26 June 2013

Will Chicken Kev find his backbone?

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With Julia Gillard failing to have an attack of the vapours as per his cunning plan ABC News24 is reporting that a spill petition is now being circulated.

A world of change of government and machinery of government may or may not be about to descend on the Public Service here in Canberra.

Even if Rudd does get back in how could the public credibly think Labor would keep him a minute longer than needed for re-election?

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wildturkeycanoe7:24 pm 26 Jun 13

To be honest, I am not a follower of political BS, but this whole debacle is just another thing that turns me off politics. How often has Kevin07 said he will NOT oppose Julia for leadership? Now the party has turned him against her, the same way they turned against him. How can a party regain any sort of credibility after this kind of shenanigans when the folks voting aren’t interested in the back-stabbing and deceipt, but what the party actually stands for? Do we even know what their promises or lack of promises are yet, this close to the date? If only the opposition didn’t keep stabbing themselves in the belly we might have someone worth voting for.

I thought the title said Chicken Kiev at first and now I’m sorely disappointed 🙁

JC said :

If Rudd has the numbers and there is a spill, which I hope there isn’t, then surely the GG would be under all sorts of pressure to dissolve the parliament?

On what grounds? Unlike 1975 supply is not threatened and tomorrow is the last sitting day of parliament anyway*, so what would be the point of the GG dissolving the parliament?

*Of course if Rudd becomes PM again he doesn’t have to honour Gillards planned election date so if he chooses a latter date there may well be a few more sitting weeks before the poll.

If a motion on no confidence is put forward and succeeds, which is possible if cross-benchers withdraw support from the government (which at least one has indicated he will do).

If Rudd has the numbers and there is a spill, which I hope there isn’t, then surely the GG would be under all sorts of pressure to dissolve the parliament?

On what grounds? Unlike 1975 supply is not threatened and tomorrow is the last sitting day of parliament anyway*, so what would be the point of the GG dissolving the parliament?

*Of course if Rudd becomes PM again he doesn’t have to honour Gillards planned election date so if he chooses a latter date there may well be a few more sitting weeks before the poll.

Rudd wearing a blue tie. Julia won’t be happy.

7PM tonight, looks like she’s to scared to let the phones work overnight, or she’s too confident to bother letting it fester overnight.

It’s on. Again.

Holden Caulfield4:25 pm 26 Jun 13

So will voters get upset if they don’t get the chance to vote Julia out, or will they simply embrace the belated opportunity to send Kevin packing?

If Rudd grabs for the job this week, it is because he knows he would have little change getting it after the election. The only reason the Labor party (or a subset there of) are interested in him now is as an alternative to JG for the next election – after such an election there would be very little advantage to anyone running to Rudd. BUT if he takes the job now, and loses by less then JG’s predicted thumping, he might *just* hang on as leader of the opposition (assuming that Labor gets more seats then Katters Australia Party).

The things that interest me the most is if a spill happens and Rudd (or anyone else for that matter) are picked over JG, how will they go convincing the GG that they have the confidence of parliment? AND, should someone be successfully installed as a alternative Labor PM, will they change the date of the election (either bringing it forward or pushing it back?).

Bigger question Johnboy, with key cabinet members opposed to him, how do people think her can even make a go of an election with key position vacated. It takes time for Ministers to get settled, and if you remember Keating’s replacement as treasurer when he resigned following failed leadership bid, that exemplifies what will likely happen, only much worse.

If Rudd has the numbers and there is a spill, which I hope there isn’t, then surely the GG would be under all sorts of pressure to dissolve the parliament?

I don’t believe that the GG can just dissolve a government without good reason, and simply because the person holding the majority of votes by the government changes is not a good enough reason.

I was about to explain how exactly the PM is picked, but it got a little complex, so instead just trust me, come September, you have exactly zero say over who our PM actually is. All you can do is vote for the person who will be our representative in the next government. They are then the person who will decide who our PM is.

johnboy said :

watch for the compromise candidate to emerge…

Tony.

