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What’s the Government hiding on Light Rail? Toot!

By johnboy 14 February 2013 31

The Liberals Alistair Coe is asking why the Government won’t answer basic questions about the Capital Metro light rail plan:

The information on light rail the Liberals sought answers to were:

— the timeline for the decision making and construction progress;
— the expected cost to taxpayers of pre-construction and construction;
— the predicted patronage, running costs and staffing once operational;
— the population within reasonable walking distance of a light rail stop;
— plans for park and ride facilities;
— the financial models for funding the project; and
— what feedback was received from Infrastructure Australia as a result of the 2008-federally funded proposal.

“I’m disappointed that the Government is not passing on information about how they intend to honour their huge financial commitment,” Mr Coe said today.

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damien haas 2:17 pm 06 May 13

Bosworth said :

What is a “Kiss And Ride Facility”?

Providing a facility for a person to drop off/collect someone without having to park.

davo101 2:07 pm 06 May 13

What’s the Government hiding on Light Rail?

Don’t know…maybe some maths might help.

So it’s going to cost $611 million to build (LOL), which is about $44 million a year when amortised over 30 years. It’s claimed that the inbound passenger numbers will be 7500 by 2031, so let’s be generous and say 20 000 pax on a work day and 250 work days a year, so that’s about 5 million passenger trips per year. That makes the capital cost about $9 per trip, we then have to add on the running cost to this but at the moment they are “unknown”, so your guess is as good as mine.

In comparison the cab fare from Gungahlin to Civic is $30 according to the Canberra Cab website, and assuming that it’s not unreasonable to stick 3 passengers in each cab, that’d be $10 a trip. I’d be guessing the ACT government could get a bulk discount if they were ordering 2500 cabs……

Bosworth 1:47 pm 06 May 13

Bosworth said :

dungfungus said :

The questions have been answered.
http://www.actlightrail.info/2013/05/alistair-coes-capital-metro-questions.html

Simon Corbell said: “Further work will be undertaken in the Capital Metro Light Rail Integration Study to identify other suitable locations within the corridor for park and ride, bike and rike, and kiss and ride facilities.”

wtf?

What is a “Kiss And Ride Facility”?

triffid 1:42 pm 06 May 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Source to any of this?

Look on the back of your Learner’s Permit, or the back of your Electoral Roll enrollment confirmation. Have you got either of those sorted yet? It might be there along with your entitlement to display the depth of your wisdom.

Why I am never here anymore . . . 13 year olds who ‘know’ everything (yet also know nothing).

HiddenDragon 11:35 am 06 May 13

The recent death of Margaret Thatcher reminded us of the famous moment when she used a well-worn rhetorical device in an interview with George Negus, demanding to know who, where and when had told him that they thought Thatcher was stubborn – just another version of the old “name one starving African” retort.

Threads such as this (if they don’t descend into a “suck it up, princess”/”first world problems” slanging match) show that the same rhetorical device is quite popular with those whose mission is to repel any criticisms or questioning of flawlessly objective, balanced, non-partisan, evidence-based decisions and policies (i.e. decisions and policies which conform with their interests and world view) of our local government.

bundah 10:29 am 06 May 13

Pork Hunt said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

gooterz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Can’t really have logic without facts to back it up.

And what would it be? logic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference
Inference is the act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.

Facts are that many jobs are in civic.
There are many jobs in Woden. and In the triangle that is in the middle of Woden and civic.
People are more likely to go to work in the morning and come home in the evening (This is because its cheaper to pay people during the day than the night, which comes from the fact that people like to sleep. )

This would indicate that a large amount of traffic goes into civic and Woden in morning hours and leaves at night time hours.
Which means the trains go into civic full with people, and leave empty.

Being empty wastes money.

However if it was pre-woden to post civic. There is people going both directions, due to the number of work places in woden and civic.

No doubt that if the government does waste this money on Gungahlin they’d start shifting out government departments to Gungahlin just so someone uses the empty trips back to Gungahlin of a morning and the empty trips back towards civic at night.

For something to be know to be true, you need facts. So source, please?

Faaaaaarrrrkkkk! It’s not like they have a website for their opinions. Perhaps they have stated anecdotal evidence from someone in a pub on Friday night and were so smashed they can’t provide a source. What does it matter? It’s their opinion with or without scientific evidence
Do you have any pets? Does your dog grab a bone like you do and never let go?

That’s the problem there just isn’t enough of that apple-source to go around porker 🙂

Erg0 10:12 am 06 May 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

For something to be know to be true, you need facts. So source, please?

Christ, this is a news and opinion website not a university thesis. If you disagree then go ahead and state your case.

Bosworth 9:52 am 06 May 13

dungfungus said :

The questions have been answered.
http://www.actlightrail.info/2013/05/alistair-coes-capital-metro-questions.html

Simon Corbell said: “Further work will be undertaken in the Capital Metro Light Rail Integration Study to identify other suitable locations within the corridor for park and ride, bike and rike, and kiss and ride facilities.”

wtf?

gooterz 9:23 pm 05 May 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

For something to be know to be true, you need facts. So source, please?

Can’t I be my own source(pretty please), I’ve been in Canberra well over 20 years.

When I first moved here there was NO Tuggeranong.

Perhaps you could pose an alternate hypothesis?

If I must I hence forth submit this as my sole evidence that I could be bothered to submit to a troll on the internet

http://www.action.act.gov.au/routes/xpresso/757_gungahlin

Pork Hunt 9:11 pm 05 May 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

gooterz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Can’t really have logic without facts to back it up.

And what would it be? logic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference
Inference is the act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.

Facts are that many jobs are in civic.
There are many jobs in Woden. and In the triangle that is in the middle of Woden and civic.
People are more likely to go to work in the morning and come home in the evening (This is because its cheaper to pay people during the day than the night, which comes from the fact that people like to sleep. )

This would indicate that a large amount of traffic goes into civic and Woden in morning hours and leaves at night time hours.
Which means the trains go into civic full with people, and leave empty.

Being empty wastes money.

However if it was pre-woden to post civic. There is people going both directions, due to the number of work places in woden and civic.

No doubt that if the government does waste this money on Gungahlin they’d start shifting out government departments to Gungahlin just so someone uses the empty trips back to Gungahlin of a morning and the empty trips back towards civic at night.

For something to be know to be true, you need facts. So source, please?

Faaaaaarrrrkkkk! It’s not like they have a website for their opinions. Perhaps they have stated anecdotal evidence from someone in a pub on Friday night and were so smashed they can’t provide a source. What does it matter? It’s their opinion with or without scientific evidence
Do you have any pets? Does your dog grab a bone like you do and never let go?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:06 pm 05 May 13

gooterz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Can’t really have logic without facts to back it up.

And what would it be? logic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference
Inference is the act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.

Facts are that many jobs are in civic.
There are many jobs in Woden. and In the triangle that is in the middle of Woden and civic.
People are more likely to go to work in the morning and come home in the evening (This is because its cheaper to pay people during the day than the night, which comes from the fact that people like to sleep. )

This would indicate that a large amount of traffic goes into civic and Woden in morning hours and leaves at night time hours.
Which means the trains go into civic full with people, and leave empty.

Being empty wastes money.

However if it was pre-woden to post civic. There is people going both directions, due to the number of work places in woden and civic.

No doubt that if the government does waste this money on Gungahlin they’d start shifting out government departments to Gungahlin just so someone uses the empty trips back to Gungahlin of a morning and the empty trips back towards civic at night.

For something to be know to be true, you need facts. So source, please?

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