You drink, we drive?

Dacquiri 9 June 2012 47

While I really don’t mind that my 22yr old son asks me to drive him around so that he doesn’t drive home after he’s been drinking — sign of a well-brought-up kid, and one of those times to be thankful that Canberra is so easy to get around — it did make me wonder why the need for this kind of service hasn’t been met.

This issue was discussed in posts in 2010, in the context of cars being ticketed on Saturday mornings after having been left there all night rather than drivers risking driving them home, but is there actually a Canberra service that will take you and your car home (and drop off your friends along the way)? If not, why not? These services operate in one of 2 ways: a driver turns up with a fold-away scooter, drives you and your car home, and then scoots off to the next client; or another driver drops off and picks up your driver. Such services exist in Scotland (http://www.scootltd.co.uk/), South Africa (https://www.gfellas.co.za/), India (http://www.drivespark.com/news/2012/05/02-skoda-you-drink-we-drive.html), and throughout the USA (http://www.drinkinganddriving.org/tools/services.html), including my home town (http://www.stldd.com/).

There is some evidence of these services popping up around Australia, including Perth (http://www.perthdesignateddrivers.com/apps/blog/show/6673620-perth-s-atrocious-attitudes-towards-drink-driving-) and the Hills District of Sydney (http://www.mynrma.com.au/members/member-benefit/u-drink-we-drive-u-home.htm).

However, services that charge crazy fees like this (http://www.dialadriver.net.au/) are not exactly going to capture the youth market, or even the girls from work who’ve had a few too many on a Friday night.


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devils_advocate devils_advocate 10:53 am 20 May 13

There are plenty of parking spots in the civic area that are not paid parking on Saturday morning. Some of them might require a 5-minute walk.

You can sleep in with peace of mind and catch a bus into the city in the afternoon to pick up your car.

If you are concerned about your car getting vandalised or stolen, they have this thing called insurance (not that I have ever had to call upon my insurance policy in the circumstances outlined above). If you can’t afford to lock your car and walk away of a night without worrying about it, you can’t afford your car.

Finally, in terms of taxi costs, travel costs (to drinking venues, to work, etc) is something you should have factored in when choosing a place to live. Choosing a place to live includes choosing to continue living at your parent’s house. And don’t give me this “my son did sociology” crap. Doing arts degrees is a luxury of the independently wealthy. If he’s not already rich, he can go and do a finance or law degree like the rest of us poor slobs that have to work for a living.

In summary, it’s not that hard.

/rant

PrestigeDialaDriver PrestigeDialaDriver 9:59 am 20 May 13

DrKoresh said :

milkman said :

mattapalooza said :

I think a taxi from Civic to Banks is something like $80 one way….surely that can’t even be an option for the kiddies!

If they can afford to buy drinks at club prices, they can afford to make their own way home. Let’s not forget, these are not kids.

Not many of us can, actually. Also, pre-drinking is where it’s at, cheaper than buying it inside.

If you catch a taxi home you still have the issue of retrieving your vehicle the following day! Running the risk that your vehicle may be damaged or stolen whilst parked overnight at the venue. To retrieve your vehicle the following day, you are either going to inconvenience a friend or family member to drop you off at your vehicle, in order to drive it home, or you’re going to catch another taxi.

You are STILL running the risk of being DUI the following morning, if you are pulled up at an RBT. Have you not realized and seen more & more RBT’s operating in the mornings now?

There are now 2 dial a driver services operating in Canberra available to help, and get you home safely, with your vehicle. Can you really put a price on someone’s life?

