Why bother running buses at all? ACTION reveals Easter services

johnboy 4 April 2012 48

ACTION have announced their “services” for the Easter long weekend.

ACTION will be operating to a Sunday timetable over the Easter long weekend, from Friday 6 April to Monday 9 April. View Sunday timetable…

Because running a Saturday service on the Saturday was just too hard?


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BigDave BigDave 9:23 pm 09 Apr 12

That is also correct, Damien. They are required to do a “reasonable amount” of weekend work, but ask anyone, and no one knows how much (or how little) a “reasonable amount” actually is. It’s not written anywhere. Maybe that’s Action’s fault for not setting it out straight in the first place.
Buzz, that’s a little far-fetched. And as for trolley pushers and sandwich makers having the same skills, well that’s a pretty ridiculous comparison.
Let’s face it, if driving for Action was such a bed of roses, anyone (with no skills) could do it and, as you say, get paid a hell of a lot of money then we’d all be doing it wouldn’t we?
The fact of the matter is we aren’t and Action don’t have people beating down their door to get a job. Far from it. If anything, they are constantly short of drivers and find it difficult to attract and recruit people.
So, why is that then if the road to Action is paved with gold?

damien haas damien haas 8:09 pm 09 Apr 12

BigDave said :

Regarding composite rates and weekend work for drivers:
From what I have been told, Action management approached the TWU about bringing in compulsory weekend work. Since the current arrangement, with a composite rate, allows drivers the freedom to pick and choose which ones they want to work, it would require a complete change of the system.
A penalty rate would have to be applied as you are effectively telling people which weekends they are working so changing what they call “ordinary work hours”.
Secondly, they would have to include leave and superannuation entitlements as under the current EBA, weekends are classed as overtime and are not given.
They would also need to incorporate a 6 or 7 day network with a 6 or 7 day roster for drivers to make it work.
Action management were advised about all of this. They were also told that the TWU and drivers were open to any negotiations regarding this matter and that they should come back with shifts and proposals for their perusal so talks could begin.
They never came back.

The agreement required drivers to work a ‘reasonable amount’ of weekend work. this was rorted by drivers. Some have boasted that they have never worked weekends since it came in. ACTION should walk away from this composite wage.

I do agree that a 7 day network is required.

buzz819 buzz819 3:33 pm 09 Apr 12

scorpio63 said :

Ahhh….Buzz…..why not give bus driving a go yourself….and realise just how great it is mixing from all walks of life from some ignorant, rude, naval gazing, patronising public servants to some druggies, alcoholics, people with mental health issues,the disabled, school kids, teenagers, all treated fairly and safely delivered to their destinations by a bus driver treated on many occasions like %$#@ during their careers.

Sure, there are some lovely commuters both regularly and one offs, however what these guys, and for many years, it has been primarily male bus drivers employed by Action, have suffered from the public deserves the utmost respect, acknowledgement and thanks from Canberra residents.

What the public (parents in particular) forget is that these drivers have safely delivered your kids to school and home daily throughout their education and often ‘listen’ to your kids woes cheering them up.

For the knockers it is sheer insecurity and jealousy.

Do yourselves a favour – go and do some training, acquire your MR and HC licences – get out into the real world mixing and assisting the most unfortunate members of society.

Happy Easter!

I’d love to, I can guarantee you that I deal with all those people and a helluvalot more on a daily basis. So no woe is me in that regard.

It’s always the same old story, I had to get a licence, I have to deal with people, I don’t get paid enough, I have to work weekends wah wah wah waaahhh…. You don’t like go become a trolley pusher, or a sandwich maker at Subway, they have the same skills as you guys, you just get paid a hell of a lot more.

You want to deal with those people at the worst of times become an ambo and see what driving in Canberra is like, trying to get somewhere fast but people have no idea what to do with flashing lights behind them, rescuing a junkie, only to have them get up swinging because you saved their lives, then having to put up with blood, spit, shit and piss because people think they should go out and drink EVERYTHING at the bar.

You want some sympathy, how about trying actually giving some customer service to your customers.

SupaSal SupaSal 2:25 pm 09 Apr 12

My brother is a Bus Driver with ACTION with a young family – He generally Drives most public holidays – This year he decided that Spending some time with his young family was more important than Overtime money – I am a car owner but I admit I was glad to be able to spend time with my brother and his family – For once on a Public holiday!!

