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Wildly successful Mawson Park and Ride expanded

By johnboy 23 November 2011 51

Simon Corbell has announced that with the Mawson Park and Ride filling up by 8.30am the facility has been expanded.

“Bike and Ride, and Park and Ride facilities were launched in Mawson on Athllon Drive in January 2010 providing 97 parking spaces and 18 secure bike lockers,” Mr Corbell said.

“From the day it opened, Park and Ride opportunities at Mawson has been in high demand with the free car park often reaching full capacity before 8.30 am on weekdays.

“In response, the ACT Government has invested $550,000 to double the capacity of the car park providing an additional 90 parking spaces. This funding also includes the provision of a new bike storage cage that can hold up to 24 bikes at a time.

“Ten of the existing bicycle lockers at Mawson have been relocated to areas in Canberra where demand for lockers is high, including the new Park and Ride facility on Flemington Road in Mitchell.”

“The Mawson facility is just a short walk from the local shops and is located next to the Athllon Drive bus stop. Buses service this route every five minutes during peak periods and every 10 minutes during off-peak times.”

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00davist 6:14 pm 23 Nov 11

OpenYourMind said :

Oodavist said “blah blah *(Sorry to those cyclists who actually know and follow the rules, pay attention to their surroundings, and use the road courteously, blah blah”

I am so sick of this stupid argument. Cyclists don’t obey rules. I would love to film any car journey I take and count the percentage of drivers breaking the laws vs cyclists. Sure the odd cyclist breaks a rule and it gets plastered over RiotACT, but just drive along Tuggeranong Pkwy for instance and count the few cars NOT breaking the speed limit – almost every car is breaking that rule alone. Car drivers are so bad that red light cameras, police patrols etc. all have to be instituted. The worst offending cyclists you see are probably car drivers that have finally lost their licence for drunk driving and such and end up on their treadly!

A Sunday Canberra Times report I read a while back stated that the cost of motor vehicle injuries alone exceeded all revenue collected from the driving public.

That last claim is fairly dubois in itself, due to the cost mainly being taken on by insurers, who recoup their costs.

As for the rest of it, the fact that cars break the rules does not mean bikes dont!

Further, your claim that almost all cars do, and almost all cyclists dont, simply highlights the fact that you are not here to try and present a credible argument.

Both parties break the rules TOO BLOODY OFTEN.

Trust me, I’ve spent years involved in road safty, and yep, most drives suck, but that does not remove the fact that an awfull lot of cyclists have no regard for saftey either!

OpenYourMind 6:01 pm 23 Nov 11

Oodavist said “blah blah *(Sorry to those cyclists who actually know and follow the rules, pay attention to their surroundings, and use the road courteously, blah blah”

I am so sick of this stupid argument. Cyclists don’t obey rules. I would love to film any car journey I take and count the percentage of drivers breaking the laws vs cyclists. Sure the odd cyclist breaks a rule and it gets plastered over RiotACT, but just drive along Tuggeranong Pkwy for instance and count the few cars NOT breaking the speed limit – almost every car is breaking that rule alone. Car drivers are so bad that red light cameras, police patrols etc. all have to be instituted. The worst offending cyclists you see are probably car drivers that have finally lost their licence for drunk driving and such and end up on their treadly!

A Sunday Canberra Times report I read a while back stated that the cost of motor vehicle injuries alone exceeded all revenue collected from the driving public.

mareva 5:54 pm 23 Nov 11

A few points.

1. People don’t misuse the Mawson park n ride to park while they shop/work, at least not commonly. There is ample parking at the Woolworths, it is literally never full. There are 2 huge carparks there for that exact purpose. Further there are no offices in Mawson, apart from maybe 1 or 2 here or there. People who work at Mawson work at the various shops around the Southlands area, of which there are relatively few (compared to somewhere like Kingston for example) and the parking is pretty good. There are all day carparks and as I said, rarely if ever are they full. I know this because I used to work at a shop in Mawson for about 6 years.

2. The bike parks at the Mawson park n ride are not often full, or at least, the car places fill up a heck of a lot faster. I know this because my boyfriend rides his bike on the days he doesn’t start at the same time as me. I drive everyday and park in the park n ride. We both do shift work so go at various hours but for the most part it is some time between 8.00am and 10.00am. I cannot get a (legal) park after 8.45. My boyfriend can get a bike park most days, most hours. On occasion he has had to leave his bike in Southlands which is uncovered but better than nothing.

