Many more turn out for pro wind rally

DUB said :

Stevian said :

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Prove me wrong ?
I know a lot that you don’t.©

But who will give me all the ‘books’ to photocopy? Please leave your “give me a source or you’ve made it up” reply for naive crowds.

So you’re admitting you made it up?

DUB said :

Stevian said :

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Prove me wrong ?
I know a lot that you don’t.?

But who will give me all the ‘books’ to photocopy? Please leave your “give me a source or you’ve made it up” reply for naive crowds.

Doesn’t quite work that way. Naivety rests with those who accept an unsupported statement written anonymously on the interwebs.

If you can support what you say, or tell me how I could verify what you say, I’d be interested in what you have to say.

I have no dog in this fight, but I will say that it’s a lot easier to protest in Civic than protest at Parliament House. The average man can simply arise from his Civic based desk at lunch and amble to Garema Place. A trip to Parliament House requires some effort.

Stevian said :

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Prove me wrong ?
I know a lot that you don’t.©

But who will give me all the ‘books’ to photocopy? Please leave your “give me a source or you’ve made it up” reply for naive crowds.

DUB said :

, the “Pro-wind” one in Civic had a nice “rent-a-crowd”, who were paid 20 bucks each in cash to attend, all live near by in Civic. .

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Both rallies were a sham, Jones’ “Anti-wind” – many from the crowd had a free day trip to Canberra and a free lunch afterwards, the “Pro-wind” one in Civic had a nice “rent-a-crowd”, who were paid 20 bucks each in cash to attend, all live near by in Civic. Plus many casual passers-by and onlookers. Welcome to Canberra… There you go, one less secret for you all.

Gungahlin Al said :

Christine Milne and Tony Windsor got rock star receptions.

Says it all really.

jethro20 said :

What I struggle to understand is, that if wind power is so good why are turbines not being placed within the ACT? and simply being lugged on people in the regions?

Stand outside for a while – note the lack of steady wind.

jethro20 said :

A few points; how much would a wind turbine placed in your backyard reduce the price of your property by?

A heck of a lot less than having a gas fired power station within cooee. In fact, as the turbine owner has to pay you rent for using your backyard, the price of your property would increase – which is the main reason behind the anti-wind turbine brigade.

jethro20 said :

As someone who does not really have a problem with green energy, I don’t think I would fancy a turbine 100m+ as close to my house as some of these people will have to suffer (in some cases less than 500 metres) without any consultation. What I struggle to understand is, that if wind power is so good why are turbines not being placed within the ACT? and simply being lugged on people in the regions?
Canberran”s turning up to a pro wind rally really means nothing as we don’t have to suffer from any of the implications of their placement and have no plans of placing them within our own boarders. A few points; how much would a wind turbine placed in your backyard reduce the price of your property by? To what extent are they reliant on tax payer subsidies? (a false economy) and why were 90% of the wind farms around Canberra approved in the last 6 days of the former NSW Gov?

I see plainly that thee and Alan Jones are bereft of even the small degree of insight that allows the rest of us to understand why there are no wind farms in Canberra’s suburbs, Macquarie Street and other areas of the continent, populated and unpopulated. It’s called topography, and to some extent it can also be called geography and economics. Wind farms have to be sited in areas of maximum average smooth-air wind, as close as possible to the end users of the power produced, and in economically attractive areas where the land rental is within certain limits. Put all those requirements together and guess what? The ideal locations quickly become crystal clear. Surprisingly, these locations are where the wind farms are situated.

jethro20 said :

I don’t think I would fancy a turbine 100m+ as close to my house as some of these people will have to suffer (in some cases less than 500 metres)

A 500m set back is very, very rare in the industry in Australia. 1km is far more common.

jethro20 said :

without any consultation.

I call shenanigans. No wind farm in this country, ever, has been built without community consultation. If it’s your property, no one can force you to host a turbine. If it’s not your property, but your neighbours, you still have rights and the general response is increased set backs.

jethro20 said :

What I struggle to understand is, that if wind power is so good why are turbines not being placed within the ACT?

You can’t just stick a wind farm anywhere. A lot of the ACT is urbanised, which is not good for wind farming for a lot of reasons. Outside urban Canberra, the ACT’s wind resource is pretty poor. Many of the good spots for wind farms are either forested (no good, creates turbulence and reduces wind speed) or nature park, or don’t have access to the electricity grid. There was a proposal a few years ago to built one out on the Barton Hwy near the border towards Murrambateman. I don’t know what happened to it though…

jethro20 said :

and simply being lugged on people in the regions?