You have sat too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

switch said :

And if he wins…?

i almost laughed; but then…

[…but then i remembered – we’ll still have murdoch as prime minister of press…]

Rudd is all tip and no iceberg nothing will happen

Mallion said :

chewy14 said :

Grimm said :

Rudd would be a fking idiot to catch that hospital pass.

A deaf, blind, retarded monkey could see what the game is here. Install him as leader and blame him for the landslide hiding they are about to get.

Exactly.

How is it ‘Chicken’ to choose not to walk in front of a bus?

The only possible reason I could see for him challenging is pure revenge.

Or because he is a party man and believes he would lose less seats than Gillard?

It’s possible although I think the difference overall will be minimal. There’s only so much he can polish the turd.

And Rudd simply won’t be able to keep the numbers behind him long term. It’s a completely desperate move if they go back now.

Rudds better off waiting until after the election and even then I wouldnt think his chances are great with some of the other potentials around.

Mallion said :

chewy14 said :

Grimm said :

Rudd would be a fking idiot to catch that hospital pass.

A deaf, blind, retarded monkey could see what the game is here. Install him as leader and blame him for the landslide hiding they are about to get.

Exactly.

How is it ‘Chicken’ to choose not to walk in front of a bus?

The only possible reason I could see for him challenging is pure revenge.

Or because he is a party man and believes he would lose less seats than Gillard?

Best move would be for Rudd to let those people be cleared out, walk in as Opposition leader and from there stamp his authority and make sure that he can’t be taken down as leader until he’s ready.

He’s very foolish if he goes the the election with the way things are, why help save those who would rather dive into the abyss than have him as leader?

chewy14 said :

The only possible reason I could see for him challenging is pure revenge.

Any sympathy that he gained from being “stabbed in the back” will vanish once he does his own stabbing – albeit in the front. And he will be easy pickings for the Liberal election campaign (e.g. “vote Kevin, get Julia”).

Meanwhile, Bill Shorten is sitting back and counting the days until he takes over.

chewy14 said :

The only possible reason I could see for him challenging is pure revenge.

I reckon the best revenge he could get is to do nothing.

Sit by and watch Labor be destroyed at the election. Certain people have a bed they have made, and should be forced to sleep in it.

chewy14 said :

Grimm said :

Rudd would be a fking idiot to catch that hospital pass.

A deaf, blind, retarded monkey could see what the game is here. Install him as leader and blame him for the landslide hiding they are about to get.

Exactly.

How is it ‘Chicken’ to choose not to walk in front of a bus?

The only possible reason I could see for him challenging is pure revenge.

Or because he is a party man and believes he would lose less seats than Gillard?

Grimm said :

Rudd would be a fking idiot to catch that hospital pass.

A deaf, blind, retarded monkey could see what the game is here. Install him as leader and blame him for the landslide hiding they are about to get.

Exactly.

How is it ‘Chicken’ to choose not to walk in front of a bus?

The only possible reason I could see for him challenging is pure revenge.

And if he wins…?

Rudd would be a fking idiot to catch that hospital pass.

A deaf, blind, retarded monkey could see what the game is here. Install him as leader and blame him for the landslide hiding they are about to get.

Rudd shouldn’t take it. He should let those who deposed him reap their rewards. They hate him that much that they’d rather go like lemmings off the cliff than see him in charge again. Its a trap if he takes it up, if he fails and labor loses (not at as badly) then Gillard and Co will say ‘Look! we were right to take him out. The guy can’t win elections!’.

If he sits tight for 3 years in opposition and leads labour in another election, then he’d have a decent chance at regaining the PMship without having a front bench full of turncoats. He’ll be in a stronger position.

He should play the long game rather than the quick victory.

Anyone know how Bill Shorten is getting on with his mother in law right now?

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