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Will Zed and Katy vote for caged hens? [With Poll]

By johnboy - 28 March 2012 54

The Greens have announced a legislative push to end caged egg production in Canberra.

“The time has come for the old parties to catch up with community sentiment and support phasing out battery cage egg production,” Greens animal welfare spokesperson, Caroline Le Couteur said today.

“Factory farming eggs puts chickens in horrific conditions. They can hardly move, they can’t flap their wings, and they endure this for their whole, short life.

In 2009 the Greens were successful in a bid to require labelling of shelves in Canberra supermarkets to identify cage, barn and free-range eggs more clearly.

“I am pleased that Canberra retailers are reporting increases as high as 90 per cent in the sales of free-range eggs since new signage requirements started in mid 2009.

“Although the Greens have put similar legislation forward three times previously – the first time being in 1997, I believe that both community sentiment and market demand is has shifted and the time for change has come.

“We know that there is high demand for free-range eggs, and the Greens would like the ACT to be a significant supplier of them, rather than our major egg supplier being locked into caged egg production,” said Caroline Le Couteur MLA.

The main elements of the Animal Welfare Legislation (Factory Farming) Amendment Bill 2012 are:
· It makes it illegal to keep hens in a cage system in the ACT from 1 January 2014.
· It requires the responsible ACT Government Minister to advocate at the national level for better welfare conditions for poultry.

It will be interesting to see how Katy Gallagher and Zed Seselja explain their positions on the legislation.

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54 Responses to
Will Zed and Katy vote for caged hens? [With Poll]
breda 5:54 pm 28 Mar 12

The Greens – always on to the big issues. After being forced to admit (against their personal views) that vandalising egg farms was naughty, suddenly we have this bold public policy initiative.

Here’s a tip. Egg farmers and processors in Queanbeyan and surrounds really hope that you get your way. It won’t make a scrap of difference to the eggs we get in Canberra, but you get to feel all warm and virtuous, and they will pick up the slack.

BTW, one wonders if the Greens know the origin of the phrase ‘pecking order’ (now called bullying, which they are emphatically against). Or, perhaps, the origin of the contamination at Silo that put people in hospital (hint: f*** r***** e***).

As is customary for my comments on their latest toddler outburst …

Idiots.

chewy14 2:15 pm 28 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

If there is so much demand for free range eggs then what do we need the ban for?

Everyone has already chosen to buy them, right?

Likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery and let people make their own choices about whether or not to buy cheap bad-Karma cotton.

Yes, keeping chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery.

I’m sure African-Americans will appreciate your comparison.

That’s right – the phrase “likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery” CLEARLY means the same thing as “chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery”.

Well done for breaking the unbreakable code behind which my true meaning was hiding.

OK,
maybe I’m mistaken in what you trying to say? Can you clarify what you actually meant by the term “likewise”?

You’re trying to justify an unethical stance via an appeal to popularity. This is not a logical argument.

Unethical to you, perhaps not to others or the community at large.

I dislike the way The Greens have tried to use community sentiment as a reason for this. If community sentiment is so strong on this issue then surely no one is buying caged eggs?
They make reference to some retailers reporting increases of 90% but that statement is meaningless without the overall figures.

I think this should be more of a national issue rather than a local one and if changes are to be made it should be on a national level.
I’ve got no problem with the second part of the bill. If they want to make some submissions to improve conditions on a national level then fine. But putting the ACT at a competitive disadvantage over this issue without any national move is stupid.

BTW I buy barn and free-range eggs because I think they’re usually of better quality.

youami 2:11 pm 28 Mar 12

Free range, for the most part, doesn’t mean lush paddocks of green grass where big fat hens are free to roam at their leisure. In reality free-range simply means they get access to open air spaces, probably not full-time and most likely confined in barns at night.

Eggs are tasty though.

HenryBG 1:51 pm 28 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

If there is so much demand for free range eggs then what do we need the ban for?

Everyone has already chosen to buy them, right?

Likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery and let people make their own choices about whether or not to buy cheap bad-Karma cotton.

Yes, keeping chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery.

