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Will Zed and Katy vote for caged hens? [With Poll]

By johnboy 28 March 2012 54

The Greens have announced a legislative push to end caged egg production in Canberra.

“The time has come for the old parties to catch up with community sentiment and support phasing out battery cage egg production,” Greens animal welfare spokesperson, Caroline Le Couteur said today.

“Factory farming eggs puts chickens in horrific conditions. They can hardly move, they can’t flap their wings, and they endure this for their whole, short life.

In 2009 the Greens were successful in a bid to require labelling of shelves in Canberra supermarkets to identify cage, barn and free-range eggs more clearly.

“I am pleased that Canberra retailers are reporting increases as high as 90 per cent in the sales of free-range eggs since new signage requirements started in mid 2009.

“Although the Greens have put similar legislation forward three times previously – the first time being in 1997, I believe that both community sentiment and market demand is has shifted and the time for change has come.

“We know that there is high demand for free-range eggs, and the Greens would like the ACT to be a significant supplier of them, rather than our major egg supplier being locked into caged egg production,” said Caroline Le Couteur MLA.

The main elements of the Animal Welfare Legislation (Factory Farming) Amendment Bill 2012 are:
· It makes it illegal to keep hens in a cage system in the ACT from 1 January 2014.
· It requires the responsible ACT Government Minister to advocate at the national level for better welfare conditions for poultry.

It will be interesting to see how Katy Gallagher and Zed Seselja explain their positions on the legislation.

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HenryBG 4:01 pm 03 Apr 12

pepmeup said :

Just check in my local coles, Coles brand cage eggs out sell caoles band free range eggs 3 to 1

Go down to Kambah Pool and you will find burnt rubber, McDonalds wrappers and used condoms strewn about the place.

Same mentality.

pepmeup 3:46 pm 03 Apr 12

Just check in my local coles, Coles brand cage eggs out sell caoles band free range eggs 3 to 1

EvanJames 10:28 am 30 Mar 12

A bit more information here:
https://animalsaustralia.qnetau.com/radio/make-the-battery-cage-history/
battery hen farming has been banned in the EU, and the UK now.

mouthface 9:30 pm 29 Mar 12

At the end of the day, they are just chickens. I don’t care. In saying that, I buy free range. And I don’t know why. I’m so confused.

Jethro 8:39 pm 29 Mar 12

Jethro said :

HenryBG said :

nicnacvb said :

Chop71 said :

Why not let the consumer decide? (ACT really is the nanny state)

A while ago society decided that steel jaw traps caused an unacceptable and unnecessary amount of suffereng to animals and so they were outlawed.

Right now, there are societies which decide that it’s a good idea to have rape victims stoned to death on account of their self-confessed “adultery”.

Sometimes, a responsible government has to step in and stop people from doing things which are unacceptable, nevermind the commercial interests involved and their spurious calls for “negotiation”.

You’re spot on throughout this thread HenryBG… people buy cage eggs because to them saving a buck or two is more important than the welfare of animals being kept in horrendous decisions. Sometimes restrictions need to be made on markets that operate on clearly unethical principals.

‘decisions’ ???? erm.. conditions.

Jethro 7:58 pm 29 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

nicnacvb said :

Chop71 said :

Why not let the consumer decide? (ACT really is the nanny state)

A while ago society decided that steel jaw traps caused an unacceptable and unnecessary amount of suffereng to animals and so they were outlawed.

Right now, there are societies which decide that it’s a good idea to have rape victims stoned to death on account of their self-confessed “adultery”.

Sometimes, a responsible government has to step in and stop people from doing things which are unacceptable, nevermind the commercial interests involved and their spurious calls for “negotiation”.

You’re spot on throughout this thread HenryBG… people buy cage eggs because to them saving a buck or two is more important than the welfare of animals being kept in horrendous decisions. Sometimes restrictions need to be made on markets that operate on clearly unethical principals.

Ben_Dover 7:25 pm 29 Mar 12

#46Jim Jones
5:28 pm, 29 Mar 12
And I, for one, am surprised it took the usual suspects this long to come out in support of animal cruelty as part of their right-wing culture war against people who drink coffee with lots of milk in it.

Ah well Jim, if you weren’t so coddled by the admins here against having to face up to opposite views it would have come a lot quicker.

