Won’t someone think of the Trannies? Cries Simon

johnboy 9 July 2012 151

Simon Corbell has released the ACT Law Reform Advisory Council’s report: Beyond the Binary: legal recognition of sex and gender diversity in the ACT. He’s been sitting on it since March.

The report recommends a focus on the need for correct and consistent terminology for sex and gender diverse people in ACT legislation and government documentation to enable equal access to services for all people in the Territory.

The report urges a reconsideration of the current policy and procedures to give legal recognition to a persons’ sex or gender identity.

It also calls for the relaxation of criteria that must be met for a person to change their legal sex and gender status.


UPDATE 09/07/12 16:57: The Greens are pointing out that this stuff was largely recommended in 2003 and maybe now would be a good time to do something about it.


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Fliponout Fliponout 4:10 pm 20 Aug 12

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Bretty12:59 pm, 20 Aug 12

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Your a Tool GAY RIGHT GROUP lol ……Get your facts i just did on there website and spoke with a few gay freinds who love the idea and support the end of homophobia.
Their is one person blowing his own horn at this group in their community and that he was not involed in the set up… öld Queen who got his pants in a twist. Think you should check your Facts before you open your mouth. and Dates and whats going on ?

p1 p1 3:49 pm 20 Aug 12

Bretty said :

The majority of community groups do not go to the government asking for grants AND also for a venue to hold their meetings. Other groups would love to have their own place to call their own, instead of having to book rooms in libraries and halls.

I wasn’t making judgement on this specific case – I have zero person knowledge about how well they represent the community. I’m just saying it can be very hard for a person in the government structure, who is assessing grant applications, to know what sort of genuine community involvement an org might have. They can try and assess it based on membership numbers etc, but those things are easily fudged (cough) hospital emergency department (cough).

Bretty Bretty 2:53 pm 20 Aug 12

p1 said :

Bretty said :

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Sadly, I think you will find this happens with every single community made up of people who are part of said community by self identification.

Fund a cycling group, motor sport group, an indigenous group, a green group, etc and you will have a lycra clad weirdo, rev head, person who identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, or greenie complaining that the group getting the funding doesn’t represent the *real* core of the community.

p1 said :

Bretty said :

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Sadly, I think you will find this happens with every single community made up of people who are part of said community by self identification.

Fund a cycling group, motor sport group, an indigenous group, a green group, etc and you will have a lycra clad weirdo, rev head, person who identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, or greenie complaining that the group getting the funding doesn’t represent the *real* core of the community.

The majority of community groups do not go to the government asking for grants AND also for a venue to hold their meetings. Other groups would love to have their own place to call their own, instead of having to book rooms in libraries and halls.

p1 p1 1:42 pm 20 Aug 12

Bretty said :

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Sadly, I think you will find this happens with every single community made up of people who are part of said community by self identification.

Fund a cycling group, motor sport group, an indigenous group, a green group, etc and you will have a lycra clad weirdo, rev head, person who identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, or greenie complaining that the group getting the funding doesn’t represent the *real* core of the community.

Bretty Bretty 12:59 pm 20 Aug 12

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Here_and_Now Here_and_Now 2:37 pm 27 Jul 12

p1 said :

I have been thinking recently about the part of this thread debating the changing or reissuing of birth certificates with “corrected” information. I am a little torn on this issue – on one hand I appreciate the trouble and conflict this could cause some individuals – on the other hand I tend to subscribe to the “it’s a historical document, it was accurate at the time and shouldn’t be revised” attitude.

So, having thought about it a little it occurs to me that almost all the information on a birth certificate is just as changeable as the gender (interestingly, on my birth certificate, it says “sex” not gender – and that was very specifically accurate at birth).

My name is the same, but I could easily change that;
The hospital I was born in has changed name;
My mothers (& fathers) ages are no longer what they were;
My fathers job at the time is no longer called that;
My fathers job has also changed since then;
etc; etc; etc;

Now, I know that I am dangerously close to making a “slippery slope” type argument, but if this is a document which is supposed to reflect the truth at the time, I don’t believe it should be changed.

That said, I don’t see why the government can’t issue some sort of identity document to perform all the same functions as a birth certificate, but stating the identity of the person as at a specific date.

If you change your name, they actually give you a new birth certificate with your new name on it, so it’s something changeable already. (I think it says your old name on it on the back or something, though.)

An alternate ID form could be an idea, but the real trouble is turning that into a recognised ID form. I’ve even had a perfectly-valid proof-of-age card denied as photo ID. If the identifiers we have already aren’t being accepted, adding a new one probably won’t help matters.

Baldy Baldy 2:02 pm 18 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

p1 said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

I don’t think picts were painting themselves in woad as a statement of gender identification.