Shenanigans! Shenanigans! The people in the regions are being lugged with anything. If you speak to a lot of farmers, they _want_ wind farms as a drought proof way of earning extra income for their farms. Once again, you can’t put wind farms in urbanised areas…

jethro20 said :

Canberran”s turning up to a pro wind rally really means nothing as we don’t have to suffer from any of the implications of their placement and have no plans of placing them within our own boarders.

More shenanigans. I need to get my broom. If you actually bothered to read up on the rally, many of the participants and 3 of the 6 speakers were farmers from outside Canberra. One speaker was a farmer from Waubra, another from Crookwell. Both spoke strongly in support of wind farms. It wasn’t just inner city hipsters.

jethro20 said :

A few points; how much would a wind turbine placed in your backyard reduce the price of your property by?

It’s a fair question. To date, there is no clear answer, but so far, “nothing” to “a little bit”: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/4/5/wind-power/wind-farms-and-property-values-let-market-decide

jethro20 said :

To what extent are they reliant on tax payer subsidies? (a false economy)

Wind farms, outside of some tax credits, receive no subsidies. What they receive are Renewable Energy Certificates (RECs). The renewable energy target means that people who wholesale electricity have to source some of it from renewable sources (the target is 20% by 2020). They do this by buying RECs from renewable energy generators like wind farms. This means wind farms can sell electricity for more money, the cost of which is ultimately borne by the consumer. Wind farms have raised the cost some places (like NSW) and actually lowered it other places (like South Australia)

http://theconversation.com/power-of-the-wind-how-renewables-are-lowering-sa-electricity-bills-9945

jethro20 said :

and why were 90% of the wind farms around Canberra approved in the last 6 days of the former NSW Gov?

Sigh… triple shenanigans. This isn’t true.

Good luck getting answers to your questions which are probably being peer reviewed as I write this.

I think it’s clear you don’t know what peer review means.

jethro20 said :

As someone who does not really have a problem with green energy, I don’t think I would fancy a turbine 100m+ as close to my house as some of these people will have to suffer (in some cases less than 500 metres) without any consultation. What I struggle to understand is, that if wind power is so good why are turbines not being placed within the ACT? and simply being lugged on people in the regions?
Canberran”s turning up to a pro wind rally really means nothing as we don’t have to suffer from any of the implications of their placement and have no plans of placing them within our own boarders. A few points; how much would a wind turbine placed in your backyard reduce the price of your property by? To what extent are they reliant on tax payer subsidies? (a false economy) and why were 90% of the wind farms around Canberra approved in the last 6 days of the former NSW Gov?

Good luck getting answers to your questions which are probably being peer reviewed as I write this.

Postalgeek said :

It all gets a bit complicated if we can’t chart positions on an issue on a single X-axis.

You have to use two axes, like those stupid psychometric tests.

This Jethro supports wind farms and other renewables.

They wouldn’t need to be subsidised if the massive environmental costs of the carbon heavy non-renewables were included in their prices. As it is the ability of the fossil fuel industry to externalise these costs acts as a subsidy that far surpasses nothing wind or solar receives.

As someone who does not really have a problem with green energy, I don’t think I would fancy a turbine 100m+ as close to my house as some of these people will have to suffer (in some cases less than 500 metres) without any consultation. What I struggle to understand is, that if wind power is so good why are turbines not being placed within the ACT? and simply being lugged on people in the regions?
Canberran”s turning up to a pro wind rally really means nothing as we don’t have to suffer from any of the implications of their placement and have no plans of placing them within our own boarders. A few points; how much would a wind turbine placed in your backyard reduce the price of your property by? To what extent are they reliant on tax payer subsidies? (a false economy) and why were 90% of the wind farms around Canberra approved in the last 6 days of the former NSW Gov?

Spiral said :

johnboy said :

How on earth are windfarms a left v right issue?

Surely the industrialisation of the rural landscape is something most of “the right” (the rational ones anyway) would welcome.

Methinks you’re just an idiot.

And surely the left would want to industrialize the country side too.

Oops I think I’m confusing communist/socialist left such as the USSR, China, North Korea etc who all live industrialization and don’t give a stuff about the environment with the green left who would be thrown in a gulag by those countries.

