but sadly they seem to be the exception & not the rule. What do you do?!

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You may as well sell up and move elsewhere. Housing ACT won’t be doing anything soon to help you. A couple of notices to vacate and a couple of trips to ACAT won’t stop the problems. Tenants know how to play the game so they won’t be getting evicted.

The Antichrist6:24 pm 08 Jan 12

Sarni said :

The reason that this situation is continuing is that the principles of urban warfare have not been applied

agree 100%.

Back in the day we called it ‘Urban Counselling’ – an approach that had immediate and sustained effects. Shitheads moved out, calm and tranquility restored to the local area, all residents happy and nobody was actually harmed during the entire process.

Too many bleeding hearts around these days though, that blame everyone except the actual perpertrators of the noise. Funny thing is, if the shouty family were actually confronted by the entire street shouting back at them to SHUT THE F#$K UP during a shouty episode – you would find that the Shouty’s might just take the advice. To do nothing though – just encourages them to shout louder & longer.

My guess is that the parents are just products of their enviroment who have never been tought or have seen any better from their own parents and the kids have no choice but to become products of their enviroment….so I suggest instead of wingeing is to put away your valuables away for a little while and invite the kids over (cause the parents are probabley a lost cause) for a nice dinner with your own kids so they can actually experience and learn to respect people who actually want to genuinely show them some respect…… if only someone would of done that for the parents you probably wouldn’t have this problem today KILL ‘EM WITH KINDNESS!!!

The reason that this situation is continuing is that the principles of urban warfare have not been applied.

Waiting For Godot5:21 pm 06 Jan 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

johnboy said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”

Where and when did John Laws say this?

Some evidence from 2004:

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-77482-p-2.html

Are there any mainstream media articles attributing the quote to him? I know it is a fave of the Amercian right, but I have no recollection of him saying it.

As far as I know, it was first said by David Oldfield, former One Nation party associate of Pauline Hanson on an anti-Muslim website called Muslim Terrorists, set up in the wake of September 11 2001. John Laws on his radio show recommended the website and pinched the quote from there.

johnboy said :

And like all poitical parties I’m sure they had great fun writing their own wikipedia entry.

Sinn Fein were the political wing of the IRA and their leadership had most definitely been involved in bombings, shootings, and bank robberies to finance their activities.

I’m not going to get down in the weeds of the long sad violent history of irish national struggle.

But if you don’t think they were terrorists (complete with training in Libya back in the day with *gasp* muslims) then you’re delusional.

By that yardstick that the US Republican party would also be terrorists.

colourful sydney racing identity4:51 pm 06 Jan 12

johnboy said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”

Where and when did John Laws say this?

Some evidence from 2004:

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-77482-p-2.html

Are there any mainstream media articles attributing the quote to him? I know it is a fave of the Amercian right, but I have no recollection of him saying it.

you’re hardpressed to find anything online from that era.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”

Where and when did John Laws say this?

Some evidence from 2004:

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-77482-p-2.html

colourful sydney racing identity4:28 pm 06 Jan 12

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim”

Where and when did John Laws say this?

SocialHandGrenade3:59 pm 06 Jan 12

spiderinsider said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind – It seems clear to me “Not all housing tenants are sociopathic neighbours, but all sociopathic neighbours are public housing tenants”. And congratulations Violet, you are doing a great job confirming my theory. Please go ahead & continue to stereotype yourself into a corner. Your doing an awesome job.

JohnBoy, how do I block idiot posts & serial pests on RiotAct like I can on Facebook??

The idiocy of the John Laws quote aside, out of interest how do you know they are public housing tenants? We have some pretty offensive neighbours over our back fence. Lots of swearing and arguing at all hours of the day and night leading to us deciding not to put our baby son in the back bedroom to avoid him having to listen to it. They’re not public housing tenants, but rent from a real estate agent. Sure it’s a sample of one, but I think your comment about sociopathic neighbours might be as accurate as John Laws’ on terrorists.

Having said this, I cam empathise that it’s a crappy situation, and I hope that perseverance with the police and social services will pay off for your sake and their kids’.

Yeesh! It was just a random quote. And you’re right. It was silly. It’s caused more problems than its worth, upset a lot of people & sent my thread off into a really weird tangent. I’m sorry. *holds head in hands*

Of course there are non-muslim terrorists in the world, people in my own family easily fit the criteria. And of course there are sh!tty non-housing neighbours, but the difference there is, usually the landlord actually cares who rents their property & you can deal directly with the owner/property manager/real estate agency who don’t quite have the same red tape to cut through & genuinely don’t want problematic tenants to deal with & there is a financial incentive to ensure the property & area in general retains its value. I know. I was a property manager & I now own a tenanted investment property. There are numerous ways to expel a person from a privately owned rental property if they are a nuisance or not looking after the house/yard. For some stupid reason bad tenants in housing are untouchable & protected from consequences of their actions.

Further to that, to answer your question about whether I’m sure they are housing… yes I am. The teenage daughter from the previous relationship who was pregnant at the time engaged herself into a full police stand off requiring the street to be blocked off. Prior to her being dragged away cuffed in a paddy wagon, for some reason, they actually gave her an opportunity to express what her problem was. Loud enough for the whole neighbourhood to hear, she wailed how unfair it was that her mother & stepfather charged her $40 a week to live with them, which fully covered the weekly rent, so therefore the parents ought to be kicked out of the property cause it was actually her paying the rent & they were living rent free *sigh* $160 a month for a 4 bedroom ensuite home worth around half a million dollars. My mortgage is $900 a week. Living the dream.

I have rung housing & spoken to the area manager, she is doing inspections soon & will raise the issue of noise complaints & unhappy neighbours with them & also keep an eye out regarding my concerns of the children. I will also lodge a formal complaint to back it up. I have rung child services, the lady I spoke to assured me she would be passing the file to her senior manager & have my details to call me if they need any further clarification. Fingers crossed they will soon be allocated a case worker. The local police whole heartedly assured me that ‘no one’ down at the station will think of me as a serial pest even if I ring them daily as they are well aware of the family & know they are trouble. The policeman I spoke to knows the children well, assured me they are ‘tough-skinned’ & its only a matter of time before they become the police’s problem as they will never be functioning member of society. How reassuring. Not much more I can do really. 90% sure I witnessed a drug deal yesterday but I’m torn between making their life difficult or just trying to mind my own business & concentrating on my own sheltered existence. Really don’t enjoy peeking through curtains, feeling like I’m Mrs Mangel & calling the cops for any little reason.

Amanda Hugnkiss. A thousand times – Thankyou. You understand me. You understand what I’m dealing with. I appreciate that so much.

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Funny that.

I can’t remember breaking into anyone’s house, stealing their stuff or raping them.

But as a white male I know I must be at fault somehow. Sorry.

You’ll get over it.

I am

Now get back to work ppl

Amanda Hugankis said :

+ Eleventy-billion.

chewy14 said :

Funny that.

I can’t remember breaking into anyone’s house, stealing their stuff or raping them.

But as a white male I know I must be at fault somehow. Sorry.

