To hurt an innocent creature. I hope karma comes straight back at him.

Thumbs up to the cops on this one.

Well done, the Plod. Throw the book at the bastard. Haven’t there been studies that show that people who abuse animals run a significant risk of becoming people-abusers?

Where the hell do these pricks breed? What a piece of scum.

Name and shame.

The Frots said :

Where the hell do these pricks breed?

Charnwood…

apparently…

Deref said :

Well done, the Plod. Throw the book at the bastard. Haven’t there been studies that show that people who abuse animals run a significant risk of becoming people-abusers?

So, so many, and out of pure laziness I can’t link to any particular study. Suffice to say that the general public should be very scared of people who harm animals, because it is just the first step before these charming people move on to violent crimes against humans.

From memory, there is a horrifying statistic regarding violent prisoners incarcerated in the US – some 85% have a history of cruelty against animals.

If you know someone who has no qualms torturing an animal, be afraid – be very afraid.

Deref said :

… Haven’t there been studies that show that people who abuse animals run a significant risk of becoming people-abusers?

Many, but almost all of them methodologically flawed, according to Forging the links: (de)constructing chains of behaviours, Heather Piper and Steve Myers, Child Abuse Review Volume 15, Issue 3, pages 178-187, May/June 2006 .

(Entire article available for rent here)
Plain English summary of their earlier work here.

Quit perpetuating the myth.

subjecting the offender to the same injuries inflicted upon the innocent swan would provide a satisfying outcome to this incident.

Skidbladnir said :

Deref said :

… Haven’t there been studies that show that people who abuse animals run a significant risk of becoming people-abusers?

Many, but almost all of them methodologically flawed, according to Forging the links: (de)constructing chains of behaviours, Heather Piper and Steve Myers, Child Abuse Review Volume 15, Issue 3, pages 178-187, May/June 2006 .

(Entire article available for rent here)
Plain English summary of their earlier work here.

Quit perpetuating the myth.

For every study there is one side an another each saying the oposite.

Quite a number of studies show that people who come from single parent upbringing end up in court and jail, making up as much as 70-75%.

My other guess would be that charnwood would also be a very single parent demographic? (I’ve never risked my life to go there)

My guess would be this chap was raised by mum, and as good as she might have been, being a single parent gives kids control issues, no one is able to keep the single parent in check, so they are always right. So now the kid has control issues, has to murder a swan because he needs to be in control.

Skidbladnir said :

Deref said :

… Haven’t there been studies that show that people who abuse animals run a significant risk of becoming people-abusers?

Many, but almost all of them methodologically flawed, according to Forging the links: (de)constructing chains of behaviours, Heather Piper and Steve Myers, Child Abuse Review Volume 15, Issue 3, pages 178-187, May/June 2006 .

(Entire article available for rent here)
Plain English summary of their earlier work here.

Quit perpetuating the myth.

Thanks for the links, Skid. I’m not knowledgeable enough to assess the evidence one way or the other and have to rely on the experts for that. From the POV of my position of admitted ignorance, a single paper is probably insufficient to debunk (what I assume to be) the prior body of work, regardless of how convincing. Certainly, though, it raises significant serious doubts – enough to, as you say, quit perpetuating what may well prove to be a myth.

gooterz said :

My other guess would be that charnwood would also be a very single parent demographic? (I’ve never risked my life to go there)

My guess would be this chap was raised by mum, and as good as she might have been, being a single parent gives kids control issues, no one is able to keep the single parent in check, so they are always right. So now the kid has control issues, has to murder a swan because he needs to be in control.

As much as we here joke (though with a somewhat factual basis) about Charnwood, it has become better there in the last decade. It still has pockets of Government housing, but there are regular, “normal” humans amongst those, and more generally amongst the suburb. No reason to be afraid to step into the suburb… unless you’ve made the problem, I guess… Many of the problem people seem to be being moved to grander Govt. accom. in Symonston…

I’m certain there would be a number of factors needed to create a human that will “do things” to animals, and that statistically, at least a couple of these might be shared in common. Though a failure to have control of their own lives, for whatever reason, makes sense to me…

Having seen the end of a few episodes of COPS on OneHD (right before the F1 coverage – I didn’t tune in for it), it seems (to me) the lack of suitable environment and parenting is behind most social ills… I remember a conversation with some students about their first memory being helping mum and dad separate the bud from the leaf on the kitchen table; and they were relatively normal children; imagine what the background is like for the for the child molesters, peadophiles, animal killers etc…

gooterz said :

My guess would be this chap was raised by mum, and as good as she might have been, being a single parent gives kids control issues, no one is able to keep the single parent in check, so they are always right. So now the kid has control issues, has to murder a swan because he needs to be in control.

