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Why does Tuggeranong stink?

Charlotte Harper 12 January 2016 76

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Have you been affected by the unpleasant smell in Tuggeranong? Do you know where it’s coming from?

In recent weeks residents of the territory’s southern suburbs have complained about a foul stench and now the Canberra Liberals are on the case. Shadow Minister for the Environment Nicole Lawder has called on the Government to act to resolve the issue.

Ms Lawder reckons the stink is coming from the Mugga Lane Tip, which could suggest the problem is more to do with what we as individuals are putting in our wheelie bins than any decision the Government has made.

“Throughout December and again over the past few days I’ve received complaints from Tuggeranong residents about the foul odour they believe is coming from the Mugga Lane Tip,” Ms Lawder said in a statement this morning.

“For too long this has been an issue and residents deserve to enjoy the warmer weather, without being subjected to the foul smell.”

She said the reports had come from a range of locations, particularly in Fadden and Macarthur, and that ICON Water had investigated and ruled out the possibility it was a sewage issue.

“The government and the Environment Protection Authority (EPA) need to determine the cause of the odour as a matter of urgency and fix the problem. It’s been an issue for too long and is causing major inconvenience for many residents.”


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rommeldog56 3:37 pm 21 Jan 16

Charlotte Harper said :

I’ll get in touch with them about it today.

And the response from the TAMS media team, TAMS Minister and/or Tuggeranong MLAs is ???

Waiting……..waiting……..waiting………

rubaiyat 7:23 pm 18 Jan 16

dungfungus said :

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

grunge_hippy said :

I worked in Fadden for 6 years and it was putrid in the summer months, usually in Jan/Feb as opposed to December. It’s definitely the tip. You get the same smelling waft of odour when you pass the recycling plant on the Monaro.

Amazing what is now being revealed.
It’s what we can’t smell that is becoming the bigger problem.
Just what was being dumped in there in those couple of years prior to TAMS and the then waste contractor “discovered” twice as much waste had been accepted as was calculated?
Remember all those tip trucks swarming around suddenly looking for nearby places across the borders to dump (mainly) building demolition waste?
I smell a cover-up and its not the putrid rubbish (unfortunately).

Again I can not see the problem (literally).

Just ignore it and it will go away!

It’s not a “seeing” problem.

But sensei is it not written in the Great Book of the Ancients that what you can’t see, you can ignore?

dungfungus 12:10 pm 18 Jan 16

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

grunge_hippy said :

I worked in Fadden for 6 years and it was putrid in the summer months, usually in Jan/Feb as opposed to December. It’s definitely the tip. You get the same smelling waft of odour when you pass the recycling plant on the Monaro.

Amazing what is now being revealed.
It’s what we can’t smell that is becoming the bigger problem.
Just what was being dumped in there in those couple of years prior to TAMS and the then waste contractor “discovered” twice as much waste had been accepted as was calculated?
Remember all those tip trucks swarming around suddenly looking for nearby places across the borders to dump (mainly) building demolition waste?
I smell a cover-up and its not the putrid rubbish (unfortunately).

Again I can not see the problem (literally).

Just ignore it and it will go away!

It’s not a “seeing” problem.

rubaiyat 10:35 am 18 Jan 16

dungfungus said :

grunge_hippy said :

I worked in Fadden for 6 years and it was putrid in the summer months, usually in Jan/Feb as opposed to December. It’s definitely the tip. You get the same smelling waft of odour when you pass the recycling plant on the Monaro.

Amazing what is now being revealed.
It’s what we can’t smell that is becoming the bigger problem.
Just what was being dumped in there in those couple of years prior to TAMS and the then waste contractor “discovered” twice as much waste had been accepted as was calculated?
Remember all those tip trucks swarming around suddenly looking for nearby places across the borders to dump (mainly) building demolition waste?
I smell a cover-up and its not the putrid rubbish (unfortunately).

Again I can not see the problem (literally).

Just ignore it and it will go away!

dungfungus 10:30 pm 17 Jan 16

grunge_hippy said :

I worked in Fadden for 6 years and it was putrid in the summer months, usually in Jan/Feb as opposed to December. It’s definitely the tip. You get the same smelling waft of odour when you pass the recycling plant on the Monaro.

Amazing what is now being revealed.
It’s what we can’t smell that is becoming the bigger problem.
Just what was being dumped in there in those couple of years prior to TAMS and the then waste contractor “discovered” twice as much waste had been accepted as was calculated?
Remember all those tip trucks swarming around suddenly looking for nearby places across the borders to dump (mainly) building demolition waste?
I smell a cover-up and its not the putrid rubbish (unfortunately).

grunge_hippy 5:51 pm 17 Jan 16

I worked in Fadden for 6 years and it was putrid in the summer months, usually in Jan/Feb as opposed to December. It’s definitely the tip. You get the same smelling waft of odour when you pass the recycling plant on the Monaro.