You’ll get over it.

Funny that.

I can’t remember breaking into anyone’s house, stealing their stuff or raping them.

But as a white male I know I must be at fault somehow. Sorry.

colourful sydney racing identity1:43 pm 06 Jan 12

Chop71 said :

NoImRight said :

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

F@#$% off

We said “Sorry”

Now get over it

So, someone can come into your house, take what they want to, kill who they want to, rape who they want to, say sorry and then you will ‘get over it’?

Amanda Hugankis1:31 pm 06 Jan 12

Siiiiiigh. Why should the OP have to be the one to ‘manage’ the issue for those that can’t manage themselves? Sounds to me that they have so far done what makes reasonable sense in terms of reporting the situation to whoever might need to know and can take action on the behalf of all involved. But you suggest they could do more? In fact you seem to infer that if they do not, they’re somehow not worthy of living in the community because their expectations of suburban peace and quiet are somehow unreasonable?

Violet68 you are full of suggestions for all the work and time that the OP could further invest JUST SO they can live peacefully in their own home. There is no acknowledgement from Violet68 that perhaps … just perhaps … the ‘shouty’ family should take a small amount of personal responsibility for their impact on others should THEY wish to live in the community with everyone else. Allowing for the fact that they might not be as capable in this area as others for whatever their reasons may be, I still can’t stomach the idea that everyone else in the community should take more responsibility for helping them through their problems and being considerate of others than they themselves must take … how does that help them long-term?

Apparent violence and abuse aside in this situation, if the ‘shouty’ family wish to be shouty, why don’t THEY opt to move to the country, where they can be as shouty as they please without imposing on others in the community? Violet68 – why should it ONLY be up to everyone else to tolerate, be considerate of, make efforts, put their minds to coming up with solutions and suggestions, walk a mile in shouty shoes, and so on and so forth, just to live in their homes without fear or a reasonable level of peace (yes, fear – you do seem educated enough to realise that violence does have an affect on the mental health of those that have to witness/hear it within a neighbourhood)? Where is the acknowledgement that the shouties should be making their own attempts to avail themselves of the services you propose the OP should be letting them know about (let’s ignore the fact that these services are sadly overstretched and that DCVS won’t just ‘send someone round’ on a snap! … oh if only they could … they’re over-run and unable to handle any more on their plates as it is)?

I am accused by most of my own friends and family of being too much of a bleeding heart and allowing too much benefit of the doubt in a lot of cases. Violet68 I guess that’s all you’re trying to do also … but in this situation, ‘tolerating’ such a situation does not benefit anyone short or long term. Indeed, it sounds like the OP is fairly tolerant so far … and is looking for solutions that don’t mean they take on having to solve problems for other families. Tolerance is one thing, but its not a bottomless pit and if I had kids of my own forced to listen to a family like that every night as they go off to sleep … I’d find the fact that I could not protect them from having to be exposed to that more upsetting than anything. Where are their rights to peace in their own home?

poetix said :

Mully.
Or should that be El Mully?
Or even O’Mully?

Mullywood.

Mully.
Or should that be El Mully?
Or even O’Mully?

Chop71 said :

NoImRight said :

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

F@#$% off

We said “Sorry”

Now get over it

So it’s okay if I kill your children and rape your wife … just as long as I say sorry afterwards?

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones says: “The only possibilities I could think of are (a) ingrained bigotry (b) basic lack of numeracy and comprehension skills (i.e. stupidity).

My money’s on (c) all of the above.

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

“6% of terrorists are Muslims.” How on earth could you possibly mistake that for “6% of Muslims are terrorists”?

The only possibilities I could think of are (a) ingrained bigotry (b) basic lack of numeracy and comprehension skills (i.e. stupidity).

My money’s on (c) all of the above.

Where is (c) Mr. Jones?

You’re not exactly the sparkliest penny in the fountain, are you?

Chop71 said :

NoImRight said :

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

F@#$% off

We said “Sorry”

Now get over it

Hey dont let completely missing the point stop you making such cogent arguments.

Jim Jones says: “The only possibilities I could think of are (a) ingrained bigotry (b) basic lack of numeracy and comprehension skills (i.e. stupidity).

My money’s on (c) all of the above.

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

“6% of terrorists are Muslims.” How on earth could you possibly mistake that for “6% of Muslims are terrorists”?

The only possibilities I could think of are (a) ingrained bigotry (b) basic lack of numeracy and comprehension skills (i.e. stupidity).

My money’s on (c) all of the above.

Where is (c) Mr. Jones?

Stevian says: “To inject a little balance to your senseless bigotry. Sinn Fein/IRA, Bader Meinhof, Red October, as far from being Muslim as you can get, but certainly terrorists.
laims: ”
Well, the Bader Meinhof gang spent a lot of time training with the PLO in the Middle East and also participated with them in the Entebe massacre. I am not sure but I think the PLO were Muslims also – I could be wrong you know because there are a lot of apologists for them around. Maybe the PLO were not terrorists either. You say “senseless bigotry”; I say “facts”

johnboy said :

HenryBG said :

JohnBoy,
From Wikipedia:
Sinn Féin …is a left wing, Irish republican political party in Ireland….Sinn Féin is currently the second-largest party in the Northern Ireland Assembly…..

Anti-Irish or anti-Catholic bigotry together with a bit of ignorance would be the reason for labelling them with a “terrorist” tag. They aren’t. Simple as that.

And like all poitical parties I’m sure they had great fun writing their own wikipedia entry.

Sinn Fein were the political wing of the IRA and their leadership had most definitely been involved in bombings, shootings, and bank robberies to finance their activities.

I’m not going to get down in the weeds of the long sad violent history of irish national struggle.

But if you don’t think they were terrorists (complete with training in Libya back in the day with *gasp* muslims) then you’re delusional.

+ eleventybillion. They were bad Mo fo’s.

NoImRight said :

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

F@#$% off

We said “Sorry”

Now get over it

I prefer the word “gunman”. It better describes a person that asserts his power through the use of a gun. There are all kinds of gunman, but they generally have in common, that they kill civilians at a greater rate than they kill fellow gunman. The greater your exposure to gunman the greater the risk. From a civilian perspective all gunman terrorise.

Gunman will tell you all kinds of lies. Its the “gun” that makes you believe.

HenryBG said :

JohnBoy,
From Wikipedia:
Sinn Féin …is a left wing, Irish republican political party in Ireland….Sinn Féin is currently the second-largest party in the Northern Ireland Assembly…..

Anti-Irish or anti-Catholic bigotry together with a bit of ignorance would be the reason for labelling them with a “terrorist” tag. They aren’t. Simple as that.

And like all poitical parties I’m sure they had great fun writing their own wikipedia entry.

Sinn Fein were the political wing of the IRA and their leadership had most definitely been involved in bombings, shootings, and bank robberies to finance their activities.

I’m not going to get down in the weeds of the long sad violent history of irish national struggle.

But if you don’t think they were terrorists (complete with training in Libya back in the day with *gasp* muslims) then you’re delusional.

johnboy said :

HAHAHA

“Sinn Fein aren’t terrorists if it helps me make bigoted accusations!!!”

