What would get you Rioting for real?

johnboy 17 June 2011 61

You might have been surprised by news that Vancouver had a pretty lively riot yesterday.

A prosperous anglo city with a population well under a million, generally considered nice but a little dull and there they are torching cars.

John Dolan in The Exiled has a good take on the culture of the thing which finishes like this:

So why should I mind if somebody else’s truck contributes a few minutes of black plastic smoke to the empty mirror HQ buildings downtown?

You’ll even see a shot of the black smoke rising from downtown Vancouver in this RT clip and you tell me if it doesn’t make the whole dull wealthy inhuman place look interesting and lively for a few minutes. There are very few cities in the world which would not be briefly enlivened by black smoke rising from the financial district.

Surely if Vancouver can riot we could too here in Canberra?

But what would it take to get you out in the streets setting fire to things and smashing windows?

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p1 p1 11:25 am 20 Jun 11

damnintellectuals said :

Comparing Canberra to Vancouver? You have to be joking, right? ….. The numbers of homeless in Vancouver is astounding (Canberra has no East Hastings)…..

The main reason that Vancouver has so many homeless (tried sleeping outdoors in Calgary in winter?) as the effect of decreasing the homeless rate in Canberra (why be homeless here, when it is much warmer in Brisbane?).

Mysteryman Mysteryman 10:48 am 20 Jun 11

damnintellectuals said :

Comparing Canberra to Vancouver? You have to be joking, right? Aside from having a far greater metro-area population than Canberra (as well as a higher population density), the diversity within their population is incredible and not just in ethnic terms. The numbers of homeless in Vancouver is astounding (Canberra has no East Hastings). Also, the drug culture up there is far more permissive (there’s a reason why it’s called Vansterdam). Vancouver is far more progressive and alive than Canberra.

I find it quite humorous that you cite Vancouver’s extensive homelessness and drug issues, and then go on to assert that it’s more progressive and alive than Canberra.

damnintellectuals damnintellectuals 2:03 am 20 Jun 11

Comparing Canberra to Vancouver? You have to be joking, right? Aside from having a far greater metro-area population than Canberra (as well as a higher population density), the diversity within their population is incredible and not just in ethnic terms. The numbers of homeless in Vancouver is astounding (Canberra has no East Hastings). Also, the drug culture up there is far more permissive (there’s a reason why it’s called Vansterdam). Vancouver is far more progressive and alive than Canberra.

Primal Primal 4:44 pm 19 Jun 11

emd said :

People are usually only willing to risk their freedom and destroy property when they have nothing else left.

Or when their team doesn’t get a big trophy, apparently.

fgzk fgzk 4:41 pm 19 Jun 11

johnboy said :

Summernats and parliament house were both interstaters rioting though…

Parliament House wasn’t even a riot, more an opportunistic occupation of the front doors. Summernats was the only real riot Ive seen in Canberra. It reminded me of Bathurst.

The key ingredients, if you want to roll your own riot, would be large group of males, totally smashed on spirits, with no entertainment other than baiting police. Then its just a matter of when and where to light it up.

Its interesting people have mainly listed politically motivated rioting. Id put my money on alcohol every time.

johnboy johnboy 3:31 pm 19 Jun 11

Tetranitrate said :

Pork Hunt said :

I can’t think of a single country that hasn’t had a civil war after going from a monarchy to a republic.

Then you’re not trying very hard.

Italy became a republic via a referendum in 1946. No civil war.
Romania, Hungary & Bulgaria too around the same time, not really in a democratic manner but no civil war.

Not sure the aftermath of a world warcan be considered a more peaceful option than a revolution.

Especially when in all the cases you cite to new government was to the liking of occupying armies.

Tetranitrate Tetranitrate 2:53 pm 19 Jun 11

Pork Hunt said :

I can’t think of a single country that hasn’t had a civil war after going from a monarchy to a republic.

Then you’re not trying very hard.