Dacquiri Dacquiri 10:30 pm 24 Aug 12

Well well well… guess what? Looks like a ‘we’ll drive you home’ service in Canberra. See: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/desirable-business-gets-drunks-home-safely-20120824-24s8n.html Its success will rely on that essential combination of price, availability and service.

boffins boffins 3:20 pm 15 Jun 12

I know I’m a bit late to reply, but just in case the OP is still checking this – There is a service in Canberra for this. It’s just started up and it’s ‘Dial-a-Desi’. http://www.dial-a-desi.com.au/

DrKoresh DrKoresh 12:42 pm 12 Jun 12

Thumper said :

poetix said :

DrKoresh said :

Sandman said :

Kids these days are obviously amateur drinkers and have never heard of things like Panelvan’s. I never had to leave my car and find my way home after an unexpected big night when in my 20’s. Saturday morning parking? No worries. That was about the time that the bacon and egg cravings came on so a couple of coins in the meter was all that was needed. There were other social benefits associated with the panelvan as well, but I’m sure I don’t need to elaborate on the details of that.

As someone in their early 20’s today all I can say is (somewhat facetiously): What the Hell is a panelvan?

No, I’m kidding, I know of them, from way back hundreds of years ago in the 80’s. But seriously, where can you BUY one in this day and age?

Young people today. Can’t even Google things for themselves….Here are a few panelvans.
http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-cars/HOLDEN/SANDMAN/model-make.htm

Prepare to be shocked by the prices.

Thankfully, I possess a pano.

Best thing ever if you’re out on the piss.

I don’t even have my license 🙁 So I catch a bus or crash at a mates place when I do go out. I’m more of a homebody though, much prefer to be home with my missus :3

Thumper Thumper 12:35 pm 12 Jun 12

poetix said :

DrKoresh said :

Sandman said :

Kids these days are obviously amateur drinkers and have never heard of things like Panelvan’s. I never had to leave my car and find my way home after an unexpected big night when in my 20’s. Saturday morning parking? No worries. That was about the time that the bacon and egg cravings came on so a couple of coins in the meter was all that was needed. There were other social benefits associated with the panelvan as well, but I’m sure I don’t need to elaborate on the details of that.

As someone in their early 20’s today all I can say is (somewhat facetiously): What the Hell is a panelvan?

No, I’m kidding, I know of them, from way back hundreds of years ago in the 80’s. But seriously, where can you BUY one in this day and age?

Young people today. Can’t even Google things for themselves….Here are a few panelvans.
http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-cars/HOLDEN/SANDMAN/model-make.htm

Prepare to be shocked by the prices.

Thankfully, I possess a pano.

Best thing ever if you’re out on the piss.

MsCheeky MsCheeky 12:18 pm 12 Jun 12

Dacquiri, you’re really copping a caning here! I agree with you that it’s a good sign in your kid. My lad rarely ever drinks, so provided many a ride home to many an over the limit friend or acquaintance when he lived in Canberra. On the rare occasion that he asked me for a lift home from Civic at 5 or 6am, I was happy to oblige. He just called me when he was ready, and I went in from Jerra.

Taxis were hard to get at that hour, particularly for 3 or 4 young people with a few drinks on board. That’s no criticism of the taxi drivers, mind you – I’d be pretty cautious under the same circumstances given the stabby and/or cranky nature of some of the guys they pick up.

I was happy to swing by Tuggers to drop the drunk girl, very happy to drop by Queanbeyan to drop the drunk guy (especially to stop the ‘I love you, man, you’re the best mate ever.’ conversation in the back seat), and I reckon the parents of those people would have been pretty happy too, to know their offspring were getting home safely. I’m guessing a taxi, when/if they could have caught one, doing the same run would easily have been $100, and that’s a big lump of money in anyone’s language.

And my kid was happy to designate drive me home from the pub or restaurant on occasion too. Fair’s fair. But now, dammit, he’s moved to Shanghai. Good for him though, as taxis are everywhere 24/7 and any ride around the city costs about $2 and you can pay for it with the same pre-loaded swipe card you use for the train, bus and even Maccas.

carnardly carnardly 12:00 pm 12 Jun 12

why doesn’t boy wonder sort out a roster with friends who will be a designated driver. Once a month or however often he just doesn’t drink if he’s the one on duty. It’s not that radical an idea.