Best one I’ve heard in ages.

+1

johnboy said :

HAHAHA

“Sinn Fein aren’t terrorists if it helps me make bigoted accusations!!!”

Best one I’ve heard in ages.

JohnBoy,
From Wikipedia:
Sinn Féin …is a left wing, Irish republican political party in Ireland….Sinn Féin is currently the second-largest party in the Northern Ireland Assembly…..

Anti-Irish or anti-Catholic bigotry together with a bit of ignorance would be the reason for labelling them with a “terrorist” tag. They aren’t. Simple as that.

HenryBG said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

As far as I know, nobody has done that in my country, although it sounds suspiciously like what the Taliban did in Afghanistan.
I would especially like to see your further apologism for their lovely habit of throwing acid in girls’ faces (or machine-gunning them) in order to dissuade them from getting an education.

If there is any other politico-religious group which has as its stated aim the setting-up of a world-wide government based on depraved religious laws and as its stated method the indiscriminate use of violence against the unarmed, I’d like to hear about them.

As far as I know, Sinn Fein are a political Party and not a terrorist group; the IRA’s aim was to throw the Brits out of Ireland and end the form of apartheid the Brits had instituted against them making the “terrorist” label a political one and not a factual one; ditto Mandela and his marxists with the Boers; and genuine terrorist groups such as Bader-Meinhof and the Red Brigades are long-gone from the world scene.

Disingenous much? Not suppoting one form of terrorism doesnt in turn mean supporting another.The Taliban have a twisted version of Islam. Distorting and propagandising others potential actions to justify our own is a game the west has owned for sometime. If we dont have an enemy to fear how can Governments (US in particular) protect us from them? Its no coincidence the same rhetoric is used now about terrorists was used about the USSR.

Not agreeing with recent actions isnt the same as supporting either the Taliban or any terrorists. However we should look at the real reasons we have terrorists now more than ever. Cliches and dehumanising them is not a solution.

Remember when you look into the abyss….

HenryBG said :

NoImRight said :

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

As far as I know, nobody has done that in my country, although it sounds suspiciously like what the Taliban did in Afghanistan.

I thought he was talking about Americans.

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

As far as I know, nobody has done that in my country, although it sounds suspiciously like what the Taliban did in Afghanistan.
I would especially like to see your further apologism for their lovely habit of throwing acid in girls’ faces (or machine-gunning them) in order to dissuade them from getting an education.

If there is any other politico-religious group which has as its stated aim the setting-up of a world-wide government based on depraved religious laws and as its stated method the indiscriminate use of violence against the unarmed, I’d like to hear about them.

As far as I know, Sinn Fein are a political Party and not a terrorist group; the IRA’s aim was to throw the Brits out of Ireland and end the form of apartheid the Brits had instituted against them making the “terrorist” label a political one and not a factual one; ditto Mandela and his marxists with the Boers; and genuine terrorist groups such as Bader-Meinhof and the Red Brigades are long-gone from the world scene.

HAHAHA

“Sinn Fein aren’t terrorists if it helps me make bigoted accusations!!!”

Best one I’ve heard in ages.

spiderinsider11:05 am 06 Jan 12

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind – It seems clear to me “Not all housing tenants are sociopathic neighbours, but all sociopathic neighbours are public housing tenants”. And congratulations Violet, you are doing a great job confirming my theory. Please go ahead & continue to stereotype yourself into a corner. Your doing an awesome job.

JohnBoy, how do I block idiot posts & serial pests on RiotAct like I can on Facebook??

The idiocy of the John Laws quote aside, out of interest how do you know they are public housing tenants? We have some pretty offensive neighbours over our back fence. Lots of swearing and arguing at all hours of the day and night leading to us deciding not to put our baby son in the back bedroom to avoid him having to listen to it. They’re not public housing tenants, but rent from a real estate agent. Sure it’s a sample of one, but I think your comment about sociopathic neighbours might be as accurate as John Laws’ on terrorists.

Having said this, I cam empathise that it’s a crappy situation, and I hope that perseverance with the police and social services will pay off for your sake and their kids’.

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

Depends on defintions. Id say anyone who comes into my country uninvited, sets up its own Government, shoots civilians at random,imprisons without even a show trial,rapes and robs as it sees fit, is accountable only to itself and hides all actions under a need for secrecy is pretty close. Now who has done that…….?

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

“6% of terrorists are Muslims.” How on earth could you possibly mistake that for “6% of Muslims are terrorists”?

The only possibilities I could think of are (a) ingrained bigotry (b) basic lack of numeracy and comprehension skills (i.e. stupidity).

My money’s on (c) all of the above.

spiderinsider8:48 am 06 Jan 12

Stevian said :

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

To inject a little balnce to your senseless bigotry. Sinn Fein/IRA, Bader Meinhof, Red October, as far from being Muslim as you can get, but certainly terrorists.

+1

Not to mention that the stat is that 6% of terrorists are Muslim (or more accurately, 6% of terrorist attacks on US soil between 1980 and 2005 were by Muslims), not that 6% of Muslims are terrorists.

Jim Jones said :

Not all d***heads listen to John Laws.
But everyone who listens to John Laws is a d***head.

+1

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

To inject a little balnce to your senseless bigotry. Sinn Fein/IRA, Bader Meinhof, Red October, as far from being Muslim as you can get, but certainly terrorists.

Disinformation9:38 pm 05 Jan 12

Violet68 said :

Oh My…..the quality of the posts is decreasing! Tolerance isn’t about inviting people into my home to steal my stuff. C’mon you can’t be serious? Same as the bin lady thing……I put my bin out on collection morning and I am weird……I lock my house and try and prevent opportunity from knockin and I’m a hypocrite? Fark off idiot. This bogan’s extended family is now home and I got some drinkin to do and bins to knock over.

Feel free to b**tch amongst yourselves 🙂

Well, your posts were way up there in terms of quality.

If you’ve ever been in a real community, the community would act as one and present members acting inappropriately with unmistakeable evidence that they ALL disapprove of it.
Shame is a powerful motivator.
A tolerant community can be the sign of cowardice, which is why you apparently won’t tolerate your own home being robbed for “the greater good of one individual”.

Get your ducks in a row or prepare to have them mowed.

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world so I feel somewhat relieved now that you tell me only 6 million are terrorists. It only took about 10 to kill over 3,000 people on 9/11. Yes, there is no problem now, silly me.

cantdance said :

The neighbours over my back fence seem to thoroughly enjoy swearing at their young kiddies. I would think they were all under 10 years old, and at any given time either of the parents are blasting away with F’s and C’s at the poor kiddies. I’ve called Child Protection Services many times, written letters and yet nothing. I don’t give a hoot what goes on between the parents, but screaming at your kids like that is unacceptable.

That’s because CPS don’t give a damn….

As for the police being mandatory reporters, why yes they are. Doesn’t mean they do it all the time. In fact, in my own case, I reported all issues (as I am also a mandatory reporter) and the police did ONE out of a possible TWELVE……YES TWELVE….