I think you might need to investigate this ‘theory’ a little deeper…

Deref said :

Thanks for the links, Skid. I’m not knowledgeable enough to assess the evidence one way or the other and have to rely on the experts for that. From the POV of my position of admitted ignorance, a single paper is probably insufficient to debunk (what I assume to be) the prior body of work, regardless of how convincing. Certainly, though, it raises significant serious doubts – enough to, as you say, quit perpetuating what may well prove to be a myth.

If you like, bear in mind that most of the trend towards “Animal cruelty is a strong indicator of human cruelty” is sourced via three works:
1) “The threat to kill”, JM Macdonald , American Journal of Psychiatry, 120:125-130, August 1963;
2) “Enuresis, firesetting and cruelty to animals: A triad predictive of adult crime”, Daniel S Hellman and Nathan Blackman, American Journal of Psychiatry, 122:1431-1435, June 1966; and
3) “Childhood cruelty to animals and later aggression against people: A review”, A. R. Felthous and S. R. Kellert, American Journal of Psychiatry, 144:710-717, 1987 .
Together these are where the much-loved Macdonald Triad (firestarting, cruelty to animals, and bedwetting after the age of five) term comes from.

Wikipedia enjoys sourcing from Hensley and anecdotal FBI Agent’s experiences, but glosses over the fact that in Hensley’s 2003 article “From Animal Cruelty to Serial Murder: Applying the Graduation Hypothesis” Jeremy Wright and Christopher Hensley, International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology, February 2003 vol. 47 no. 1 71-88 (abstract\rental) he cited the trend as “a possible link between childhood cruelty toward animals and serial murder with the application of the graduation hypothesis”, but by the time he was published again in “Exploring the Link between Recurrent Acts of Childhood and Adolescent Animal Cruelty and Subsequent Violent Crime”, Suzanne E. Tallichet and Christopher Hensley, Criminal Justice Review Autumn 2004 vol. 29 no. 2 304-316(abstract\rental) he had toned it down to “respondents who had more siblings and who had committed repeated acts of animal cruelty were more likely to have engaged in recurrent acts of interpersonal violence”, and finally when he published “Recurrent Childhood Animal Cruelty: Is There a Relationship to Adult Recurrent Interpersonal Violence?”, Christopher Hensley and Suzanne E. Tallichet and Erik L. Dutkiewicz, Criminal Justice Review June 2009 vol. 34 no. 2 248-257 (abstract\rental) his argument was reduced to “…based on survey data from 180 inmates at a medium- and maximum-security prison… repeated acts of animal cruelty during childhood and pre-adolescence was predictive of later recurrent acts of violence toward humans, showing a possible relationship between the two.”

If you have the time, read the entirety of Cruelty Indivisible by Bernard Unti, or just skip to Pg24 for the Conclusion.

(Yes, there may be a possible link, but it is weak at best, and largely a question of sampling methods and researchers begging the question. IE: Seek and you will find.)

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless! what u mean swan molester!? he didnt even kill the swan he was poking a dead swan on the side of a lake and this stupid lady calls the cops n said it was alive, very stupid and the police are lost they go around belivieng lies! n so does the public

gooterz said :

Skidbladnir said :

Deref said :

… Haven’t there been studies that show that people who abuse animals run a significant risk of becoming people-abusers?

Many, but almost all of them methodologically flawed, according to Forging the links: (de)constructing chains of behaviours, Heather Piper and Steve Myers, Child Abuse Review Volume 15, Issue 3, pages 178-187, May/June 2006 .

(Entire article available for rent here)
Plain English summary of their earlier work here.

Quit perpetuating the myth.

For every study there is one side an another each saying the oposite.

Quite a number of studies show that people who come from single parent upbringing end up in court and jail, making up as much as 70-75%.

My other guess would be that charnwood would also be a very single parent demographic? (I’ve never risked my life to go there)

My guess would be this chap was raised by mum, and as good as she might have been, being a single parent gives kids control issues, no one is able to keep the single parent in check, so they are always right. So now the kid has control issues, has to murder a swan because he needs to be in control.

My research has shown that kids raised by parents who are into baseless generalisations and quoting half-arsed studies grow up to be arrogant, judgemental serial killers.