Bugger you being his slave at 4 am. teach him about his own responsibility and/or drinking in moderation.

poetix poetix 9:12 pm 11 Jun 12

DrKoresh said :

Sandman said :

Kids these days are obviously amateur drinkers and have never heard of things like Panelvan’s. I never had to leave my car and find my way home after an unexpected big night when in my 20’s. Saturday morning parking? No worries. That was about the time that the bacon and egg cravings came on so a couple of coins in the meter was all that was needed. There were other social benefits associated with the panelvan as well, but I’m sure I don’t need to elaborate on the details of that.

As someone in their early 20’s today all I can say is (somewhat facetiously): What the Hell is a panelvan?

No, I’m kidding, I know of them, from way back hundreds of years ago in the 80’s. But seriously, where can you BUY one in this day and age?

Young people today. Can’t even Google things for themselves….Here are a few panelvans.
http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-cars/HOLDEN/SANDMAN/model-make.htm

Prepare to be shocked by the prices.

DrKoresh DrKoresh 8:28 pm 11 Jun 12

Sandman said :

Kids these days are obviously amateur drinkers and have never heard of things like Panelvan’s. I never had to leave my car and find my way home after an unexpected big night when in my 20’s. Saturday morning parking? No worries. That was about the time that the bacon and egg cravings came on so a couple of coins in the meter was all that was needed. There were other social benefits associated with the panelvan as well, but I’m sure I don’t need to elaborate on the details of that.

As someone in their early 20’s today all I can say is (somewhat facetiously): What the Hell is a panelvan?

No, I’m kidding, I know of them, from way back hundreds of years ago in the 80’s. But seriously, where can you BUY one in this day and age?

Sandman Sandman 8:02 pm 11 Jun 12

Kids these days are obviously amateur drinkers and have never heard of things like Panelvan’s. I never had to leave my car and find my way home after an unexpected big night when in my 20’s. Saturday morning parking? No worries. That was about the time that the bacon and egg cravings came on so a couple of coins in the meter was all that was needed. There were other social benefits associated with the panelvan as well, but I’m sure I don’t need to elaborate on the details of that.

milkman milkman 6:21 pm 11 Jun 12

Dacquiri said :

Dacquiri said :

And check this out if you think that 22yr olds should be well and truly fending for themselves…

If the link doesn’t come up, it’s, ‘Generation stuck at home’ by Annabel Ross — see Canberra Times webpage.

The article typifies a slack, self-absorbed wannabe.

poetix poetix 6:03 pm 11 Jun 12

Dacquiri said :

OK, I hear you, but it’s not always quite that simple. It doesn’t seem to be so much about going for a night out and buying drinks at club prices — it’s often something like a party at a friend’s house, or an event like the beer fest thing at Olim’s, etc. So I guess it’s a mix of situations: when they know they’ll be drinking a lot and don’t want to be stuck with a car that can’t be driven, and the situation of when you do have your car with you because you weren’t intending to drink that much, but did. For what it’s worth, when my son isn’t out, he seems to be providing a pretty regular chauffeur service for heaps of his friends, too. And as for prioritising their social life: that seems to be a ‘given’, in the sense that so much of their whole identity is wrapped up in getting together with their mates. So there certainly is a lot of socialising at friends’ houses and drinking there.

You seem to miss the main point: you should not be on call for your adult son, or even be so aware of what he’s up to. You should be doing your own things, rather than sitting around analysing his behaviour, let alone enabling it. What he does with his mates is his own concern. Personally, it is hard for me to envisage circumstances in which I would be in a fit state to act as a taxi driver late at night, and that’s as it should be. You keep saying that there are few jobs in his area of expertise; how then does he run a car in the first place, which is much more expensive than an occasional taxi?

Man up and ignore him. Even mothers have their own lives.