And to the OP, I would not confront them, stick anything in their letter box etc. You will make yourself a target….and it isn’t fun, believe me.

“And yes, the wider community does have to tolerate other people. That’s why it’s called a “community”.”

Cool. Violet will now post her address and hours of work. This will show her conviction in tolerating the people who believe in burglary as a means of supplemental income.

Oh My…..the quality of the posts is decreasing! Tolerance isn’t about inviting people into my home to steal my stuff. C’mon you can’t be serious? Same as the bin lady thing……I put my bin out on collection morning and I am weird……I lock my house and try and prevent opportunity from knockin and I’m a hypocrite? Fark off idiot. This bogan’s extended family is now home and I got some drinkin to do and bins to knock over. Feel free to b**tch amongst yourselves 🙂

The Environment Protection Act which deals with excessive noise does not cover noise coming from ‘the body’ which includes shouting.

So unfortunately you have no recourse there.

Disinformation7:32 pm 05 Jan 12

Violet68 said :

And yes, the wider community does have to tolerate other people. That’s why it’s called a “community”.

Cool. Violet will now post her address and hours of work. This will show her conviction in tolerating the people who believe in burglary as a means of supplemental income.

The neighbours over my back fence seem to thoroughly enjoy swearing at their young kiddies. I would think they were all under 10 years old, and at any given time either of the parents are blasting away with F’s and C’s at the poor kiddies. I’ve called Child Protection Services many times, written letters and yet nothing. I don’t give a hoot what goes on between the parents, but screaming at your kids like that is unacceptable.

Jim Jones said :

Not all d***heads listen to John Laws.
But everyone who listens to John Laws is a d***head.

+1

Jim Jones said :

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

Laws is not correct. Nelson Mandella was a terrorist but he has not embraced Islam (yet)

Poor you – really bad luck to have such bad neighbours.
Re the dog, we had a similar situation and Housing weren’t interested (even though public housing tenants are under clear obligations not to disturb their neighborhoods). But you could have better luck if it turns out the dog isn’t registered – often the case with dysfunctional tenants. If that’s the case, Animal Services will move like greased lightning to require your neighbours to register the dog – and the tenants will often find it easier to get rid of it, rather than go through the hoops of payment, microchipping etc.
On loud arguments coming from the property, it’s probably worth writing letters to Housing Minister Burch, emphasising the involvement of children. There doesn’t seem to be a systematic routine of the police informing Housing when they’ve needed to visit public housing properties, so when that happens, it’s worth writing to point this out, saying how this underlines what disturbing things are going on etc. Also, try and persuade other friendly neighbours likewise to write to the Minister. Bureaucracies don’t always but usually respond eventually to squeaky wheels. A bit of media interest, if you can manage that, could be useful.
Good luck!

Violet68 said :

Evan James, to get a giggle out of mushroom on toast jokes at this time is disgusting. I notice you didn’t express any form of sympathy on the tribute thread, just a comment about how fast the poison must work. The family who suffered the recent unexpected loss of their loved ones is in a far more horrible situation than this one. Obviously we don’t think alike (thank the Gods!).

Yep. Troll. And it’s working, you’re getting lots of responses and attention. Aaaand page 5 of the Internet Troll Handbook, insert non seqiteur/red herring to send the topic off course. Tick.

jamiescot said :

Wow, things really escalated!

I know, I killed a man with a trident[/quote

]But do you love lamp?

Wow, things really escalated!

I know, I killed a man with a trident

screaming banshee4:44 pm 05 Jan 12

Where’s CaptainRAAF when you need him, I’m sure he’d be happy to come around and sort it our clint eastwood style*

*assuming clint eastwood is a letter writing softy like the cap’n turned out to be when he had nasty neighbours

to the OP sorry to hear this.

At the end of the day the ACT govt needs to adjust its public housing policy radically. On face value, it seems to harbour and protect those in our community who chose to live a life that is outside the standards our community expects (ie. respect to law, keeping of the peace etc.)

Surely there is a MLA is has the intestinal fortitude to do something out the current policy? Im sure most taxpayers dont want to provide housing for those members of the community with their tax dollars. We have the highest rate of public housing per capital than any other capital city if I did read correctly the other day. A safe labor seat I guess?

Not all d***heads listen to John Laws.
But everyone who listens to John Laws is a d***head.

SocialHandGrenade said :

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind – It seems clear to me “Not all housing tenants are sociopathic neighbours, but all sociopathic neighbours are public housing tenants”. And congratulations Violet, you are doing a great job confirming my theory. Please go ahead & continue to stereotype yourself into a corner. Your doing an awesome job.

JohnBoy, how do I block idiot posts & serial pests on RiotAct like I can on Facebook??

JB my quote button doesn’t appear on the second page, so I am being creative.

Social Hand Grenade to answer your question about blocking……just mention John Laws again and you’ll be sweet 🙂

SocialHandGrenade4:07 pm 05 Jan 12

John Laws classic quote “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim” just came to mind – It seems clear to me “Not all housing tenants are sociopathic neighbours, but all sociopathic neighbours are public housing tenants”. And congratulations Violet, you are doing a great job confirming my theory. Please go ahead & continue to stereotype yourself into a corner. Your doing an awesome job.

JohnBoy, how do I block idiot posts & serial pests on RiotAct like I can on Facebook??

Violet68 said :

Since you sound like an expert on assisting the downtrodden, post your email & I’ll give you the address. Then you can practice what you preach. I’ll be forever grateful if you can counsel them through whatever problems they are having so I can have some bloody peace & quiet for a change

I have posted heaps of contacts and also a way to provide your feedback to Housing ACT. You sound like you’re capable of following those things up, so why don’t you give it a go?

The word bogan is simply a descriptor attached to the anti-social segment of our society.
People who knock over bins fit into this anti-social segment, meaning that they are indeed bogans.

The word bogan is used to describe a particular section of the Australian working class demographic. Most bogans would take offence to being labelled as anti-social just because they are of a “lower socio-economic status” and especially being held responsible for all forms of anti-social behaviour in their community. Your comment also perpetuates division. http://www.bogan.com.au/definition/index.php

While they might not be responsible for all anti-social behaviour, they are responsible for a sizeable portion of it. ‘downtrodden’ is an interesting way to describe them while using it to absolve them of all responsibility for their behaviour. Downtrodden would imply they were victims of circumstance when in fact a large portion of the troublemakers are there purely out of the decisions that they themselves have made and continue to make as well as making a lifestyle out of it.

You seem to be fond of flying the victim flag on their behalf and acting as their pseudo advocate, explaining away their actions and making excuses. Anything but having them accept responsibility for their actions. Being poor doesn’t mean you have a licence to act like an ass.

Violet, the thing that bugs me about you is not your bleeding heart apologism, it’s your seemingly reflexive tendency to assign blame for every problem to the person who first complains about it.