00davist 5:51 pm 23 Nov 11

fromthecapital said :

00davist said :

c` said :

00davist said :

For all you viewers at home, heres the answer.

I added 2 further assumptions tbefore I calculated:

1) they both needed rear brakes & 2 services this year
2) the car also has comprehensive insurance.

remember, this is not the cost payed in the hypothetical year, it is juat the tax payed.

Cyclist: $288.65
Driver: $46663.39

That’s a s***load of petrol…

You missed the assumption where the driver actually drives everywhere in reverse and the cyclist can actually levitate. I can afford to buy a second car but I looked at the cost and thought better of it. You make your choices, you get to live with them. Now I agree that riding a bicycle is not suitable for everyone, but for many of those who think it is not are just making excuses. Or expressing their choice. Both of which they are free to make.

Given the choice between cheap and expensive, I’ll take cheap in this case.

What, that’s less fuel than most people use.

To calculate fuel cost (tax) I used 25 km times 2 per day, times 5 days a week, times 52 days a yers (yes, i skipped leave, but i forementioned it, and lets face it, holiday & weekend trips would exceed fuel saved on leave in the real world)

I then used that figure, and the average consumption for the mentione car on redbook, by the price of fuel i gave, then worked out GST on that fuel and the additional fuel tax.

it’s actually f*ck all fuel mate, mostly everyone who drives, does more than just go to work.

The overall cost includes tax on purchase of car, tax on insurance, rego, tax on parts, tax on service, all calculated from the actuall tax charged on real world quotes.

if you exclude purchase from the equasion, the car is $1, 607 and the bike is $25

Remember thats tax payed in the year, not money spent.

My point is, considering cyclists have so much they are asking for, how can they stand in front of those paying over $1500 more tax each year, and balk at the idea of an annual $50 rego?

IT IS SELFISH!

Ever heard the expression, “if you can’t beat them, join them” you aren’t forced to incur all those costs….

I’m not complaining about the costs, I’m comparing contributions to tax!

Way to miss the point!

00davist 5:39 pm 23 Nov 11

damien haas said :

Running costs of a car vary considerably. I use a Commodores running costs (around $12,500 a year) when i give a presentation on light rail.

The NRMA has a calculator at its website: https://www.mynrma.com.au/mynrma/operating-costs-calculator.aspx

From its website: “Calculations are for private ownership in New South Wales, based on an annual distance of 15,000 kilometres travelled over an ownership period of five years. The formula takes into account the negotiated vehicle price, depreciation, opportunity interest, registration, comprehensive insurance, NRMA membership, maintenance and car repairs & fuel.”

This is not about running costs, its about contribution to infrastructure vs. demands for more infrastructure/ vs savings to health systhem.

damien haas 5:35 pm 23 Nov 11

Running costs of a car vary considerably. I use a Commodores running costs (around $12,500 a year) when i give a presentation on light rail.

The NRMA has a calculator at its website: https://www.mynrma.com.au/mynrma/operating-costs-calculator.aspx

From its website: “Calculations are for private ownership in New South Wales, based on an annual distance of 15,000 kilometres travelled over an ownership period of five years. The formula takes into account the negotiated vehicle price, depreciation, opportunity interest, registration, comprehensive insurance, NRMA membership, maintenance and car repairs & fuel.”

fromthecapital 5:18 pm 23 Nov 11

00davist said :

c` said :

00davist said :

For all you viewers at home, heres the answer.

I added 2 further assumptions tbefore I calculated:

1) they both needed rear brakes & 2 services this year
2) the car also has comprehensive insurance.

remember, this is not the cost payed in the hypothetical year, it is juat the tax payed.

Cyclist: $288.65
Driver: $46663.39

That’s a s***load of petrol…

You missed the assumption where the driver actually drives everywhere in reverse and the cyclist can actually levitate. I can afford to buy a second car but I looked at the cost and thought better of it. You make your choices, you get to live with them. Now I agree that riding a bicycle is not suitable for everyone, but for many of those who think it is not are just making excuses. Or expressing their choice. Both of which they are free to make.

Given the choice between cheap and expensive, I’ll take cheap in this case.

What, that’s less fuel than most people use.

To calculate fuel cost (tax) I used 25 km times 2 per day, times 5 days a week, times 52 days a yers (yes, i skipped leave, but i forementioned it, and lets face it, holiday & weekend trips would exceed fuel saved on leave in the real world)

I then used that figure, and the average consumption for the mentione car on redbook, by the price of fuel i gave, then worked out GST on that fuel and the additional fuel tax.

it’s actually f*ck all fuel mate, mostly everyone who drives, does more than just go to work.