Dacquiri Dacquiri 6:01 pm 11 Jun 12

Dacquiri said :

And check this out if you think that 22yr olds should be well and truly fending for themselves…

If the link doesn’t come up, it’s, ‘Generation stuck at home’ by Annabel Ross — see Canberra Times webpage.

Dacquiri Dacquiri 5:58 pm 11 Jun 12

And check this out if you think that 22yr olds should be well and truly fending for themselves…

DrKoresh DrKoresh 1:15 pm 11 Jun 12

milkman said :

mattapalooza said :

I think a taxi from Civic to Banks is something like $80 one way….surely that can’t even be an option for the kiddies!

If they can afford to buy drinks at club prices, they can afford to make their own way home. Let’s not forget, these are not kids.

Not many of us can, actually. Also, pre-drinking is where it’s at, cheaper than buying it inside.

ImagineThat ImagineThat 12:34 pm 11 Jun 12

I can’t see a service which brings your car home and gives you a lift as being viable for anyone to operate at a cost a cash strapped youth could afford.

If you don’t always want to run ‘Mum’s Taxi’, make it clear to progeny if they are meeting friends socially and alcohol is likely to be involved, progeny needs to ask themselves a question. Will I drink OR will I drive? Progeny needs to think their evening through and part of that is how they are getting home. Said strategy needs to be in place before they leave home. Srategy is up to progeny to resource, this may include parents, designated drivers, taxis, busses, or shank’s pony.

If someone is continually not going to drink but changes their mind once they get there, they have to recognise that as a theme and plan the night accordingly. This means not taking the car if drinking is likely. Busses might be useful to get you to venue even if they don’t help to get you home.

Many are the times I have chosen not to drink, and be the ‘designated’ driver for a group of friends. It isn’t half as much fun, but it certainly is cheaper.

I don’t see anything wrong with making (occasional) arrangements with a parent as long as the arrangement is not one sided. Surely mums and dads would like to go out and have a drink too sometimes and then it should be ‘payback’ time, when Junior comes and picks them up and brings them home.

Associated joke: Walk into delivery pizza joint and order a delivery pizza, then ask for a lift home with the delivery driver.

Grail Grail 12:30 pm 11 Jun 12

Compare the cost of a taxi to the actual running costs of your car. Fuel is usually only 1/3 of the cost: you have registration, insurance and services to count as well.

If there are no friends available to be designated driver, the issue really becomes poor planning. Heading out on the town in the hope that a lift home will materialise is really poor planning. Driving someone home from Civic to the outer edges of Canberra is a 1 hour round trip: surely there’s a bus running in that time which will take the lad closer to home?

Planning a night out might seem boring to some people, and be too much like a chore for others. We’re never going to re-establish a manufacturing sector in this country if people aren’t even capable of planning how to get home after a night out.

Just leaving $50 cash aside from the drinking budget is the easiest option: catch a cab home.

Dacquiri Dacquiri 11:46 am 11 Jun 12

OK, I hear you, but it’s not always quite that simple. It doesn’t seem to be so much about going for a night out and buying drinks at club prices — it’s often something like a party at a friend’s house, or an event like the beer fest thing at Olim’s, etc. So I guess it’s a mix of situations: when they know they’ll be drinking a lot and don’t want to be stuck with a car that can’t be driven, and the situation of when you do have your car with you because you weren’t intending to drink that much, but did. For what it’s worth, when my son isn’t out, he seems to be providing a pretty regular chauffeur service for heaps of his friends, too. And as for prioritising their social life: that seems to be a ‘given’, in the sense that so much of their whole identity is wrapped up in getting together with their mates. So there certainly is a lot of socialising at friends’ houses and drinking there.

milkman milkman 9:19 am 11 Jun 12

mattapalooza said :

I think a taxi from Civic to Banks is something like $80 one way….surely that can’t even be an option for the kiddies!

If they can afford to buy drinks at club prices, they can afford to make their own way home. Let’s not forget, these are not kids.

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