SidneyReilly 11:20 am 17 Jan 16

I back onto a stormwater drain where there is a pond to stop rubbish entering the Lanyon stormwater settlement “lake”… In summer unless there is frequent rain the stagnant water in that pool gets very very ripe. If there is an algeal outbreak that also cases the “lake” waters generally to have an odour…

chewy14 9:56 am 17 Jan 16

miz said :

JC, Mugga Lane is not ‘perfectly good’ – it was meant to close a few years ago, presumably for good reason. It is practically full. It stinks. Even if you think it can still be used for now, they will have to find another site somewhere else, soon enough, even if they would ‘rather’ make a motza flogging the land off as residential. Molonglo is actually very central to Canberra. Where else is there?
Chewy, only people who do not use the Monaro Hwy would consider it an ‘industrial corridor.’ There is (light) industry is on the other side of the Hwy from the tip, i.e., at Hume. Further along on that side is emergency services, the prison, horse agistment and a farm. Most of the land along side of the Hwy the tip on is reserve.
However, it is highly unfortunate that the government decided Tuggeranong should rezone any part of a major entrance road into Canberra as an industrial zone.
Are you familiar with the Monaro? It seems that people from the north (and most MLAs, it seems) etc tend not to use the Monaro as when visiting Tuggeranong they mostly seem to travel from e.g. Belco so would use the Parkway. As such they appear oblivious to the fact that many Tuggeranong residents use the Monaro as their primary road north.

Yes, I use the Monaro highway almost daily, Canberra doesn’t really have any heavy industrial which is why you may think it’s not industrial but it is, current and slated future development would tell you that this. Along with other employment uses compatible with industrial, freight, bulky goods commercial is what the corridor is used for and will be used for In the future.

You’ve got Hume, the Tip and all the recycling centres on the north of the highway, plus plans for expansion. The quarries, emergency services, the jail, Symonston, Beard, the airport, Majura park, Amtech, Fyshwick itself. Plus Harman, the defence lands and others in Majura valley.

Take a look at the Eastern Broadacre study on the government’s website if you want to take a look at what the area is used for and what they’re planning.

rommeldog56 9:28 am 17 Jan 16

gazket said :

we all remember the Labor government unrealistic expectations of No Waste by 2010 . Why would we need a new tip if that was the expectation of the government. I’m sure the ministers are still putting their bins out every week in 2016.

It was “no Waste by 2008″, I think. It rhymes, don”t u think ? It was festooned on all garbage disposal trucks, as I recall. Cute.

After not meeting that, the ACT Labor Gov’t then called it an “aspirational” target only

So, no doubt the projection of passenger numbers in the flimsy Tram Business Case (on which passenger numbers will be underwritten to the Tram consortia by ACT Ratepayers for 20+ years !) will, if they are not met and ACT Ratepayers have to tip in even more $, also become “aspirational”.

But we will not know as I’m sure the nuts and bolts of the Tram’s contract and associated financial arrangements will be “Commercial In Confidence” and never be able to be released.

rubaiyat 8:35 am 17 Jan 16

gazket said :

That’s the stupidity of a government brang about by voters who fell for Labor scare campaigns every election..

I thought it was the other way round.

The Liberals come out looking like a bunch of soused Irishmen outside a pub itching for a fight. Shouting they are “going to do ya”, blaming public servants for everything and that they are going to sack as many as they can.

Canberra Labor only has to stand back and watch in amusement as the local Liberals try and disassociate themselves from the Federals, whilst all the time mouthing the same lines.

dungfungus 8:29 am 17 Jan 16

gazket said :

we all remember the Labor government unrealistic expectations of No Waste by 2010 . Why would we need a new tip if that was the expectation of the government. I’m sure the ministers are still putting their bins out every week in 2016.

That’s the stupidity of a government brang about by voters who fell for Labor scare campaigns every election.

Corbell didn’t campaign last election yet still got in. Due to public funded government work place pamphlets no doubt.

Get the public servants on side and you have won the election in the ACT.

I think it was the Liberals who introduced the “no waste” concept. I remember Tony De Domenico making the speech.
It was just a name – nowhere was it discussed how “nil waste” would be achieved.
To be fair, Labor saw a political opportunity (my no waste is bigger than yours) and ran with.
In fact, while the concept has been abandoned the current government still call their part in the disposal of garbage in the Territory as “ACT NOWASTE” so the scam is still alive and well.