JB that’s not necessarily the effect that I am going for…..

quote: It sounds like you may have some degree of choice about where it is and how it is you choose to live, which gives you alot more choice than most social housing tenants for a start. I don’t know about hugs (although sometimes they are what’s needed) but just a little understanding can go a hell of a long way to creating a peaceful community

How many of the public housing tenants out there (excluding ones that do currently work, have a significant disability, aren’t too old etc) are prepared to do even the most mundane jobs (eg stacking boxes on the shelves at coles etc). Some do, some don’t. I guess it depends whether you’re prepared to pull your own weight to get to where you want to go.

People get fed up with the ones that aren’t prepared to do anything to help themselves and just sit back and bludge off the system and create havoc for others in the process. like the scullin flats cat throwers.

poetix said :

If you’ll excuse a third post, could I just say ‘popcorn’?

lol I can’t help it….I’m bored!

Violet, you’d come across as a lot more sane if you’d learn to use the quote and preview buttons.

Since you sound like an expert on assisting the downtrodden, post your email & I’ll give you the address. Then you can practice what you preach. I’ll be forever grateful if you can counsel them through whatever problems they are having so I can have some bloody peace & quiet for a change

I have posted heaps of contacts and also a way to provide your feedback to Housing ACT. You sound like you’re capable of following those things up, so why don’t you give it a go?

The word bogan is simply a descriptor attached to the anti-social segment of our society.
People who knock over bins fit into this anti-social segment, meaning that they are indeed bogans.

The word bogan is used to describe a particular section of the Australian working class demographic. Most bogans would take offence to being labelled as anti-social just because they are of a “lower socio-economic status” and especially being held responsible for all forms of anti-social behaviour in their community. Your comment also perpetuates division. http://www.bogan.com.au/definition/index.php

You Violet incite much more vitriol in relation to your posts than I will ever create because you have a very narrow, tainted view of life, which in my books is very sad indeed. You should be pitied, not labelled a troll by those you incite to vitriol. I feel you need a hug.

Presenting another side to the story and making suggestions about solutions is creating vitriole now? So it’s OK for you to make a post that incited a whole thread of bogan bashing just because it “p’d you off for a little while?”.
Your comment about me being labelled a troll by those I incite to vitriole makes me lol….What are you saying? That I incite hatred against myself? I have been known to be a bit of massochist at times. I’m always asking my sadistic partner for a hug but he just keeps saying no. We like it like that……like peas in a pod, we are 🙂

If you’ll excuse a third post, could I just say ‘popcorn’?

Someonesmother3:20 pm 05 Jan 12

I never stated tht the bin issue was a life trial, that was a blip on the cosmos of life that only p’d me off for a very short space of time. After all this is the RiotACT where opinions are welcomed about current happenings in “our Community’.
You Violet incite much more vitriol in relation to your posts than I will ever create because you have a very narrow, tainted view of life, which in my books is very sad indeed. You should be pitied, not labelled a troll by those you incite to vitriol. I feel you need a hug.

Violet68 said :

Errr, you posted a thread on having your bins knocked over. I would hardly call that a life trial. Heaps of other people have their bins knocked over or set alight or hidden each week but they don’t sook about it on a public website. You didn’t know WHO it was that knocked your bins over but you happily attributed it to “bogan losers” and implied that bogans are unevolved. In turn, your comments perpetuated a whole lot of “bogan loser” hate on a public website. I’m betting all the bogan loser hate you raised is now reciprocal from any “bogan supporters” who read it. You obviously didn’t learn anything about co-habitating when you lived in your “many places”.

The word bogan is simply a descriptor attached to the anti-social segment of our society.

People who knock over bins fit into this anti-social segment, meaning that they are indeed bogans.

SocialHandGrenade3:12 pm 05 Jan 12

Violet68 said :

It sounds like you may have some degree of choice about where it is and how it is you choose to live, which gives you alot more choice than most social housing tenants for a start. I don’t know about hugs (although sometimes they are what’s needed) but just a little understanding can go a hell of a long way to creating a peaceful community. You create division simply with your misplaced superiority and denigrating terms you use for people you consider to be “beneath you”, so if you want others to take some responsibility for communal peace – practice what you preach.

Correct. I have a degree of choice of where I live. Simply because, (get this!) we focused, worked hard, saved our money & invested in a property. Shockingly, we did all this by taking advantage of all the same opportunities available to everyone in our society who work hard, have a good attitude & pride in themselves. We have never taken the attitude that we are ‘entitled’ to the charity or assistance we could receive if only we chose to sit on our bums at home and collect the dole & head to the doctors & feign a mental illness. Before you have a nervous breakdown over what I’m saying, I’m NOT putting all housing tenants in one basket. Some if not most, are genuinely in need, grateful for the assistance & respectful to the rate paying/tax paying neighbours next door. However, we have all witnessed people milking the system or consciously making terribly bad decisions that have led them directly into their current woeful situations of which they have no one to blame but themselves. Go sit down at your local Centrelink office for half an hour & watch what walks through the doors, majority of them are not incapable of working, it’s their choice not to! Of course they all have a heartbreaking sob story over how bad/sad/dysfunctional their childhoods were, but guess what. Most of us do. I could tell you stories from my life that would make your heart bleed. Someday’s even I need a hug. But my life is different now because I’ve made the CHOICE not to use excuses from the past to justify why I can’t possibly be a functioning member of society. But you can call it misplaced superiority. That’s ok.
Since you sound like an expert on assisting the downtrodden, post your email & I’ll give you the address. Then you can practice what you preach. I’ll be forever grateful if you can counsel them through whatever problems they are having so I can have some bloody peace & quiet for a change.

Errr, you posted a thread on having your bins knocked over. I would hardly call that a life trial. Heaps of other people have their bins knocked over or set alight or hidden each week but they don’t sook about it on a public website. You didn’t know WHO it was that knocked your bins over but you happily attributed it to “bogan losers” and implied that bogans are unevolved. In turn, your comments perpetuated a whole lot of “bogan loser” hate on a public website. I’m betting all the bogan loser hate you raised is now reciprocal from any “bogan supporters” who read it. You obviously didn’t learn anything about co-habitating when you lived in your “many places”.

Someonesmother2:36 pm 05 Jan 12

Oh Violet dear, I feel the only one here with feelings of superiority is yourself. I am the least judgemental person you would ever meet. I have intolerance for people who use their situation as a reason to behave like – well bogans! (Sorry for the over use of the term this week) I have had to survive many trials in my life. I have lived in social housing, in fact I have lived in hospital wards, Ronald Mcdonald house and many other places. I understand living in stressful, cramped conditions with many others from varied social backgrounds and the inherent problems that creates. I have worked hard to get to where I am today and that is no where very special, but like many others I treasure my space and respect other peoples right to a peaceful, safe environment where you can walk out your front door and not be assaulted either by violent arguments or just plain violence. I don’t think this is too much to ask and if you have accepted this as a normal way of living then I really feel sorry for you that that is all you expect out of life.

Must be pleasant to sit in the comfort of your rose coloured life, where nothing ever goes wrong and the perpetrators of crimes and anti social behaviour just need a hug and understanding to make them all better. It is much harder to live in the ‘real world’ and be responsible and actually want a peaceful community like the majority of others do.

