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Why isn’t Canberra a Marginal Seat?

By Noezis - 24 August 2010 59

Just to open debate up and in an effort to continue flogging a dead horse.  I want to know why Canberra isn’t a marginal seat?  

Being a safe Labor seat means that we cannot take advantage of being invited to the Budget Banquet, instead we are relegated to taking the scraps.  Canberra is seen as a safe seat and as such I believe there is not much effort made by the Federal government or the opposition to win over Canberra’s voters at each Federal Election, nor are there any big wins during budget time.

As a quick example during the current election Labor is looking to cut spending in Canberra’s public service in a variety of areas and to the tune of $532.5 million dollars, whilst offering $26.92 million in the form of a GP super clinic and affordable housing.

The Libs are offering $1.05 million in funding for graffiti clean up, the Aboriginal Landkeepers Program and to the RSPCA, whilst reducing the APS by 12,000 and reducing funding for ICT project by $447.5 million.

To keep the pollies on their toes wouldn’t it make sense to swing our vote.

[ED – on the other hand if you add up every ACT based public servant and government employed contractor that’s a lot of government money pumped into this town]

What’s Your opinion?


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Why isn’t Canberra a Marginal Seat?
Mark of Sydney 3:00 pm 24 Aug 10

troll-sniffer said that ‘a lower percentage of bogans and catholics means that the relative IQ is higher.’

Except that according to the most recent figures I can quickly find on the ABS website, the ACT has the highest percentage of catholics of any state or territory — see http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/2f762f95845417aeca25706c00834efa/d82c7917c3363ac8ca2570ec00787e6d!OpenDocument

Diggety 2:53 pm 24 Aug 10

troll-sniffer said :

A lower percentage of bogans and catholics means that the relative IQ is higher. More intelligent people tend to have left of centre views and vote accordingly. quote]

Usually a sign of intelligence in an individual is one who can avoid assumptions and provide evidence for their position, or rant as the case may be.

The reasoning for Labor dominance in the seat of Canberra is a little more complex and far from what you have stated.

Solidarity 2:28 pm 24 Aug 10

A bit of the pot calling the kettle black there, troll-sniffer.

justin heywood 2:25 pm 24 Aug 10

troll-sniffer said :

A lower percentage of bogans and catholics means that the relative IQ [of Canberra voters] is higher.

..and the evidence for that piece of arrogant bigotry would be…..entirely in your own mind.

There IS evidence that older voters tend to become more conservative. Perhaps people lose intelligence as they get older -or maybe they just become wiser.

troll-sniffer 2:09 pm 24 Aug 10

A lower percentage of bogans and catholics means that the relative IQ is higher. More intelligent people tend to have left of centre views and vote accordingly. Unfortunately for the Alan Jones crowd and other similar low brow sections of society, Canberra will probably retain a higher average level of thinking intelligence for the forseeable future, meaning that reactionary fools like Abbott will continue to be seen for what they really are and not attract our votes.

Sorry if this offends the dumb liberal voters… nah I’m not.

PM 2:01 pm 24 Aug 10

Is this where we suggest the option of “None of the Above”?

Grail 1:52 pm 24 Aug 10

Can someone help me out here? I’m trying to figure out:

(a) which Greens used to be in Labor (to support #7 justin heywood’s claim that Greens are just the traditional left of the Labor party) and

(b) how a vote for the Greens turns into a vote for Labor. The Greens preferences in Canberra were to two Democrats, then Labor then an independent, then Liberal – so it’s just as true to say that a vote for Greens is a vote for Democrats or Liberal, and that’s all assuming you don’t vote by numbering every box below the line.

I’m all in favour of removing the requirement to number every box below the line, by the way. I’d prefer that my vote for Greens, Democrats, then Independents didn’t stand a chance in Hell of turning into a vote for Liberal or Labor.

Crikey 1:42 pm 24 Aug 10

Canberrans live like they reside in Toorak and vote like they live in Blaxland!

justin heywood 1:31 pm 24 Aug 10

hax said :

We need a really good independent – imagine if we did this time around, we would be getting some special attention!

I agree. There does appear to be too many ‘rusted on’ Labor voters in this town. No matter how badly we are ignored Federally, no matter how hopeless local Labor is, a significant number of Canberrans seem unable to bring themselves to vote for the other side. (The Greens are pretty much just the traditional ‘left’ of the Labor Party, so they don’t count).

But people might be able to bring themselves to vote for a credible and charismatic independent, if one stepped forward.

bean 1:29 pm 24 Aug 10

Lets form a “Vote Marginal” lobby group 🙂

Doesn’t matter who you like or loathe, you vote for the number two person in your electorate regardless, with the intention of swinging the vote enough that we start to get some of that election time funding money coming in …

Bosworth 1:26 pm 24 Aug 10

hax said :

To keep the pollies on their toes wouldn’t it make sense to swing our vote.

I think we need some more options – who do you intend to swing to?

Canberra seems to be endlessly anti-liberal and voting for the greens is giving your preference to labor – not much of a ‘punishment’ if a swing to the greens gets labor back in at the end of the day, and time and time again whether they are actually serving us well or not. That’s not how it should work, and IMO it isn’t working for us.

That is not how it works. Every individual person chooses where their preferences go.

caf 1:18 pm 24 Aug 10

hax, voting for the Greens isn’t giving your preference to Labor unless you also choose to give your preference to Labor.

Your preference distribution is entirely up to you. Voting “1. Green 2. Liberal” is perfectly cromulent.

hax 1:13 pm 24 Aug 10

To keep the pollies on their toes wouldn’t it make sense to swing our vote.

I think we need some more options – who do you intend to swing to?

Canberra seems to be endlessly anti-liberal and voting for the greens is giving your preference to labor – not much of a ‘punishment’ if a swing to the greens gets labor back in at the end of the day, and time and time again whether they are actually serving us well or not. That’s not how it should work, and IMO it isn’t working for us.

We need a really good independent – imagine if we did this time around, we would be getting some special attention!

Deano 1:07 pm 24 Aug 10

To keep the pollies on their toes wouldn’t it make sense to swing our vote.

I think the major parties have been working towards this aim for a while now.

Inappropriate 12:27 pm 24 Aug 10

The demographic of Canberra and Frasier is working families, with 19% of voters being public servants; working families tend to be non-conservative voters.

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