Italy became a republic via a referendum in 1946. No civil war.
Romania, Hungary & Bulgaria too around the same time, not really in a democratic manner but no civil war.

emd emd 10:32 am 19 Jun 11

Canberrans won’t riot over anything as long as we are all kept in our comfortable middle class suburban lives. People are usually only willing to risk their freedom and destroy property when they have nothing else left. If Canberrans thought they were losing their jobs, homes, and their ability to look after their family, they might riot.

Holditz Holditz 10:45 pm 18 Jun 11

The Brumbies being thrashed by the ‘tahs.

wait-

The Frots The Frots 6:43 pm 18 Jun 11

Watson said :

KB1971 said :

Captain RAAF trapping my cat & taking it to the pound………

+1 We have a mob!

The good Captain bringing my cat back to me would do it (I hate that damn cat!).

54-11 54-11 5:33 pm 18 Jun 11

Putting Simple Simon back as Planning Minister. He was a disaster, with his only achievement being to make Brendan Smyth look like an intellectual giant.

Oh wait…

Wanon Wanon 4:04 pm 18 Jun 11

New South Wales winning the third State of Origin game.

Thoroughly Smashed Thoroughly Smashed 1:56 pm 18 Jun 11

BigDave said :

Jim Jones said :

random said :

Abolishing Medicare, re-instituting the draft, disenfranchisement, move from progressive to regressive income tax, some kind of Logan’s Run scenario…

Sounds like a Liberal Party policy list.

That’s funny, I was thinking it sounded like a Green Labor Party policy list.

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Watson Watson 9:32 am 18 Jun 11

KB1971 said :

Captain RAAF trapping my cat & taking it to the pound………

+1 We have a mob!

Deref Deref 8:32 am 18 Jun 11

BigDave said :

Jim Jones said :

random said :

Abolishing Medicare, re-instituting the draft, disenfranchisement, move from progressive to regressive income tax, some kind of Logan’s Run scenario…

Sounds like a Liberal Party policy list.

That’s funny, I was thinking it sounded like a Green Labor Party policy list.

Both, pretty much.

BigDave BigDave 7:53 am 18 Jun 11

Jim Jones said :

random said :

Abolishing Medicare, re-instituting the draft, disenfranchisement, move from progressive to regressive income tax, some kind of Logan’s Run scenario…

Sounds like a Liberal Party policy list.

That’s funny, I was thinking it sounded like a Green Labor Party policy list.

Erg0 Erg0 12:42 am 18 Jun 11

I just watched the hockey game in question, and I can attest that if I were a Vancouver Canucks fan then I’d definitely feel like punching someone in the face right now.

LSWCHP LSWCHP 10:40 pm 17 Jun 11

I’m with the Captain.

I’m a peaceful man. But it would be best to leave my guns alone.

arescarti42 arescarti42 8:52 pm 17 Jun 11

dpm said :

I suppose the difference may be that negative gearing does not affect the price of everyday housing.

Increase the price of everyday housing is pretty much all that negative gearing does. 9 out of 10 newly negatively geared properties are existing properties, that is to say only 1 in 10 negatively geared properties is a new build. Property investors buying existing houses doesn’t add to housing supply, it just turns potential home owners into renters and forces up prices artificially.

If the government was really serious about addressing affordability, they’d make negative gearing only apply to newly constructed dwellings which would actually increase supply of housing.

As for the middle class welfare in this country, it truly makes me sick to my stomach. It shows how warped people’s perspectives are when the Australian and Telegraphrun stories on how the government is attacking ordinary middle class battlers on $150-200k a year, when the median household income in Australia is $67k. That is to say that half of all Australian households earn less than $67k a year.

Antagonist Antagonist 7:32 pm 17 Jun 11

vg said :

aidan said :

We don’t have to speculate, there was the Summernats Riot (was that late 90s?).

Early 90s

But the early 90’s didn’t arrive in Canberra until the late 90’s. And the 90’s didn’t arrive in Queanbeyan until after Y2K. I guess in bogan terms, **** really is relative 🙂

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