HenryBG 8:18 am 17 Jan 16

rommeldog56 said :

What the affected residents want to know is the cause(s) of the smell (which is clearly getting worse and more frequent), any potential impact on health and what is going to be done to fix it.

The cause is well-known, and it isn’t getting “worse and more frequent”. This whinge surfaces every year at least once and those emitting it seem to have very short memories.

As for the health impact of a post-rainfall stink 2 or 3 times a year…..this would be orders of magnitude less serious than the carbon monoxide you breathe in every time you visit Civic (not to mention trips to Sydney).

gazket 7:14 pm 16 Jan 16

we all remember the Labor government unrealistic expectations of No Waste by 2010 . Why would we need a new tip if that was the expectation of the government. I’m sure the ministers are still putting their bins out every week in 2016.

That’s the stupidity of a government brang about by voters who fell for Labor scare campaigns every election.

Corbell didn’t campaign last election yet still got in. Due to public funded government work place pamphlets no doubt.

Get the public servants on side and you have won the election in the ACT.

miz 6:42 pm 16 Jan 16

JC, Mugga Lane is not ‘perfectly good’ – it was meant to close a few years ago, presumably for good reason. It is practically full. It stinks. Even if you think it can still be used for now, they will have to find another site somewhere else, soon enough, even if they would ‘rather’ make a motza flogging the land off as residential. Molonglo is actually very central to Canberra. Where else is there?
Chewy, only people who do not use the Monaro Hwy would consider it an ‘industrial corridor.’ There is (light) industry is on the other side of the Hwy from the tip, i.e., at Hume. Further along on that side is emergency services, the prison, horse agistment and a farm. Most of the land along side of the Hwy the tip on is reserve.
However, it is highly unfortunate that the government decided Tuggeranong should rezone any part of a major entrance road into Canberra as an industrial zone.
Are you familiar with the Monaro? It seems that people from the north (and most MLAs, it seems) etc tend not to use the Monaro as when visiting Tuggeranong they mostly seem to travel from e.g. Belco so would use the Parkway. As such they appear oblivious to the fact that many Tuggeranong residents use the Monaro as their primary road north.

dungfungus 5:40 pm 16 Jan 16

rommeldog56 said :

HenryBG said :

I would also note that this methane would in the past have been subject to flaring and venting anyway, for safety reasons.

Surely it is safe to assume the methane plant would be mitigating any emissions, not exacerbating them?

On the assumption (by me) that the amount of methane to be “treated” will increase proportionally with the tips increased capacity, I do not know if or why the existing methane plant is not expanded, its capacity to treat the increased methane enhanced and/or more methane treatment plants put onto the tip site.

If that has been done or planned as at least 1 mitigation strategy to reduce that terrible smell, then I’m sure that affected residents don’t know about it. How do we know that the methane isn’t just venting into the air – and when ?

If the methane is contributing to the smell, then I don’t know why anyone would “think it safe is safe to assume the methane plant would be mitigating any emissions, not exacerbating them”.

What the affected residents want to know is the cause(s) of the smell (which is clearly getting worse and more frequent), any potential impact on health and what is going to be done to fix it.

There is only arrogant and dismissive silence from the ACT Labor/Greens Gov’t and the TAMS minister. That is not acceptable.

They must know – if they don’t know, then that’s an even bigger problem !

They will know it when the class actions start.

rommeldog56 2:57 pm 16 Jan 16

chewy14 said :

Hmmmm, the only public amenity I think you’re supporting is of the NIMBY kind.

That pre-programmed response didn’t take that long to come out, did it.

rommeldog56 9:36 am 16 Jan 16

miz said :

The ACT Government had the perfect opportunity to create a new tip when it began developing Molonglo. They probably still could find a place for one there. But the government is greedy and would rather get money for residential than plan a new public amenity.

There was a “study” done some years ago on which the decision was made to close other tip(s) and consolidate domestic and other waste disposal into Mugga Lane tip. It was the subject of discussion on RiotAct as I recall. It will be on the Net somewhere, I suppose – I can not recall if Molonglo was assessed as a possible site or not.

At the time, the usual apologists for this ACT Labor/Greens Gov’t on here criticised Tuggeranog residents for complaining about the plans to expand Mugga Lane tip. Nimbys, selfish, whingers, etc were terms I recall I think. What we have now re that terrible smell, is probably the start of the fallout of that decision being felt by residents.

chewy14 9:25 am 16 Jan 16

miz said :

watto23 said :

dungfungus said :

Mugga Lane and West Belconnen land fills were both going to close permanently in 2015.
Only one has closed and the other has a planned and approved expansion for at least another 15 (probably 30) years.
Imagine the screams if West Belconnen was opened again, this being an election year.