I’m sure African-Americans will appreciate your comparison.

That’s right – the phrase “likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery” CLEARLY means the same thing as “chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery”.

Well done for breaking the unbreakable code behind which my true meaning was hiding.

OK,
maybe I’m mistaken in what you trying to say? Can you clarify what you actually meant by the term “likewise”?

You’re trying to justify an unethical stance via an appeal to popularity. This is not a logical argument.

chewy14 1:48 pm 28 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

If there is so much demand for free range eggs then what do we need the ban for?

Everyone has already chosen to buy them, right?

Likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery and let people make their own choices about whether or not to buy cheap bad-Karma cotton.

Yes, keeping chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery.

I’m sure African-Americans will appreciate your comparison.

That’s right – the phrase “likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery” CLEARLY means the same thing as “chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery”.

Well done for breaking the unbreakable code behind which my true meaning was hiding.

OK,
maybe I’m mistaken in what you trying to say? Can you clarify what you actually meant by the term “likewise”?

HenryBG 1:44 pm 28 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

If there is so much demand for free range eggs then what do we need the ban for?

Everyone has already chosen to buy them, right?

Likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery and let people make their own choices about whether or not to buy cheap bad-Karma cotton.

Yes, keeping chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery.

I’m sure African-Americans will appreciate your comparison.

That’s right – the phrase “likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery” CLEARLY means the same thing as “chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery”.

Well done for breaking the unbreakable code behind which my true meaning was hiding.

Mysteryman 1:41 pm 28 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

If there is so much demand for free range eggs then what do we need the ban for?

Everyone has already chosen to buy them, right?

Likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery and let people make their own choices about whether or not to buy cheap bad-Karma cotton.

Yes, keeping chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery.

I’m sure African-Americans will appreciate your comparison.

+1. Nice work, HenryBG. You’ve outdone yourself yet again.

Mysteryman 1:40 pm 28 Mar 12

“The time has come for the old parties to catch up with community sentiment and support phasing out battery cage egg production,” Greens animal welfare spokesperson, Caroline Le Couteur said today.”

BS. The fact that a very large number of eggs sold are non-free range eggs suggests that a very large proportion of the community doesn’t care where their eggs come from. I’m willing to bet that the majority of egg sales are non-free range.

chewy14 1:30 pm 28 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

If there is so much demand for free range eggs then what do we need the ban for?

Everyone has already chosen to buy them, right?

Likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery and let people make their own choices about whether or not to buy cheap bad-Karma cotton.

Yes, keeping chickens in cages is EXACTLY the same as slavery.

I’m sure African-Americans will appreciate your comparison.

Bluey 1:22 pm 28 Mar 12

I suspect this will get through with the second point being amended or removed by the majors.

HenryBG 12:39 pm 28 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

If there is so much demand for free range eggs then what do we need the ban for?

Everyone has already chosen to buy them, right?

Likewise, let’s rescind the ban on slavery and let people make their own choices about whether or not to buy cheap bad-Karma cotton.

Thoroughly Smashed 12:30 pm 28 Mar 12

Primal said :

I’d be curious to see what the actual figures are for sales of cage v free range egg production. You could hardly be surprised at a lack of support for such a change if (for the sake of example) 80% of Canberra is still buying cage-laid and stating through its purchases that it doesn’t give a stuff about chook welfare.

Cigarette packet style graphic imagery on egg cartons!

chewy14 12:29 pm 28 Mar 12

If there is so much demand for free range eggs then what do we need the ban for?

Everyone has already chosen to buy them, right?

Primal 12:21 pm 28 Mar 12

I’d be curious to see what the actual figures are for sales of cage v free range egg production. You could hardly be surprised at a lack of support for such a change if (for the sake of example) 80% of Canberra is still buying cage-laid and stating through its purchases that it doesn’t give a stuff about chook welfare.

Holden Caulfield 11:53 am 28 Mar 12

This *should* be pretty straightforward.

Anyway, do we know if the Rozzers have caught up with those insane terrorists?

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