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Zed the Moonie! (and other tales of disclosure or otherwise)

By johnboy 29 April 2006 29

Over at the Canberra Times Markus Mannheim has done very well in finding oddities in the register of Legislative Assembly member’s pecuniary interests.

While Richard Mulcahy’s high-rolling Las Vegas ways are a source of amusement it’s Zed Seselja who’s taking the cake.

The Opposition’s planning spokesman Zed Seselja was the only other MLA to have declared gifts since the election, noting that he had been a guest of a Universal Peace Federation conference in South Korea last year.

The federation is part of a movement founded by the controversial cult leader, the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, whose followers believe he is a Messiah. It paid for Mr Seselja’s travel and attendance, and gave him a watch and a gold tea set of unspecified value

Perhaps Zed should put his gold tea set on display in CMAG as it sounds quite magnificent? Perhaps he can also tell us how long he was in the care of the brain-washing moonies?

And perhaps ALL the other MLA’s can tell us if they really have received no gifts at all worth more than $250 since the last election?


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maria 10:01 pm 02 May 06

Talk to anyone who has lost someone into the arms of the “moonies” and you will have some understanding of the difference between cults (and this one in particular) and organised religion.

vg 8:52 pm 01 May 06

Some buttons have been well and truly pushed here. I’ll file it away for later

bulldog 4:45 pm 01 May 06

What has been with the recent accusations that the RA is banning people for telling it differently? Have I missed something or is this more freakish paranoia rearing it’s ugly head?

Kimba you/re entitled to your opinion but you are doing an awful lot of blow-assing for not much effect. It seems you are trying to take jb’s position as a declaration of war. He is just as entitled to not like freaks like moonies and scientologists as you are to defend them – although it does defy logic how you can defend any organisation that asks it members to sever all ties with the real world upon joining.

Perhaps there are some analogies to be drawn to catholicism, islam or buddhism – but for the purpose of this argument these other religions don’t ask you to sign over the deed to your house in order to join them on their quest for bliss.

Personally I think Zed can do as he pleases – at least he’s honest enough to declare it.

Wonder if Deb’s weekly rent subsidy could have classified as a gift?

Blamemonkey 4:33 pm 01 May 06

This argument/Discussion has nothing on me talking to a JW I work with.

Normally a nice guy good to work with but if the subject turns to religion look out, almost an hour it went round in circles covering topics like His right not to vote because of his religion, then I would fire back it is because of our democratic system he had that right, he would come out and say that Homosexuality was bad, but then I would say the government protects the freedom of choice, the same freedom that allows you religion… I think the point I had was lost…

Blamemonkey 4:19 pm 01 May 06

Kimba you are entitled to your own opinion, but doesn’t make your opinion correct.

Organised Religion is for losers any way, I’m not saying that you can’t believe in stuff, but if those beliefs start effecting my life (JWs, right for lifers, etc) the do not fear the wrath of God fear the wrath of ME!!!

johnboy 4:15 pm 01 May 06

noper, this one’s clear.

Blamemonkey 4:14 pm 01 May 06

Why do I have a feeling I missed a post?
JB are you deleting comments again?

kimba 4:07 pm 01 May 06

Yes down tools before I am also banned from the room because I dare to disagree.

johnboy 4:04 pm 01 May 06

I love how the great warriors against relativism suddenly fall back on it when they need to defend one of their own.

“ooh all religions are relatively the same” they squeal.

No. They are not. Some are better than others.

Form your own judgment as to which is which, but don’t try and pass off that they’re all much the same.

My opinion is that the two in question stink.

You’re just getting upset that your own boy is linked to one.

The funny thing is that if the negative perception was not widespread then you wouldn’t be upset. And yet somehow it’s me and the CT to blame for your discomfort.

Indi 3:49 pm 01 May 06

down tools – let’s all sing ‘Koom-byeya-me-lord’!!

johnboy 3:47 pm 01 May 06

Hitler and Stalin and others of this ilk also persecuted those who they didn’t like or who they perceived as being different.

I’m really looking forward to your defence of pedophillia.

Again you’re either too stupid, or too malign, to acknowledge the difference between soliciting voluntary contribution and preying on the weak.