Woody Mann-Caruso 6:11 pm 29 Mar 12

Either way, there is clearly still debate over the issue.

Ah, ‘debate’. The catch cry of the moral coward who wants to continue to do whatever’s convenient for them while making it sound like science.

Jim Jones 5:28 pm 29 Mar 12

Mysteryman said :

I, for one, am surprised it took this long for Jim Jones to come out with the usual “I’m right and if you don’t agree with me you’re clearly an idiot” claptrap.

And I, for one, am surprised it took the usual suspects this long to come out in support of animal cruelty as part of their right-wing culture war against people who drink coffee with lots of milk in it.

EvanJames 5:01 pm 29 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

It does affects the analogy. You can’t use a black and white issue for our society like slavery or rape and then say the same applies to a grey area like keeping chickens in cages.

This isn’t about keeping chickens in cages. It’s about crushing many chickens into very small cages, with wire floors (not solid), clipping their beaks off, and keeping them there, pumping out eggs, with the lights on, day and night until they’re not pumping out enough eggs, whereupon they’re slaughtered. It’s repugnant to most people who don’t try to whitewash the inherent cruelty of it.

Mysteryman 4:43 pm 29 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

No. Nor did the poster say that the cruelty say or imply that it was the same level of cruelty. This doesn’t effect his/her analogy – it’s still perfectly valid.

Nor would I dream of using the difference in level or cruelty as an excuse for continued animal cruelty.

It does affects the analogy. You can’t use a black and white issue for our society like slavery or rape and then say the same applies to a grey area like keeping chickens in cages.

They aren’t comparable on any level.

+1. The implication of an equivalent level of cruelty was obvious, and it was a stupid analogy.

    johnboy 4:56 pm 29 Mar 12

    Look chicken torture fanciers I’m making a ruling here.

    To point out one instance where governments have regulated to end cruelty rather than wait for consumers to choose cruelty free practices (as in the case of slavery) is valid without in any way conflating or comparing the suffering of slaves with that of battery hens.

    So let’s all move the argument on if you’ve got anything new to say.

Chop71 4:42 pm 29 Mar 12

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

No. Nor did the poster say that the cruelty say or imply that it was the same level of cruelty. This doesn’t effect his/her analogy – it’s still perfectly valid.

Nor would I dream of using the difference in level or cruelty as an excuse for continued animal cruelty.

It does affects the analogy. You can’t use a black and white issue for our society like slavery or rape and then say the same applies to a grey area like keeping chickens in cages.

They aren’t comparable on any level.

And as I said previously, different people have different definitions of what constitutes animal cruelty.

If the Greens want to use community sentiment as a reason for this, then they should not use misleading statements like a 90% increase in the sale of free range eggs at some retailers.

Bollocks. The argument was laid out clear as day: there are instances of cruelty that clearly required government intervention because ‘the market will sort it out itself’ is the most utter epic fail of an idea that anyone has ever had.

If you don’t think that cage eggs involves animal cruelty, then you’re either uninformed or delusional.

As for the ra ra ra Greens ra ra ra … really, give it a rest. The entire RiotACT site is full of the ‘herp derp communist Greens are gonna roon us herp derp’ nonsense. That’s not an argument.

If you have evidence that the claim about rise in rates of people buying non-cage eggs from some retailers are false, then by all means present your case.

Community sentiment *is* clearly behind eliminating animal cruelty. The only people supporting caged egg production are nutjob libertarians and people who say things like ‘they’re only chickens, who cares’ (oddly enough, these are the same people who go into a lynch-mob frenzy in threads about cruelty to domestic animals).

Honestly, how vile a person would someone be to oppose moves to reduce animal cruelty based on free market ideology.

wow, that’s a big horse you’re on

Mysteryman 4:42 pm 29 Mar 12

I, for one, am surprised it took this long for Jim Jones to come out with the usual “I’m right and if you don’t agree with me you’re clearly an idiot” claptrap.

Jim Jones said :

Community sentiment *is* clearly behind eliminating animal cruelty.

Yep. You’re probably right. But the argument is about what constitutes “cruelty” – presumably the continued sales of a large proportion of cage eggs is evidence that either the greater public don’t think that the chickens are being treated cruelly, or they are ignorant to the conditions of the chickens.

Either way, there is clearly still debate over the issue.

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