Conjecture. What is obvious is that blue was not a symbol of femininity to them.

With the picts (and their choice of colours for body art) being somehow an overarching example which proves that blue couldn’t possible be popular with girls in many other cultures/times?

Who push bad non-existent science here?

Maybe the picts associate combat with femininity, so when going to war they paint themselves all girly?

And that’s how it’s done – all you need is one “maybe” and PhD’s can be churned out on the back of fact-free jargonised assertions.

I can’t believe you just dismissed someones opinion based soley on them doing exactly the same thing you did in the first place.

Interesting comment considering all your comments are unfounded assumptions about how life should be according to you.

If you dislike others putting forward their views and theories about subjects could I suggest starting to link to credible sources that show that your views are not just assumptions.

HenryBG HenryBG 1:16 pm 18 Jul 12

p1 said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

I don’t think picts were painting themselves in woad as a statement of gender identification.

Conjecture. What is obvious is that blue was not a symbol of femininity to them.

With the picts (and their choice of colours for body art) being somehow an overarching example which proves that blue couldn’t possible be popular with girls in many other cultures/times?

Who push bad non-existent science here?

Maybe the picts associate combat with femininity, so when going to war they paint themselves all girly?

And that’s how it’s done – all you need is one “maybe” and PhD’s can be churned out on the back of fact-free jargonised assertions.

Baldy Baldy 1:08 pm 18 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

I don’t think picts were painting themselves in woad as a statement of gender identification.

Conjecture. What is obvious is that blue was not a symbol of femininity to them.

This is the great thing about Social “science” – unlike real science, you just ignore the Picts and make crap up about colours and gender identification and use some post-modern “nothing’s actually wrong, there is no such thing as facts” justification if anybody calls you on your bull%#$@.

I think you are taking a huge leap in assumption by associating your modern values on a race that has not existed for centuries and left very little to no information about their society, thoughts, customs or reasoning.

Baldy Baldy 1:02 pm 18 Jul 12

troll-sniffer said :

M Rose said :

A lot of transgendered people find that term to be heinously offensive, particularly when used by someone outside the community. If we changed the topic of this article to homosexual rights, I would equate this title with “Won’t someone think of the f—-ts/d–es? Cries Simon” Is that something you would be likely to write?

It never ceases to amaze me how many minority groups choose to be offended by words. The degree of outrage also appears to be generally in proportion to the marginalisation of the group, almost as though they wear their offence as a badge of honour.

The old adage… sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me, drummed into our pliant little skulls from pre-school times, was one of the sagest pieces of advice I ever received. It’s a pity more of these overly sensitive trannies and the like don’t pay more attention to similar pearls of wisdom.

I think that you will find it is not the word itself, which is just a string of letters defining a sound, but the intention that is used behind the words.

Using the word “Trannies” is usually associated with ones of anger and threats of violence (which is sometimes back up by actual violence) and therefore is not, to the person who the word is generally aimed at, a friendly word and thus offensive to them. That is what people have against the word that you seem to think nothing of, the treat of violence and anger towards them.

For those who earlier who can’t understand why it is ok for some people to use and not others (In community/outside community) the same thing applies. In a community the word is used in a friendly manner by someone who understands the implication and the threat behind the words and make light of them. Reclaiming the word for themselves. Outside and the intent, even if it is from a sympathetic person, aren’t clear as they don’t understand the problems that come with the label.

Not understanding the issues behind the use of certain words is an indication that you don’t understand the issues and haven’t put much thought in trying to understand where someone is coming from. That is something we all do to the various minority groups in the word. We can’t all understand everyone’s point of view. But sometimes we should all stop thinking about ourselves and try and understand the other side of the arguement.

On saying that, I can’t get my head around the bigots in this thread that don’t try and see other peoples point f views and want to enforce their life onto everyone else just because they can’t cope with someone who is different from themselves.

DrKoresh DrKoresh 12:31 pm 18 Jul 12

Mr Gillespie said :

Another “reform” we don’t need, this is getting out of control. ACT (Labor/Greens Coalition) Self Government is becoming the laughing stock of Australia!

Thanks for visiting us from whatever planet it is you live on Mr. G, I was wondering where you’d got to.
You understand that the proposed reforms are to bring us in line with the rest of the country don’t you? You’re becoming the laughing stock of RA.

p1 p1 12:09 pm 18 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

I don’t think picts were painting themselves in woad as a statement of gender identification.

Conjecture. What is obvious is that blue was not a symbol of femininity to them.

With the picts (and their choice of colours for body art) being somehow an overarching example which proves that blue couldn’t possible be popular with girls in many other cultures/times?

Who push bad non-existent science here?

Maybe the picts associate combat with femininity, so when going to war they paint themselves all girly?

