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Won’t someone think of the Trannies? Cries Simon

By johnboy 9 July 2012 151

Simon Corbell has released the ACT Law Reform Advisory Council’s report: Beyond the Binary: legal recognition of sex and gender diversity in the ACT. He’s been sitting on it since March.

The report recommends a focus on the need for correct and consistent terminology for sex and gender diverse people in ACT legislation and government documentation to enable equal access to services for all people in the Territory.

The report urges a reconsideration of the current policy and procedures to give legal recognition to a persons’ sex or gender identity.

It also calls for the relaxation of criteria that must be met for a person to change their legal sex and gender status.


UPDATE 09/07/12 16:57: The Greens are pointing out that this stuff was largely recommended in 2003 and maybe now would be a good time to do something about it.


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Fliponout 4:10 pm 20 Aug 12

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Bretty12:59 pm, 20 Aug 12

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Your a Tool GAY RIGHT GROUP lol ……Get your facts i just did on there website and spoke with a few gay freinds who love the idea and support the end of homophobia.
Their is one person blowing his own horn at this group in their community and that he was not involed in the set up… öld Queen who got his pants in a twist. Think you should check your Facts before you open your mouth. and Dates and whats going on ?

p1 3:49 pm 20 Aug 12

Bretty said :

The majority of community groups do not go to the government asking for grants AND also for a venue to hold their meetings. Other groups would love to have their own place to call their own, instead of having to book rooms in libraries and halls.

I wasn’t making judgement on this specific case – I have zero person knowledge about how well they represent the community. I’m just saying it can be very hard for a person in the government structure, who is assessing grant applications, to know what sort of genuine community involvement an org might have. They can try and assess it based on membership numbers etc, but those things are easily fudged (cough) hospital emergency department (cough).

Bretty 2:53 pm 20 Aug 12

p1 said :

Bretty said :

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Sadly, I think you will find this happens with every single community made up of people who are part of said community by self identification.

Fund a cycling group, motor sport group, an indigenous group, a green group, etc and you will have a lycra clad weirdo, rev head, person who identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, or greenie complaining that the group getting the funding doesn’t represent the *real* core of the community.

p1 said :

Bretty said :

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Sadly, I think you will find this happens with every single community made up of people who are part of said community by self identification.

Fund a cycling group, motor sport group, an indigenous group, a green group, etc and you will have a lycra clad weirdo, rev head, person who identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, or greenie complaining that the group getting the funding doesn’t represent the *real* core of the community.

The majority of community groups do not go to the government asking for grants AND also for a venue to hold their meetings. Other groups would love to have their own place to call their own, instead of having to book rooms in libraries and halls.

p1 1:42 pm 20 Aug 12

Bretty said :

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Sadly, I think you will find this happens with every single community made up of people who are part of said community by self identification.

Fund a cycling group, motor sport group, an indigenous group, a green group, etc and you will have a lycra clad weirdo, rev head, person who identifies as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, or greenie complaining that the group getting the funding doesn’t represent the *real* core of the community.

Bretty 12:59 pm 20 Aug 12

Watch out on September 1 as Andrew Barr will announce funding for a Gay Rights group here in the Capital. Diversity ACT have used an election year to grab some public money and a govt funded venue (in Kambah) from the ACT goverment to splash out on sequins in the name of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queers of Canberra. This pseudo group claim to represent ACT queers under their name but haven’t engaged with many, all in a bid to end homophobia. All they have done so far is divided this vibrant community.

Here_and_Now 2:37 pm 27 Jul 12

p1 said :

I have been thinking recently about the part of this thread debating the changing or reissuing of birth certificates with “corrected” information. I am a little torn on this issue – on one hand I appreciate the trouble and conflict this could cause some individuals – on the other hand I tend to subscribe to the “it’s a historical document, it was accurate at the time and shouldn’t be revised” attitude.

So, having thought about it a little it occurs to me that almost all the information on a birth certificate is just as changeable as the gender (interestingly, on my birth certificate, it says “sex” not gender – and that was very specifically accurate at birth).

My name is the same, but I could easily change that;
The hospital I was born in has changed name;
My mothers (& fathers) ages are no longer what they were;
My fathers job at the time is no longer called that;
My fathers job has also changed since then;
etc; etc; etc;

Now, I know that I am dangerously close to making a “slippery slope” type argument, but if this is a document which is supposed to reflect the truth at the time, I don’t believe it should be changed.

That said, I don’t see why the government can’t issue some sort of identity document to perform all the same functions as a birth certificate, but stating the identity of the person as at a specific date.

If you change your name, they actually give you a new birth certificate with your new name on it, so it’s something changeable already. (I think it says your old name on it on the back or something, though.)

An alternate ID form could be an idea, but the real trouble is turning that into a recognised ID form. I’ve even had a perfectly-valid proof-of-age card denied as photo ID. If the identifiers we have already aren’t being accepted, adding a new one probably won’t help matters.

Baldy 2:02 pm 18 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

p1 said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

I don’t think picts were painting themselves in woad as a statement of gender identification.

Conjecture. What is obvious is that blue was not a symbol of femininity to them.

With the picts (and their choice of colours for body art) being somehow an overarching example which proves that blue couldn’t possible be popular with girls in many other cultures/times?

Who push bad non-existent science here?

Maybe the picts associate combat with femininity, so when going to war they paint themselves all girly?

And that’s how it’s done – all you need is one “maybe” and PhD’s can be churned out on the back of fact-free jargonised assertions.

I can’t believe you just dismissed someones opinion based soley on them doing exactly the same thing you did in the first place.

Interesting comment considering all your comments are unfounded assumptions about how life should be according to you.

If you dislike others putting forward their views and theories about subjects could I suggest starting to link to credible sources that show that your views are not just assumptions.

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