If you bother to check the evidence, you will find that economic background is the most important indicator that causes kids to resort to crime. It makes sense that quite a few of single parent families have a lower income than two income families, but not necessarily and with high incomes in the ACT, they are rarely living below the poverty line. Kids from poor 2-parent families are also over-represented in those stats.

seesee2 said :

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless! what u mean swan molester!? he didnt even kill the swan he was poking a dead swan on the side of a lake and this stupid lady calls the cops n said it was alive, very stupid and the police are lost they go around belivieng lies! n so does the public

LOL. Didn’t take long for one of his mates to appear in his defence. He did more than poke it with that stick.

seesee2 said :

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless! what u mean swan molester!? he didnt even kill the swan he was poking a dead swan on the side of a lake and this stupid lady calls the cops n said it was alive, very stupid and the police are lost they go around belivieng lies! n so does the public

Do you even know what the term ‘molest’ means?

Skidbladnir said :

Deref said :

Thanks for the links, Skid. I’m not knowledgeable enough to assess the evidence one way or the other and have to rely on the experts for that. From the POV of my position of admitted ignorance, a single paper is probably insufficient to debunk (what I assume to be) the prior body of work, regardless of how convincing. Certainly, though, it raises significant serious doubts – enough to, as you say, quit perpetuating what may well prove to be a myth.

If you like, bear in mind that most of the trend towards “Animal cruelty is a strong indicator of human cruelty” is sourced via three works:

…

(Yes, there may be a possible link, but it is weak at best, and largely a question of sampling methods and researchers begging the question. IE: Seek and you will find.)

Thank you! Sometimes RA is full of win.

seesee2 said :

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless!

Who is Eva?

KeenGolfer said :

seesee2 said :

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless! what u mean swan molester!? he didnt even kill the swan he was poking a dead swan on the side of a lake and this stupid lady calls the cops n said it was alive, very stupid and the police are lost they go around belivieng lies! n so does the public

LOL. Didn’t take long for one of his mates to appear in his defence. He did more than poke it with that stick.

yea im his mate n i am defending him from defamation so what!? i was there i know what happened, you dont know anythang beside what u have read, it was already dead , dont understand how the law themseleves can be this dumb

The only person coming close to identifying your friend is you.

Something to think about when making defamation threats.

johnboy said :

The only person coming close to identifying your friend is you.

Something to think about when making defamation threats.

im not gonna say his name, u dont know who i am, n all u have posted is a big big lie the jokes kinda on yous since i know this will work itself oout

seesee2 said :

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless! what u mean swan molester!? he didnt even kill the swan he was poking a dead swan on the side of a lake and this stupid lady calls the cops n said it was alive, very stupid and the police are lost they go around belivieng lies! n so does the public

I swear there are part of Charnwood where people have begun breeding with vegetables.

> doesn’t know what defamation is.
> Spells “whoever” as “who eva”

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creative_canberran said :

seesee2 said :

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless! what u mean swan molester!? he didnt even kill the swan he was poking a dead swan on the side of a lake and this stupid lady calls the cops n said it was alive, very stupid and the police are lost they go around belivieng lies! n so does the public

I swear there are part of Charnwood where people have begun breeding with vegetables.

yea good come get knocked out by a vegitable then faggot

seesee2 said :

creative_canberran said :

seesee2 said :

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless! what u mean swan molester!? he didnt even kill the swan he was poking a dead swan on the side of a lake and this stupid lady calls the cops n said it was alive, very stupid and the police are lost they go around belivieng lies! n so does the public

I swear there are part of Charnwood where people have begun breeding with vegetables.

yea good come get knocked out by a vegitable then faggot

lmao. Pretty brilliant comeback.

creative_canberran said :

I swear there are part of Charnwood where people have begun breeding with vegetables.

that’s an insult to vegetables everywhere.

seesee2 said :

creative_canberran said :

seesee2 said :

who eva posted this is stupid and gutless! what u mean swan molester!? he didnt even kill the swan he was poking a dead swan on the side of a lake and this stupid lady calls the cops n said it was alive, very stupid and the police are lost they go around belivieng lies! n so does the public

I swear there are part of Charnwood where people have begun breeding with vegetables.

yea good come get knocked out by a vegitable then faggot

Creative Canberran- are you going to take up Mr Potato-heads’ challenge?

vegitable

A piece of furniture made from legumes and like plants.