I suggest that some people need to think of the drivers and the need to spend time with their families at this time of year.

scorpio63 scorpio63 2:07 pm 09 Apr 12

Ahhh….Buzz…..why not give bus driving a go yourself….and realise just how great it is mixing from all walks of life from some ignorant, rude, naval gazing, patronising public servants to some druggies, alcoholics, people with mental health issues,the disabled, school kids, teenagers, all treated fairly and safely delivered to their destinations by a bus driver treated on many occasions like %$#@ during their careers.

Sure, there are some lovely commuters both regularly and one offs, however what these guys, and for many years, it has been primarily male bus drivers employed by Action, have suffered from the public deserves the utmost respect, acknowledgement and thanks from Canberra residents.

What the public (parents in particular) forget is that these drivers have safely delivered your kids to school and home daily throughout their education and often ‘listen’ to your kids woes cheering them up.

For the knockers it is sheer insecurity and jealousy.

Do yourselves a favour – go and do some training, acquire your MR and HC licences – get out into the real world mixing and assisting the most unfortunate members of society.

Happy Easter!

BigDave BigDave 10:40 am 09 Apr 12

Regarding composite rates and weekend work for drivers:
From what I have been told, Action management approached the TWU about bringing in compulsory weekend work. Since the current arrangement, with a composite rate, allows drivers the freedom to pick and choose which ones they want to work, it would require a complete change of the system.
A penalty rate would have to be applied as you are effectively telling people which weekends they are working so changing what they call “ordinary work hours”.
Secondly, they would have to include leave and superannuation entitlements as under the current EBA, weekends are classed as overtime and are not given.
They would also need to incorporate a 6 or 7 day network with a 6 or 7 day roster for drivers to make it work.
Action management were advised about all of this. They were also told that the TWU and drivers were open to any negotiations regarding this matter and that they should come back with shifts and proposals for their perusal so talks could begin.
They never came back.

BigDave BigDave 10:21 am 09 Apr 12

Yes, that’s quite correct. It was a decision by Action Management and the minister to run Public Holiday services on Easter Saturday. The reason being because they got away with it last year when the mechanics went on strike and nobody made any official complaints. Hence, money saved by not running longer services.
Perhaps, instead of writing about it on here, vent your frustrations in an official capacity to the ACT Government. If you don’t, they’ll do it over and over again just because they think no one is bothered…

ML-585 ML-585 1:31 pm 05 Apr 12

Saturday IS a public holiday; Sunday is NOT. That’s how it is and how it always has been. It used to be that ACTION would run a Saturday timetable on Easter Saturday despite it being a Public Holiday, now that is not the case.

From what I’ve heard, it is was the decision of ACTION Management (and/or the Minister) to run the Public Holiday timetable on Easter Saturday. In previous years they have always had enough drivers for the Saturday and there is no reason to believe this would not have been the case this year.

damien haas damien haas 12:09 pm 05 Apr 12

Bussie said :

It was well before I started with ACTION but I’ve heard from several old hands that the introduction of the composite rate of pay and the removal of compulsory weekend work were done several years apart. Both things agreed to by manangement so don’t try and blame the union/drivers for the s***ty weekend buses. If they could force us to work weekends they would but they can’t and don’t and we won’t let them until they offer us something in return so you can whine on the internet all you like.

Yeah, some people whine on the internet anonymously, others get involved and try to effect change in their community. Guess which one I am.

buzz819 buzz819 11:52 am 05 Apr 12

Bussie said :

damien haas said :

Your union accepted a composite rate in a previous agreement. That composite rate covers out of hours work. If you dont want to work weekends, why not roll back the agreement to a non-composite rate and ask for penaty rates outside 9-5 ? I bet you would find the weekend services were suddenly able to be staffed.

Its a massive con by the TWU. They got the payrise by gaining a composite rate, in the EBA yet dont actually want to do the work agreed to. It is no way an act of good faith and smells badly.

If the government had any backbone they would have let the agreement expire, and have you work at award rates. Which would see you get what you want – MO MONEY for working weekends.

It was well before I started with ACTION but I’ve heard from several old hands that the introduction of the composite rate of pay and the removal of compulsory weekend work were done several years apart. Both things agreed to by manangement so don’t try and blame the union/drivers for the s***ty weekend buses. If they could force us to work weekends they would but they can’t and don’t and we won’t let them until they offer us something in return so you can whine on the internet all you like.

Ahh bus drivers… They should start getting paid by how many people they transport throughout the day, like a Taxi driver, imagine how good the service would be then.

davo101 davo101 11:41 am 05 Apr 12

Frustrated said :

davo101 said :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_shopping

So what you are saying now is that Sunday is not a public holiday?