Oh it is. I get to deal with social housing problems every day, not to mention a few other “real world” type things. Whether you like it or not, you are not in control of how others live and behave.
It sounds like you may have some degree of choice about where it is and how it is you choose to live, which gives you alot more choice than most social housing tenants for a start. I don’t know about hugs (although sometimes they are what’s needed) but just a little understanding can go a hell of a long way to creating a peaceful community. You create division simply with your misplaced superiority and denigrating terms you use for people you consider to be “beneath you”, so if you want others to take some responsibility for communal peace – practice what you preach.

My suggestion is that you get more of the neighbourhood involved so they will complain as well. The way to do this is record a few of the swearing/screaming sessions and then play them back covertly at 2.00am in the morning through a large power amplifier pointing the sound in all directions except the offenders. Unless other people complain you will end up like a shag on a rock and “the authorities” will treat YOU as a nuisance. Send a recording to every MLA and ask them “would you tolerate this?” and tell them how ineffective the police, DOCS etc. are. Good luck.

I live in a small group of 5 Govt houses, and am a mother of 3 who works full time. 4 of the houses are great, one elderly couple, a mother daughter who are very quiet and another nice couple, there is however one house that is making me and the other tennants sick. They are both adults and he beats her to a pulp and we can all hear it!! Not only that but the deal in drug, so I constantly have traffic and people looking for drugs coming past my house to get to theirs!! And to top it off this week my 8 year old son came running inside informing me there was a syring with a needle on it just near MY DOOR!!!!

I have called housing many times but to no avail! they tell me to call the police, I have also done this many times !! they come, tell them off and then the drug sales commence again!! I hate how the police will NOT DO A BLOODY thing about this! Its disturbing to know that they can sit there and just sell till their hearts content, while we just have to sit back and take it, with kids in the area!

Great work ACT police! 🙁 think I would rather have the just loud neighbours.

P.S Not all ACT Housing tennants are bad you know!!

What a horrible situation. I must say I got a giggle out of the first few suggestions (and can’t being myself to read the utter twaddle by this Violet character who is clearly a troll, no one could seriously think like that).

Evan James, to get a giggle out of mushroom on toast jokes at this time is disgusting. I notice you didn’t express any form of sympathy on the tribute thread, just a comment about how fast the poison must work. The family who suffered the recent unexpected loss of their loved ones is in a far more horrible situation than this one. Obviously we don’t think alike (thank the Gods!).

BTW, I’m not a troll but I did have green fluffy hair once.

Actually, Violet’s got a good suggestion here. Mail various domestic violence, relationship counselling and other relevant paraphernalia anomalously each day you hear them going hammer and thongs at each other. Note down what they say to each other and deliver it back to them. They may just get the hint. Post it to their address in an envelope so you don’t go near their house. Address it to the kids – they might wake up and realise that it’s not ‘normal’ to live with yelling, screaming, aggression and abuse all the time. Why not see if a local charity (like the Salvos perhaps?) will call passed and have a ‘friendly’ chat with them? You just never know…

Violet68 said :

Excuse me for trying to think of ways to co-exist and tolerate each other, but that’s how I roll.

I don’t know about “tolerat[ing] each other”, it seems like the tolerance you’re expecting here is all flowing in one direction.

SocialHandGrenade1:42 pm 05 Jan 12

Someonesmother said :

Maybe the suggestion should be a rural property where the neighbours are kilometres away – in the bush no one can hear you scream……and no one runs down the bleeding bins!

You have no idea how many hours we have spent trawling through Allhomes to find an affordable rural property with a reasonable commute to a decent school for our children & our place of business. Unless you’re happy to drive more than an hour round trip twice a day, you need around a million dollars. Guess we just keep working hard & dreaming big.

Someonesmother1:42 pm 05 Jan 12

Must be pleasant to sit in the comfort of your rose coloured life, where nothing ever goes wrong and the perpetrators of crimes and anti social behaviour just need a hug and understanding to make them all better. It is much harder to live in the ‘real world’ and be responsible and actually want a peaceful community like the majority of others do.

So many of you want to involve gunmen in a civil domestic dispute. They do not have a solution. Gunman only work when they are around and even then, they only maintain “a” status quo.

Sir_Orangepeel1:31 pm 05 Jan 12

SocialHandGrenade, I am so sorry to hear about your situation. I experienced the same thing for when I lived in Sydney some time ago. There was nothing I (or my neighbours) could do after a complete nutjob moved into an apartment in our building and proceded to make life pretty miserable (loud, thumping music at ANY time of day, parties, strange people hanging around the buidling, etc.). We used to call the police, but this was not a priority for them and though they would caution him, he’d wait for them to turn the corner before turning the music back up and carrying on. It really was frustrating that, even as owners, we had very little scope to do anything about it. He eventually moved out, bringing to an end 2 years of stress and anxiety. Having to move out yourself should not have to be the solution, but I came very close to selling my place…

Have you discussed this behaviour with your neighbours who might also be affected? Perhaps a group appeal to ACT housing might carry more weight?

Maybe the suggestion should be a rural property where the neighbours are kilometres away – in the bush no one can hear you scream……and no one runs down the bleeding bins!

If you feel that’s what you need, then I say go for it!

Crappy situation. I guess all you can do is be an official pest and complain to every one that will listen. Dont hope for a result though.

My experience of people like that is tea and sympathy will just mark you as a sucker for some sweet con work.Good luck with direct confrontation too. Its not like thats playing to their favourite pastime.

What a horrible situation. I must say I got a giggle out of the first few suggestions (and can’t being myself to read the utter twaddle by this Violet character who is clearly a troll, no one could seriously think like that).

Why are our taxes being used to house a man with a full time job (and a company vehicle) who is so rich he can afford to have a housewife bludging at home?

Just dreaming here, but it could be fun to record their foul behaviour, and then broadcast it back at them. But scum like that take violent umbrage at any kind of consequences of their behaviour and would no doubt become abusive.

Someonesmother1:13 pm 05 Jan 12

‘Noone has even mentioned that she might be a victim of violence here, not to mention her children’
Hello! You obviously don’t get it. Doesn’t the yelling and sleep deprivation constitute abuse, especially to the children.
I have lived in many different communities and on the whole would not consider this to be very ‘community’ minded. Maybe the suggestion should be a rural property where the neighbours are kilometres away – in the bush no one can hear you scream……and no one runs down the bleeding bins!

Dpm I love your suggestion, will take it on board. Violet, if anyone’s a victim of domestic violence, its the husband & children. Not her. Trust me. She doesn’t have a confidence problem…

OK well DVCS work with all victims of violence and the person who is using it (if they are willing). Maybe you could put their number in your neighbour’s letterbox with dpm’s suggestion then?

Amanda Hugnkiss, DVCS will also bring in child protection services if there is a risk to the children. The OP says that DOCS are not interested, which I would think unusual if there has been so many police reports and call outs. Police are mandated reporters.