It all gets a bit complicated if we can’t chart positions on an issue on a single X-axis.

johnboy said :

How on earth are windfarms a left v right issue?

Surely the industrialisation of the rural landscape is something most of “the right” (the rational ones anyway) would welcome.

Methinks you’re just an idiot.

You could be easily misled by looking at the convenors of the respective rallies, though.

Roundhead89 said :

Just goes to show that the Left is better at stacking a rally with stooges and hacks than the Right. It doesn’t change who is right and who is wrong.

Science beats Alan jones every time.

johnboy said :

How on earth are windfarms a left v right issue?

Surely the industrialisation of the rural landscape is something most of “the right” (the rational ones anyway) would welcome.

Methinks you’re just an idiot.

And surely the left would want to industrialize the country side too.

Oops I think I’m confusing communist/socialist left such as the USSR, China, North Korea etc who all live industrialization and don’t give a stuff about the environment with the green left who would be thrown in a gulag by those countries.

Roundhead89 said :

ra ra lefty scum ra ra.

whateverdude

I thought Jones was originally meant to be at Garema too. I went along hoping to get a bit shouty at him and was rather disappointed. As somebody else said on the other thread – another Convoy of No Consequence.

But the pro-wind power rally was excellent, virtually everyone there was specifically there to here the speakers. Christine Milne and Tony Windsor got rock star receptions.

I had a chat with Tony Windsor about his Lateline interview last night. My footy-busted finger and his farmer’s handshake were a match made in heaven…

Some great speeches by farmers too. Charlie Prell from Crookwell was on fire and Karen from Warborough: I look out my kitchen window on 27 turbines and there are 4X within X kilometres. I have no problems. (Sorry I forgot the numbers.)

Just goes to show that the Left is better at stacking a rally with stooges and hacks than the Right. It doesn’t change who is right and who is wrong.

poetix said :

And there was I, forgetting all about it, slaving away over some poems.

Of all the ‘anti’ windfarm people, the only one I would really like to ask about how he formed his views is Nick Xenophon, as I have a lot of time for his ethical stance on gambling. But I suppose you can be right on one issue, and not on others.

No Xenophon is wrong pretty much whenever he opens his mouth on any issue.

And there was I, forgetting all about it, slaving away over some poems.

Of all the ‘anti’ windfarm people, the only one I would really like to ask about how he formed his views is Nick Xenophon, as I have a lot of time for his ethical stance on gambling. But I suppose you can be right on one issue, and not on others.

johnboy said :

dungfungus said :

I like the idea of one person’s fantasy being destroyed by another person’s fantasy.

You really are an abhorrent person aren’t you?

One with a tiny lil brain.

dungfungus said :

I like the idea of one person’s fantasy being destroyed by another person’s fantasy.

You really are an abhorrent person aren’t you?

Barcham said :

It was a rather nice turnout at the wind rally, and everyone was having a great time.

Hundreds of audience member clapping and making whale song noises along to Bec Taylor and Chris Endrey singing the Sky Whale song is a little Canberra moment I’ll not forget soon.

The sun was in attendance too. The day was really pretty until the rally ended, everyone left, and the sun waddled off to be replaced by rain clouds.

Group hugs and several verses of Kumbaya I guess?

Spiral said :

Now I have visions of skywhale being blown into a huge wind turbine.

Hmmmm. How do we arrange that?

I like the idea of one person’s fantasy being destroyed by another person’s fantasy.

I guess that Alan Jones wasn’t offering ‘free’ government rebates that the rest of us will pay for…

Next up we’ll have to have a Praise Ra Rally…

Now I have visions of skywhale being blown into a huge wind turbine.

Hmmmm. How do we arrange that?

It was a rather nice turnout at the wind rally, and everyone was having a great time.

Hundreds of audience member clapping and making whale song noises along to Bec Taylor and Chris Endrey singing the Sky Whale song is a little Canberra moment I’ll not forget soon.

The sun was in attendance too. The day was really pretty until the rally ended, everyone left, and the sun waddled off to be replaced by rain clouds.

I just went past the Jones rally – looked to be under 100 people there. Looked to be a fairly quiet affair. But hard to compare with the pro-wind power rally in Civic; there could be lots of curious onlookers there who don’t feel strongly one way or the other. As for Parliament House, there just aren’t that many people wandering about, especially on a day like today.

Having said that, GO WIND POWER!

Do we have pics (or can they be linked to) of the Jonesian rally for comparison?