Frustrated Frustrated 11:27 am 05 Apr 12

davo101 said :

Frustrated said :

Easter Sunday is most definitely a public holiday, I have not seen any change to this.

Really? To quote Wikipedia {{Citation needed|reason=This claim needs a reliable source; Easter Sunday is not mentioned in the Holidays Act 1958.}}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_shopping

grump grump 11:02 am 05 Apr 12

johnboy said :

Bussie said :

It was well before I started with ACTION but I’ve heard from several old hands that the introduction of the composite rate of pay and the removal of compulsory weekend work were done several years apart. Both things agreed to by manangement so don’t try and blame the union/drivers for the s***ty weekend buses. If they could force us to work weekends they would but they can’t and don’t and we won’t let them until they offer us something in return so you can whine on the internet all you like.

And that my friends is the rancid smell of a failed service provider.

+1

johnboy johnboy 10:58 am 05 Apr 12

Bussie said :

It was well before I started with ACTION but I’ve heard from several old hands that the introduction of the composite rate of pay and the removal of compulsory weekend work were done several years apart. Both things agreed to by manangement so don’t try and blame the union/drivers for the s***ty weekend buses. If they could force us to work weekends they would but they can’t and don’t and we won’t let them until they offer us something in return so you can whine on the internet all you like.

And that my friends is the rancid smell of a failed service provider.

davo101 davo101 10:50 am 05 Apr 12

Frustrated said :

Easter Sunday is most definitely a public holiday, I have not seen any change to this.

Really? To quote Wikipedia {{Citation needed|reason=This claim needs a reliable source; Easter Sunday is not mentioned in the Holidays Act 1958.}}

Bussie Bussie 10:21 am 05 Apr 12

damien haas said :

Your union accepted a composite rate in a previous agreement. That composite rate covers out of hours work. If you dont want to work weekends, why not roll back the agreement to a non-composite rate and ask for penaty rates outside 9-5 ? I bet you would find the weekend services were suddenly able to be staffed.

Its a massive con by the TWU. They got the payrise by gaining a composite rate, in the EBA yet dont actually want to do the work agreed to. It is no way an act of good faith and smells badly.

If the government had any backbone they would have let the agreement expire, and have you work at award rates. Which would see you get what you want – MO MONEY for working weekends.

It was well before I started with ACTION but I’ve heard from several old hands that the introduction of the composite rate of pay and the removal of compulsory weekend work were done several years apart. Both things agreed to by manangement so don’t try and blame the union/drivers for the s***ty weekend buses. If they could force us to work weekends they would but they can’t and don’t and we won’t let them until they offer us something in return so you can whine on the internet all you like.

Frustrated Frustrated 10:16 am 05 Apr 12

lindilou said :

jk_142 said :

Saturday is a public holiday. It costs more.

Actually Saturday and Sunday are not public holidays. So pay stays at the normal Saturday and Sunday rates.

Easter Sunday is most definately a public holiday, I have not seen any change to this.

This is the traditional day of the easter eggs etc and supposed to be Jesus resurrection day isn’t it?

poetix poetix 9:43 am 05 Apr 12

davo101 said :

poetix said :

God may well be everywhere, but holy communion on your own is a bit unsatisfactory.

Have you tried Protestantism? It’s just you and God, no need to go through an intermediary.

Anglicanism: a bit of this and a bit of that since 1534.

Thumper Thumper 9:38 am 05 Apr 12

It’s all part of the grand ACT emissions reduction plan.

No cars, no buses.

You know I am right…. 🙂

FioBla FioBla 9:32 am 05 Apr 12

poetix said :

Let’s not forget that this is Easter, and a lot of people, even those who don’t drive (and/or have limited personal mobility) might want to attend special church services. For example, 6am vigils on Sunday. By my cursory reading of the timetables, it would be impossible to catch a bus to St Philip’s in O’Connor or St John’s in Reid, for example, for early services, and difficult for later ones. It is no more outrageous to expect that buses be available for Easter services than for a secular festival. (One bus could cover many churches, too.) And the ability to get to church at Easter is of great significance to many people.

I would have thought that a group of like-minded holy people going to designated spots at designated times would be able to organise car pooling/pick-up/drop-off among themselves. Seems like government is at once inept and then also expected to deliver things that individuals and communities can do for themselves. Keeping in mind that churches are exempt from paying for it.

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