Here’s a fact sheet you could anonymously pop in the letterbox too. Perhaps you could use some of the tips mentioned when you see the children (if you feel it’s appropriate).
http://www.parentline.org.au/files/files/FS/post%20separation/Effects%20of%20Domestic%20Violence%20on%20Children.pdf

Excuse me for trying to think of ways to co-exist and tolerate each other, but that’s how I roll.

I had neighbours like this and, when another neighbour approached them about the noise, they turned their attention beyond their own four walls. If you call the police and let them know children are present/involved, they will attend and bring a child protection representative as well. In my case, the shouty family moved on when the neighbour’s dog broke through the crappy wooden fence and killed their own dog.

GBT said :

poetix said :

And making jokes about poisoning dogs is almost equivalent to yelling obscenities.

Who will protect the non-existent dog from being potentially poisoned in a hypothetical situation if not poetix?

And leave that Cheshire cat alone!

Violet68 said :

Dilandach said :

Violet68 said :

Tooks said :

It’s nearly impossible to be evicted by ACT Housing. Keep calling the police, collect job numbers, keep onto Housing, keep onto child protection. Even with all that, you probably won’t get any peace unless this couple splits up and one of them moves out.

Yes, keep a diary and work on getting them evicted and their children removed. Afterall, yelling is utterly despicable. Those who yell must be punished!!

I doubt its limited to yelling, not to mention the repetitive swearing that kids hear. Of course in your world that is just ‘talking loudly’ with them saying “I love you” with fists.

No one has a right to be an asshat and cause problems in their street for everyone else. The wider community should not have to ignore or put up with them.

In “my world” forcing a family to become homeless or having kids put through the foster care system is not warranted simply due to yelling and swearing. And yes, the wider community does have to tolerate other people. That’s why it’s called a “community”.

I think you better look up the definition for a community. No where does it say that the majority have to put up with bad, destructive and violent behaviour.

As for forcing a family to be homeless and taking their kids away. There’s a simple solution to prevent that. It’s called “Behaving” or “acting like civil human beings”.

SocialHandGrenade12:47 pm 05 Jan 12

Violet68 said :

shirty_bear said :

Any chance the neighbour’s name might be “Violet”?
Why else would anyone defend these douchebags? Jesus H :-/

Sorry, nothing constructive to offer. Bad neighbours are a particular blight, and moving is likely the only solution. Hope you rent, SHG … selling next door to these champions won’t be any fun either.

As for the comments about this lady not working. Perhaps, she doesn’t have the confidence? Noone has even mentioned that she might be a victim of violence here, not to mention her children. Too busy pointing those fingers. dpm, I think your suggestion about the note in the letterbox is a good one, although maybe trying to get this woman on her own one day and just asking her if she’s OK might be a better start….and less likely to set this bloke off even more.

Dpm I love your suggestion, will take it on board. Violet, if anyone’s a victim of domestic violence, its the husband & children. Not her. Trust me. She doesn’t have a confidence problem…

Amanda Hugankis12:45 pm 05 Jan 12

Jethro said :

Violet68 said :

Jethro said :

Dilandach said :

Stupid question I know because I doubt they know how to converse outside of the “If I yell and rant enough I get my own way!” attitude. But. Have you approached them and told them to keep it down?

I always love these suggestions.

Most of us would prefer not to confront our violent sociopathic neighbours about their violent sociopathic behaviour due to their tendency towards violent sociopathic behaviour.

Yelling is now violent sociopathic behaviour? What are they gonna do? Knock your bins over?

Abusive yelling is violent behaviour.

Parents who scream at their kids like that are acting violently towards them. Violence doesn’t always need to be physical.

Once again Violet takes the side of the miscreants.

+1 Jethro. Violet was a child in such a loving and caring household, was she? I was… and yelling isn’t just an increase in volume to a child. Whether you know it or not at a young age … with the wisdom of age you do come to see that its abusive … and often violent (depending on the words used and the intent with which they’re hurled at you). Especially when you’re a child, on the stick end of it and cannot escape it.

But kudos to Violet for sticking up for those that can’t yell for themselves. Oh wait …

Dilandach said :

The next logical step in my eyes for dealing with these sorts would involve a couple of nail guns, some planks of wood, cans of petrol and a late night visit to the front and back doors.

I assume we all find the above psychopath far more disturbing than the mere sociopath that this thread is about?

As far as the original poster is concerned – there is no public housing on *my* street – this is something you can place a higher priority on next time you are house-hunting.

Oh, and as usual, I would have to point out that if you can’t take the unavoidable consequences of living in an urban environment (having to live with other people’s values), move out to the country where you can have some space.

SocialHandGrenade12:40 pm 05 Jan 12

poetix said :

Move. Do a title search of all neighboring houses near your potential new house if you’re so concerned about the Housing Trust issue. And making jokes about poisoning dogs is almost equivalent to yelling obscenities.

Consider for a moment that my husband & I saved, sacrificed & put in the long hours of blood, sweat & tears owner building our home with dreams of peacefully & happily raising our family here. Please forgive me for thinking that the lowies across the street don’t have a right to destroy our tranquil existence while they leech the system through the taxes we pay. We have borrowed against our home to run our own business so simply ‘moving’ ain’t so easy. And wow, I’m glad you can recognise that baiting dogs was only a joke & I’m ‘so’ relieved that leaves me only ‘almost equivalent’ & not on par. I’d defy you to live next door to them for a week.

shirty_bear said :

Any chance the neighbour’s name might be “Violet”?
Why else would anyone defend these douchebags? Jesus H :-/

Sorry, nothing constructive to offer. Bad neighbours are a particular blight, and moving is likely the only solution. Hope you rent, SHG … selling next door to these champions won’t be any fun either.

Nah, I lived in high density social housing for many years though. Have a pretty perfect record with Housing ACT and managed to get along with my neighbours. Really not that hard to keep to yourself, be respectful and not put your own value judgments on others.

As for the comments about this lady not working. Perhaps, she doesn’t have the confidence? Noone has even mentioned that she might be a victim of violence here, not to mention her children. Too busy pointing those fingers. dpm, I think your suggestion about the note in the letterbox is a good one, although maybe trying to get this woman on her own one day and just asking her if she’s OK might be a better start….and less likely to set this bloke off even more.

The contact number for DVCS is 62800900 or your local Community Centre will have family support workers you could make contact with to try and help you with your situation. There’s also the Conflict Resolution Service, for advice on neighbourhood stuff. Housing ACT are working on an antisocial behaviour response and support strategy so you could give some input there http://www.dhcs.act.gov.au/hcs (there is a discussion paper and email address to send input to).

Heaps of things you could do to try and make the situation work better.

poetix said :

And making jokes about poisoning dogs is almost equivalent to yelling obscenities.

Who will protect the non-existent dog from being potentially poisoned in a hypothetical situation if not poetix?

Move. Do a title search of all neighboring houses near your potential new house if you’re so concerned about the Housing Trust issue. And making jokes about poisoning dogs is almost equivalent to yelling obscenities.