Like all thinking beings I have to form moral judgments (possibly unlike Liberal fanboys) the basis of my experience is that Scientology is a very bad thing that needs to be opposed, and like radical islam and the oppression of the weak, should not be simply tolerated.

You’re welcome to your own opinions (although not necessarily on my website) but I’m going to keep voicing mine ’til you kick down my door.

BTW see Godwin’s Law you moron.

kimba 3:35 pm 01 May 06

OK johnboy is right, I am wrong.

The Mormons and Seventh Day Adventist are ok because johnboy doesn’t have a problem with them but the Moonies and Scientologist are evil because johnboy doesn’t tolerate them.

Hitler and Stalin and others of this ilk also persecuted those who they didn’t like or who they perceived as being different.

Of course mainstream religion still persecutes the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists.

Mormons and the Seventh Day Adventists also, I gather like the Moonies and Scientologist, have ‘strange’ philosophies and also tithe money from their followers.

Que sera, sera!

johnboy 2:30 pm 01 May 06

Wow, really digging into the rhetorical bag of dirty tricks.

It’s about the Liberal party because the story is about a Liberal MLA spending time under the control of a foreign group famous for their indoctrination techniques. (how quickly you forget when it’s convenient)

Mormons and seventh day adventists don’t have a malign influence on their converts so I really don’t care. Hell I’ll admit Mormons seem to have found a real formula for human happiness and it’s just a shame i’d have to give up the grog to become one.

Scientologists and moonies do, so it’s an issue.

I know a hell of a lot of people from minority faiths and generally i’m happy to live and let live.

It’s the predators that get my hackles up. The predators you’re defending.

kimba 2:21 pm 01 May 06

One day I would love to find out why those who love to most portrait themselves as being liberal minded are usually the most small-minded when it comes to people and groups that they don’t like or support.

I am not sure what this discussion has to do with the Liberal Party I wouldn’t give a flying Kangaroo if Lundy or even Stanhope when to a Scientology or Moonie conference or event.

I personally don’t have much knowledge of the Scientologist but I was good friends with a Mooonie couple in the late 80’s and I do currently have friends who are, wait for it, Mormons (johnboy will be frothing at the mouth). My best friend at school was a Seventh Day Adventist.

None of these people were ‘brainwashed’ or ever attempted to push their beliefs on me.

Perhaps if johnboy and others made an attempt to get to know some of these people he wouldn’t have such a bigoted view.

For the record I’m a brainwashed Catholic who now believes more in God then any Church.

johnboy 11:35 am 01 May 06

There’s a difference between passing the plate and looting bank accounts.

Nice to see there’s nothing so vile you won’t leap to it’s defence in the service of the Liberal Party.

In my opinion Scientologists are evil bastards that should be decried and reviled at every turn and Moonies aren’t much better.

You’re either grossly ignorant of the issues, or a member of one of those churches.

Because the informed opinion of non-members of these churches is uniformly dim.

kimba 11:25 am 01 May 06

What sanctimonious crap. And of course the Catholics, Muslims, Happy Clappies and Protestants aren’t so-called brain washing and aren’t predatory bastards of their adherents and of course would never swell their own coffers LOL Wake up Jeff!!!

Talking of swelling their own coffers I see the mick’s are having a Tribute Dinner for Francis Carroll at $150 a pop in the Great Hall. I wonder how many of adherents will be able to afford that pleasure.

Mr_Shab 10:56 am 01 May 06

…and I’m aware that should have been “site”.

Mr_Shab 10:55 am 01 May 06

No way Mael – keep it live on the sight. Don’t keep the flaming to yourself. I need the odd laugh…

Maelinar 10:30 am 01 May 06

crazychester, read the FAQ. It gives you guidelines on what will get published and what won’t. If all else fails, read the comment from Che regarding get your own damn website in the tagline.

JB, I reckon Thumper, Bulldog, Ss(s)anta and I could be the loony affairs working group, although we’d probably just as much directly flame them back via email and report the highlights ;P

Thumper 9:51 am 01 May 06

Yeah, you do have a point there JB….

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