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Would you pay to use the Majura Parkway?

By johnboy - 5 July 2011 77

The ABC has the alarming news that Infrastructure Australia is proposing the Majura Parkway be a toll road.

Infrastructure Australia’s annual report to the Council of Australian Governments says the Majura Parkway is a nationally significant project, and should be tolled to ensure a reasonable proportion of building and maintenance costs are recovered.

Michael Deegan from Infrastructure Australia says the road could also accommodate bigger trucks.

“On a new, modern Majura Parkway we’d recommend moving to bigger trucks because they’re more efficient,” he said.

Mr Deegan acknowledges it is a controversial issue, but he says a per kilometre toll is necessary.

Should we have toll roads in the ACT?

UPDATE: The Greens’ Amanda Bresnan has expressed dissatisfaction at this announcement:

Greens transport spokesperson, Amanda Bresnan, said that this potential toll was one of many issues about the road that the Government had failed to tell the public.

“I’d like to see the Government be frank with the public about a whole range of issues surrounding the proposed Majura freeway, including whether it proposes to impose a toll on the road,” said Ms Bresnan.

“We have already seen the Government ignore a number of serious questions such as the impacts the proposed freeway would have on future congestion and transport options. The Government and the Liberals recently denied a Greens’ Assembly motion to ensure scrutiny of these issues. ”

“It is interesting to see a body like Infrastructure Australia suggesting that we can’t keep relying on major road building; today its spokesperson said we need to increase the capacity of our public transport, otherwise be prepared to pay more tolls and taxes for roads”.

“The ACT Government should examine the issue of whether high speed public transport will bring better solutions for commuters than a new Majura Freeway, as well as if the public would prefer public transport over a tolled freeway”.

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77 Responses to
Would you pay to use the Majura Parkway?
molongloid 3:35 pm 05 Jul 11

No!

(Hang on Greens. Keep your story straight. Only a few weeks ago the Greens were saying that the new road would encourage additional traffic onto Canberra roads and that this was bad. Surely a toll prevents this?)

troll-sniffer 3:29 pm 05 Jul 11

Someone tell this tool that the role of gubmnt is to provide this sort of infrastructure out of the taxes levies and charges that we all pay. IF a few more cents per week has to come out of Canberrans pockets to ensure roads like this are built for the good of all, so be it.

When the F3 and F5 roads were built, they were massively expensive. So expensive that today’s corrupt Macquarie Bank puppet gubmnts would almost certainly designate them as toll roads.

What the halfwits responsible for these short-sighted proposals forget is that overall the community gets more back in saved productivity and fuel than the cost of these roads. For instance I believe that the F5 freeway to Mittagong was assessed as having been ‘paid for’ in fuel savings alone in just three years.

I’d be happy to have a couple of cents per litre of my fuel in Canberra added and earmarked specifically for fuel saving road initiatives such as the proposed Majura Parkway. Then again i support the introduction of a carbon pricing scheme so I’m probably at odds with the selfish majority in Australia.

Postalgeek 3:28 pm 05 Jul 11

Diggety said :

Make cyclists pay rego.

Good luck with that.

Diggety 3:24 pm 05 Jul 11

Make cyclists pay rego.

Diggety 3:23 pm 05 Jul 11

Pork Hunt said :

I have recently returned home after working in Brisbane for 2 months.
Up there they have nice roads they charge tolls for.
Down here we have crap roads and no tolls.

1. There are always at minimum two alternate routes for each toll road.
2. The latest toll projects; namely CLEM 7- tunnel, and Go-Between-Bridge are both flops, so extra speed cameras have been installed.

I’ve just finished reading this report* (part of a wider money grab for the Federal Government) and there is no chance in hell the public will allow their recommendations.

* http://www.infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/2011_coag/files/2011_Report_to_COAG.pdf

Sgt.Bungers 2:58 pm 05 Jul 11

Why toll it?

Chances are, it will be built to a dual carriageway standard that would end up with a posted speed limit of 80km/h, with obscure, small speed limit signs placed behind other signs… then enforced with point to point cameras. Plenty of revenue will be made that way 🙂

actroads.org

Pork Hunt 2:50 pm 05 Jul 11

I have recently returned home after working in Brisbane for 2 months.
Up there they have nice roads they charge tolls for.
Down here we have crap roads and no tolls.

RedDogInCan 2:40 pm 05 Jul 11

Innovation said :

Personally, I say bring it on!!! More tolls on that road (and even tolls or congestion charges on other existing roads) might help control traffic flow, introduce another source of revenue and, ideally, allow our existing taxes to be spent elsewhere.

Be careful what you wish for. The following is a quote from the Forward Design Study for the soon to be introduced point to point speed cameras:

2.3.1 Road User Charging

Potentially, the ANPR cameras used in a P2P system could, in the future, be used to support road tolling, road user charging, and congestion charging schemes. The ANPR camera is essential to the enforcement role in systems that use electronic transponders (such as toll roads or the Stockholm congestion charge) by capturing images of vehicles that have not paid the charge or have paid an incorrect charge for the type of vehicle.

Alternatively, ANPR may be used as the sole technology in the charging scheme. For instance the central London Congestion Charge relies solely on a ring of ANPR cameras around central London to record the licence plates of vehicles entering, exiting or travelling in the congestion charge zone. These records are then compared against vehicles that have registered to pay the charge.

Bosworth 2:39 pm 05 Jul 11

No

deye 2:36 pm 05 Jul 11

Since it’s meant to be a freight route to take trucks out of the centre of town, would the freight companies be willing to pay the toll, or would they bypass it ?

Innovation 2:21 pm 05 Jul 11

Doesn’t it depend on the amount of the possible toll?

Personally, I say bring it on!!! More tolls on that road (and even tolls or congestion charges on other existing roads) might help control traffic flow, introduce another source of revenue and, ideally, allow our existing taxes to be spent elsewhere.

Also, many of us pay tolls in NSW, Victoria and Qld when we are there. Why shouldn’t drivers from those states pay for using our roads – especially all of those NSW drivers that will use Majura Road to get around Canberra?

alaninoz 2:14 pm 05 Jul 11

Toll roads in the ACT would quickly go broke. There isn’t enough traffic to make them pay, and it would be too easy to avoid them.

Diggety 2:12 pm 05 Jul 11

Tolls must be set before roads are proposed.

And if you are an incompetent Government addicted to reckless spending of other peoples money, you should be removed before doing more damage.

Simple.

harvyk1 2:02 pm 05 Jul 11

One of the nice things about the ACT is we don’t have toll roads…
Personally I’m against toll roads… The way I see it is we’re already charged a toll for using roads, in the form of taxes and registration…

If they want to make roads toll roads I expect to see a discount for my cars rego \ my tax bill…

The Frots 1:47 pm 05 Jul 11

Let me see – would I like to pay a toll for this?

Okay, I’ve thought about it. No.

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