SocialHandGrenade said :

What boggles my mind is that the husband works full time, with a company van. The wife doesn’t work, although she has no excuse not to since the kids are school age & she drives a car most people paying a mortgage or average rent cant afford (clearly drug dealing is as lucrative now as its always been). Why oh why are they allowed to stay! I have a beautiful friend who’s been patiently waiting 2 years for housing for herself & 3 children of which there seems to be none. She has been living in her parents garage yet these muppets live it up in a brand new 4 bedroom ensuite home! Wake up ACT Housing!!!!
For the record, on advice from the federal police who have to deal with them regularly, I haven’t approached them. Only in my daydreaming, where I bust through their door with a fully loaded AK47. As I sit & type right now, they are kicking off another domestic. Please. Someone. Make. It. Stop.

What about noting down some of the more interesting parts of their arguments, and quoting them as a list of dot points. Then place this in their letterbox in a note that says: “This is what the nieghbourhood gets to hear about your family each day”….?
Maybe this will make then realise they are being a bit loud?

Any chance the neighbour’s name might be “Violet”?
Why else would anyone defend these douchebags? Jesus H :-/

Sorry, nothing constructive to offer. Bad neighbours are a particular blight, and moving is likely the only solution. Hope you rent, SHG … selling next door to these champions won’t be any fun either.

Dilandach said :

Violet68 said :

Tooks said :

It’s nearly impossible to be evicted by ACT Housing. Keep calling the police, collect job numbers, keep onto Housing, keep onto child protection. Even with all that, you probably won’t get any peace unless this couple splits up and one of them moves out.

Yes, keep a diary and work on getting them evicted and their children removed. Afterall, yelling is utterly despicable. Those who yell must be punished!!

I doubt its limited to yelling, not to mention the repetitive swearing that kids hear. Of course in your world that is just ‘talking loudly’ with them saying “I love you” with fists.

No one has a right to be an asshat and cause problems in their street for everyone else. The wider community should not have to ignore or put up with them.

In “my world” forcing a family to become homeless or having kids put through the foster care system is not warranted simply due to yelling and swearing. And yes, the wider community does have to tolerate other people. That’s why it’s called a “community”.

Violet68 said :

Jethro said :

Dilandach said :

Stupid question I know because I doubt they know how to converse outside of the “If I yell and rant enough I get my own way!” attitude. But. Have you approached them and told them to keep it down?

I always love these suggestions.

Most of us would prefer not to confront our violent sociopathic neighbours about their violent sociopathic behaviour due to their tendency towards violent sociopathic behaviour.

Yelling is now violent sociopathic behaviour? What are they gonna do? Knock your bins over?

Abusive yelling is violent behaviour.

Parents who scream at their kids like that are acting violently towards them. Violence doesn’t always need to be physical.

Once again Violet takes the side of the miscreants.

SocialHandGrenade11:54 am 05 Jan 12

What boggles my mind is that the husband works full time, with a company van. The wife doesn’t work, although she has no excuse not to since the kids are school age & she drives a car most people paying a mortgage or average rent cant afford (clearly drug dealing is as lucrative now as its always been). Why oh why are they allowed to stay! I have a beautiful friend who’s been patiently waiting 2 years for housing for herself & 3 children of which there seems to be none. She has been living in her parents garage yet these muppets live it up in a brand new 4 bedroom ensuite home! Wake up ACT Housing!!!!
For the record, on advice from the federal police who have to deal with them regularly, I haven’t approached them. Only in my daydreaming, where I bust through their door with a fully loaded AK47. As I sit & type right now, they are kicking off another domestic. Please. Someone. Make. It. Stop.

Violet68 said :

Tooks said :

It’s nearly impossible to be evicted by ACT Housing. Keep calling the police, collect job numbers, keep onto Housing, keep onto child protection. Even with all that, you probably won’t get any peace unless this couple splits up and one of them moves out.

Yes, keep a diary and work on getting them evicted and their children removed. Afterall, yelling is utterly despicable. Those who yell must be punished!!

I doubt its limited to yelling, not to mention the repetitive swearing that kids hear. Of course in your world that is just ‘talking loudly’ with them saying “I love you” with fists.

No one has a right to be an asshat and cause problems in their street for everyone else. The wider community should not have to ignore or put up with them.

fgzk said :

Chop71 Its rude to ask a name without introducing yourself first.

I was saying, name the street or suburb. I couldn’t care less who the individuals are, although we will probably find them in police reports soon enough.

Tooks said :

It’s nearly impossible to be evicted by ACT Housing. Keep calling the police, collect job numbers, keep onto Housing, keep onto child protection. Even with all that, you probably won’t get any peace unless this couple splits up and one of them moves out.

Yes, keep a diary and work on getting them evicted and their children removed. Afterall, yelling is utterly despicable. Those who yell must be punished!!

Jethro said :

Dilandach said :

Stupid question I know because I doubt they know how to converse outside of the “If I yell and rant enough I get my own way!” attitude. But. Have you approached them and told them to keep it down?

I always love these suggestions.

Most of us would prefer not to confront our violent sociopathic neighbours about their violent sociopathic behaviour due to their tendency towards violent sociopathic behaviour.

Yelling is now violent sociopathic behaviour? What are they gonna do? Knock your bins over?

Jethro said :

Dilandach said :

Stupid question I know because I doubt they know how to converse outside of the “If I yell and rant enough I get my own way!” attitude. But. Have you approached them and told them to keep it down?

I always love these suggestions.

Most of us would prefer not to confront our violent sociopathic neighbours about their violent sociopathic behaviour due to their tendency towards violent sociopathic behaviour.

Well I admit that I wouldn’t go over in the same situation unless I was prepared to punch on, which really, I’m not.

The next logical step in my eyes for dealing with these sorts would involve a couple of nail guns, some planks of wood, cans of petrol and a late night visit to the front and back doors.

Just substitute the steak with a Big Mac?

2.4m colourbond fence? Makes a big difference to noise levels that can be heard within a house….

Dilandach said :

Stupid question I know because I doubt they know how to converse outside of the “If I yell and rant enough I get my own way!” attitude. But. Have you approached them and told them to keep it down?

I always love these suggestions.

Most of us would prefer not to confront our violent sociopathic neighbours about their violent sociopathic behaviour due to their tendency towards violent sociopathic behaviour.

Dilandach said :

Stupid question I know because I doubt they know how to converse outside of the “If I yell and rant enough I get my own way!” attitude. But. Have you approached them and told them to keep it down?

now there’s a winning suggestion…….

Stupid question I know because I doubt they know how to converse outside of the “If I yell and rant enough I get my own way!” attitude. But. Have you approached them and told them to keep it down?

It’s nearly impossible to be evicted by ACT Housing. Keep calling the police, collect job numbers, keep onto Housing, keep onto child protection. Even with all that, you probably won’t get any peace unless this couple splits up and one of them moves out.

Chop71 Its rude to ask a name without introducing yourself first.

yeah – let us know – we can all come and sit outside and watch! 🙂

Invite them around for a nice meal of mushrooms on toast.

Name and Shame.

Can’t wait to get the address. 🙂

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