The overall cost includes tax on purchase of car, tax on insurance, rego, tax on parts, tax on service, all calculated from the actuall tax charged on real world quotes.

if you exclude purchase from the equasion, the car is $1, 607 and the bike is $25

Remember thats tax payed in the year, not money spent.

My point is, considering cyclists have so much they are asking for, how can they stand in front of those paying over $1500 more tax each year, and balk at the idea of an annual $50 rego?

IT IS SELFISH!

Ever heard the expression, “if you can’t beat them, join them” you aren’t forced to incur all those costs….

00davist 5:06 pm 23 Nov 11

Postalgeek said :

Ok. So now that that pre-biased hypotheticals aren’t cool what are we going to do with your motorists contribute more than cyclists theory?

All you’ve proven is that owning a motor vehicle is more expensive than owning a bike, or are we going to pretend the cyclist doesn’t spend the money they have saved on something else, and that GST only apply to car brake pads?

Variables are a nuisance when you want to make generalisations.

I applied gst to the bike consumables to.

The figures are not money spent, they are simply the bit that went to tax.

Considering the extra taxes on fuel and rego, the contribution will still be substantially less if the saved money is simply spent elswhere, as GST is much, much less.

Unless they spend it all smoking!

The figures are not bout expense, they are JUST the contribution to Givt. co.

00davist 5:03 pm 23 Nov 11

amarooresident3 said :

c` said :

00davist said :

For all you viewers at home, heres the answer.

I added 2 further assumptions tbefore I calculated:

1) they both needed rear brakes & 2 services this year
2) the car also has comprehensive insurance.

remember, this is not the cost payed in the hypothetical year, it is juat the tax payed.

Cyclist: $288.65
Driver: $46663.39

That’s a s***load of petrol…

You missed the assumption where the driver actually drives everywhere in reverse and the cyclist can actually levitate. I can afford to buy a second car but I looked at the cost and thought better of it. You make your choices, you get to live with them. Now I agree that riding a bicycle is not suitable for everyone, but for many of those who think it is not are just making excuses. Or expressing their choice. Both of which they are free to make.

Given the choice between cheap and expensive, I’ll take cheap in this case.

If you’re paying $46 663.39 a year to run a car you’re doing something terribly wrong.

OH SH*T!

Sorry, theres an extra 6 in there!!!

$4663.39

00davist 5:01 pm 23 Nov 11

c` said :

00davist said :

How about basing the idea of bicycle rego on how much extra infrastructure they keep demanding, as opposed to what they break.

Public Policy Flag being waved.

What P*isses me off is not sharing the road, it the fact That so many cyclists DON’T, they cut in and out between roads and footpaths, pay no attention to other vehicles, and generally do whatever they want, while everyone else hast to dance around them, then they go at cars about sharing the road!

http://theconversation.edu.au/helmet-cam-captures-bike-accidents-and-could-make-cycling-safer-3540

That does not dispute the fact that some cyclists are the problem, which is what i stated.

to top of the selfish attitude, you have motorists paying through the teeth constantly in taxes (see prior list, my service costs this year alone outweigh your damn bike) while you balk at the idea of contributing $50 a year to improve your own infrastructure.

You too can choose to rise a bike as well and avoid excise, GST, and most of the servicing costs. Don’t whinge because of the choices you made.

Actually, untill 8 days ago, my work and home were over 120KM apart, you want to ride that each morning, go for it.

As it happens, I will be looking into riding to work again, as i used to before i moved that far away, However, Give me the chance to pay a rego for it, and i will, you wont see me playing monkey with the cars either.

Arrogant, ignorant, selfish bludgers!*

Bludgers indeed.

those who want, but refuse to give!

*(Sorry to those cyclists who actually know and follow the rules, pay attention to their surroundings, and use the road courteously, and as well to those who would be willing to register their bike, like the p plater doing the speed limit, or the responsible commodore, no one knows any actual figure of how many of you there are, because you glide past unnoticed)

You’re not really, because you’ve already singled me out as ‘one of them’. Come for a ride with me one day and see how many rules I break.

If you feel i singled you out, I’m sorry, i dont judge an individual but by thier own actions, it is not my intent.

I did however add that, becase i realise my blast at a portion of cyclists who do the wrong thing, should not be seen as an attack on the entire cycling community.

to clarify, I dont like bad cyclists, and i think cyclists should be taxed (i think that tax should be proportionate to the lesser cost they have on the govt though)

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