Have you got a source for that? Or is it something you remember? I’ve lived in Tuggeranong for 39 years now and never ever heard the mugga lane tip was going to close. I’ve heard of capacity of a tip site ending in 2015 and being extended but not the whole mugga lane tip. But hey lets not use facts, if we say something enough it will become a fact and people will believe it.

Lets for instance say we close that tip. Where in the ACT will you or say another political party build one? I’d love to hear a solution from the liberals rather than just saying we are not labor, so we’d fixed this problem. vote for us. Then the idiots who vote because they are upset vote for the other party, they don’t have a solution, and the cycle continues.

At least hold the Liberals who are sprouting themselves as a better alternative, to put the solutions on the board. It is an election year so I’m sure its not too early to start discussing solutions.

While ever people have this selfish me too attitude, politics in the city is just going to be about vote winning and not about making the city a great place. Why don’t Tuggeranong residents come up with what they need in the valley and put that forward to the Legislative assembly. I distinctly remember resident of other parts of Canberra complaining when all the spending was done in Tuggeranong as it was growing.

The ACT Government had the perfect opportunity to create a new tip when it began developing Molonglo. They probably still could find a place for one there. But the government is greedy and would rather get money for residential than plan a new public amenity.

This has to be the funniest post here.

The current tip is located in an industrial corridor many kilometres away from residential houses, yet you think it would have been better to open a new tip in an area that’s always been identified for residential development?
On land that is worth many billions of dollars, doesn’t suit this type of industrial use and isn’t physically separated from existing developments by natural topography of hills and ridge lines?

Hmmmm, the only public amenity I think you’re supporting is of the NIMBY kind.

rommeldog56 9:24 am 16 Jan 16

HenryBG said :

I would also note that this methane would in the past have been subject to flaring and venting anyway, for safety reasons.

Surely it is safe to assume the methane plant would be mitigating any emissions, not exacerbating them?

On the assumption (by me) that the amount of methane to be “treated” will increase proportionally with the tips increased capacity, I do not know if or why the existing methane plant is not expanded, its capacity to treat the increased methane enhanced and/or more methane treatment plants put onto the tip site. If that has been done or planned as at least 1 mitigation strategy to reduce that terrible smell, then I’m sure that affected residents don’t know about it. How do we know that the methane isn’t just venting into the air – and when ?

If the methane is contributing to the smell, then I don’t know why anyone would “think it safe is safe to assume the methane plant would be mitigating any emissions, not exacerbating them”.

What the affected residents want to know is the cause(s) of the smell (which is clearly getting worse and more frequent), any potential impact on health and what is going to be done to fix it.

There is only arrogant and dismissive silence from the ACT Labor/Greens Gov’t and the TAMS minister. That is not acceptable. They must know – if they don’t know, then that’s an even bigger problem !

chewy14 9:16 am 16 Jan 16

HenryBG said :

rommeldog56 said :

The implication of references to the methane plant as being/contributing to the smell is about whether that plant is operating properly. For instance, with the expansion of the Mugga Lane tip, I would expect that plant to have been expanded – or new ones constructed – to cope with the extra methane.

OK, it would seem that greater knowledge of what the methane plant actually achieves would be in order.

According to the Office of the Commissioner for Sustainability and the Environment, the methane plant “can reduces methane from the landfill by over 1,700 tonnes each year”
http://www.environmentcommissioner.act.gov.au/publications/soe/2007actreport/snapshots07/mugga

So far, so good. That 1,700 tonnes per year was always going to be there, regardless of whether a plant was built to consume it, or not.

What else could be going on?

According to the National Toxics Network,
http://www.ntn.org.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/NTN-Submission-to-air-pollution-inquiry-.pdf

“Gas Processing, which is required to remove impurities before natural gas can be used as a fuel, produces … hydrogen sulphide, … ”
“Flaring …..emissions include hydrogen sulfide, “

Also, presumably, the plant could be venting methane.

I can’t seem to find any reporting that quantifies the side-effects of these activities as are occurring at Mugga.

I would also note that this methane would in the past have been subject to flaring and venting anyway, for safety reasons.

Surely it is safe to assume the methane plant would be mitigating any emissions, not exacerbating them?

Firstly, methane is an odourless gas, so the chances of it in of itself being an odour problem is zero. And unless the plant is not working at all and they’ve installed a specific vent system that is discharging significant amounts of sulphides (just to annoy MacArthur residents), the chances of it being the source are almost near zero. There’s much bigger, more obvious sources.

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