HenryBG HenryBG 11:10 am 18 Jul 12

johnboy said :

I don’t think picts were painting themselves in woad as a statement of gender identification.

Conjecture. What is obvious is that blue was not a symbol of femininity to them.

This is the great thing about Social “science” – unlike real science, you just ignore the Picts and make crap up about colours and gender identification and use some post-modern “nothing’s actually wrong, there is no such thing as facts” justification if anybody calls you on your bull%#$@.

poetix poetix 10:34 am 18 Jul 12

johnboy said :

I don’t think picts were painting themselves in woad as a statement of gender identification.

This site, however, sells ‘woad balls for demonstration and display’:

http://www.woad.org.uk/html/woad_paints.html

But the balls are disappointingly brown, leaving the argument up in the air.

p1 p1 9:50 am 18 Jul 12

I have been thinking recently about the part of this thread debating the changing or reissuing of birth certificates with “corrected” information. I am a little torn on this issue – on one hand I appreciate the trouble and conflict this could cause some individuals – on the other hand I tend to subscribe to the “it’s a historical document, it was accurate at the time and shouldn’t be revised” attitude.

So, having thought about it a little it occurs to me that almost all the information on a birth certificate is just as changeable as the gender (interestingly, on my birth certificate, it says “sex” not gender – and that was very specifically accurate at birth).

My name is the same, but I could easily change that;
The hospital I was born in has changed name;
My mothers (& fathers) ages are no longer what they were;
My fathers job at the time is no longer called that;
My fathers job has also changed since then;
etc; etc; etc;

Now, I know that I am dangerously close to making a “slippery slope” type argument, but if this is a document which is supposed to reflect the truth at the time, I don’t believe it should be changed.

That said, I don’t see why the government can’t issue some sort of identity document to perform all the same functions as a birth certificate, but stating the identity of the person as at a specific date.

HenryBG HenryBG 9:50 am 18 Jul 12

poetix said :

HenryBG said :


And girls like pink…

The association of girls with pink is quite a recent phenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink#In_gender

Amusingly, there is a far longer association of femininity with the colour blue.   These things change.

Yes, who can forget all those pictish warriors who painted themselves with blue woad. Very feminine.

    johnboy johnboy 9:54 am 18 Jul 12

    I don’t think picts were painting themselves in woad as a statement of gender identification.

poetix poetix 8:49 am 18 Jul 12

HenryBG said :


And girls like pink…

The association of girls with pink is quite a recent phenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink#In_gender

Amusingly, there is a far longer association of femininity with the colour blue.   These things change.

troll-sniffer troll-sniffer 11:20 pm 17 Jul 12

M Rose said :

A lot of transgendered people find that term to be heinously offensive, particularly when used by someone outside the community. If we changed the topic of this article to homosexual rights, I would equate this title with “Won’t someone think of the f—-ts/d–es? Cries Simon” Is that something you would be likely to write?

It never ceases to amaze me how many minority groups choose to be offended by words. The degree of outrage also appears to be generally in proportion to the marginalisation of the group, almost as though they wear their offence as a badge of honour.

The old adage… sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me, drummed into our pliant little skulls from pre-school times, was one of the sagest pieces of advice I ever received. It’s a pity more of these overly sensitive trannies and the like don’t pay more attention to similar pearls of wisdom.

HenryBG HenryBG 10:11 pm 17 Jul 12

Thumper said :

Jim Jones said :

History isn’t a series of facts. Understanding of history changes on an incredibly regular basis, there’s nothing ‘wrong’ about this.

History is a series of facts, it’s the interpretation that changes, unless of course, evidence comes to light to say otherwise.

And there you have it in a nutshell: the difference between the idiot Arts-undergraduate approach to reality; and reality.

Thumper deserves a medal for that catch – truly awesome.

HenryBG HenryBG 10:08 pm 17 Jul 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Wow, racism now. Stay classy, bro.

So you’re denying that Greek women (to name one group) are over-endowed with hirsutism genes?

Kristoff said :

Actually, the sex/gender divide (the theory being that sex is the canvas onto which society paints gender) has been heavily contested by gender theorists. Both terms have social implications, and the notion of objective biological sex is not universally agreed upon by academics. Over history, we have distinguished everything from two to eight ‘objective’ sexes.

Precisely.
%$#@wits lacking the intellect to do anything worthwhile at Uni enrol in crap like “Gender studies” or “Social Science” and create spurious fields of study and argument, generating reams of constructed jargon to create the illusion of a justification for what they are doing.

People with a brain understand that sex in our species is determined by chromosomes. And girls like pink. A sad fact that in one fell swoop renders all your years of study completely useless, redundant, and meaningless.

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