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A new ANU presidential election as Fleur Hawes gets the boot

By johnboy - 7 March 2012 55

Woroni bringsa new wrinkle to the storied saga of the ANU Student Association presidency as Fleur Hawes has had to resign following losing her appeal against academic exclusion, a proceeding she’d neglected to mention to her colleagues.

As per the ANUSA constitution, Vice-President Alice McAvoy is currently acting President whilst Education Officer Tom Barrington-Smith is acting Vice-President. The General Secretary, Tara Mulholland said that nominations would open on Thursday with elections likely to be held on Monday 19th – Wednesday 21st March.

Another promising political career cut short.

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A new ANU presidential election as Fleur Hawes gets the boot
Chop71 3:27 am 08 Mar 12

Well, they probably saved her 100k in HECS fees by putting an end to it and kicking her out.

c_c 1:16 am 08 Mar 12

I note in expectation of someone pointing out my own harsh comments about ANUSA and student society members including Fleur, that those comments were directed at their professional capacity and performance as individuals elected to a formal office. None of the comments went so far as to wish some personal ill on an individual, nor that such an ill would be deserved.

Diggety 12:22 am 08 Mar 12

c_c said :

Diggety said :

This is probably the best thing that could happen to Fleur Hawes (and possibly us).

Student politics/activism spawns terrible human beings, and in some cases that is foisted upon us later by their more aspirational political careers.

Case in point: the monkies throwing turd at each other in parliament house at the moment.

Some of these comments are messed up. Fleur’s intentions were in the right place, she worked hard. She wasn’t a hack just looking to pad a resume, she’s genuine. But she was also naive, immature and wasn’t great at organisation. And without these, even the most well intentioned and intelligent can be brought down.

I think people should show some regard for her feelings and take it easy.

I don’t know how academic exclusions work but I suspect it makes it very difficult to enrol at another University, or have existing course credits recognised. Meaning she may be without an academic future, yet have the bulk of a degree sitting on HECS. And she sure as hell doesn’t deserve that.

1. Exclusion won’t block her from other universities.

2. My comment was not criticizing Fleur, rather the game she was playing. Many are well intentioned from the start, but student politics do not accommodate good intentions (or prioritize student welfare for that matter).

3. “I think people should show some regard for her feelings and take it easy.” – c_c

Read your own comments/articles, then try telling everyone else that.

4. Fleur will be fine.

Ray Polglaze 11:48 pm 07 Mar 12

Fleur Hawes says in the Woroni article that “at a lot of Universities, you must be a current student to stand for election; you do not have to be a student during your term, allowing the President to defer their studies whilst they focus on students”.

I think she has a point here. Maybe the problem isn’t with her but with the rules.

It’s perhaps relevant that Camila Vallejo, the Chilean student federation president who in 2011 emerged as one of the most respected figures in Chile and the world (see Time, Newsweek and the UK Guardian), was able to defer her studies to focus on her work as a student advocate.

Perhaps the ANU and the ANUSA need to take a look at their rules.

LSWCHP 11:31 pm 07 Mar 12

c_c said :

Some of these comments are messed up. Fleur’s intentions were in the right place, she worked hard. She wasn’t a hack just looking to pad a resume, she’s genuine. But she was also naive, immature and wasn’t great at organisation. And without these, even the most well intentioned and intelligent can be brought down.

I think people should show some regard for her feelings and take it easy.

I don’t know how academic exclusions work but I suspect it makes it very difficult to enrol at another University, or have existing course credits recognised. Meaning she may be without an academic future, yet have the bulk of a degree sitting on HECS. And she sure as hell doesn’t deserve that.

Plainly, unless there has been some gigantic conspiracy or miscarriage of justice, she does deserve that.

The point of going to university is to be educated through enrolling in classes, attending the classes, taking exams etc. It’s pretty conventional and well understood stuff, and all else (drugs, sex, booze, politics etc) while a lot of fun, is secondary. So Fleur worked hard. it appears though, that she worked hard at being a student politician, but not at her classes. Being a student politician seems like huge fun, but it won’t get you credit for courses. Maybe she should’ve focussed her energies in more profitable directions.

She’s an adult. She made her choices about how to spend her time and energy, presumably freely and without coercion. Now she’s banged up against a bit of cold hard reality. Welcome to the world of grownups Fleur.

c_c 11:07 pm 07 Mar 12

Diggety said :

This is probably the best thing that could happen to Fleur Hawes (and possibly us).

Student politics/activism spawns terrible human beings, and in some cases that is foisted upon us later by their more aspirational political careers.

Case in point: the monkies throwing turd at each other in parliament house at the moment.

Some of these comments are messed up. Fleur’s intentions were in the right place, she worked hard. She wasn’t a hack just looking to pad a resume, she’s genuine. But she was also naive, immature and wasn’t great at organisation. And without these, even the most well intentioned and intelligent can be brought down.

I think people should show some regard for her feelings and take it easy.

I don’t know how academic exclusions work but I suspect it makes it very difficult to enrol at another University, or have existing course credits recognised. Meaning she may be without an academic future, yet have the bulk of a degree sitting on HECS. And she sure as hell doesn’t deserve that.

LSWCHP 10:53 pm 07 Mar 12

I’m not so sure about her political career being cut short.

IIRC, Paul Howes used to hang around Sydney Uni during his yoof. He didn’t actually enrol or attend classes…he just hung around and agitated for stuff, attended demonstrations, annoyed the citizens etc etc. And now he and a couple of his mates pretty much run the ALP from behind the scenes without being elected by the people, appearing in parliament or anything like that.

I wish he truly ruly was an actual faceless man. If you see his face…

Diggety 10:43 pm 07 Mar 12

This is probably the best thing that could happen to Fleur Hawes (and possibly us).

Student politics/activism spawns terrible human beings, and in some cases that is foisted upon us later by their more aspirational political careers.

Case in point: the monkies throwing turd at each other in parliament house at the moment.

thatsnotme 8:56 pm 07 Mar 12

NoAddedMSG said :

I feel a bit sad for her – she has lost her job (ANUSA president gets paid), her uni career, and quite possibly her housing as well.

Yet if only she had gained some prioritisation skills, she’d likely not be in this situation.

c_c 7:17 pm 07 Mar 12

NoAddedMSG said :

I feel a bit sad for her – she has lost her job (ANUSA president gets paid), her uni career, and quite possibly her housing as well.

Sad but exclusion only happens after repeated formal warnings in writing and meeting with staff. So many chances to stop it from reaching this.

NoAddedMSG 6:59 pm 07 Mar 12

I feel a bit sad for her – she has lost her job (ANUSA president gets paid), her uni career, and quite possibly her housing as well.

EvanJames 6:13 pm 07 Mar 12

Chop71 said :

She would have had more fun drinking beer and failing university.

People called Fleur never drink beer.

theaccusedthugsrelat 5:47 pm 07 Mar 12

Chop71 said :

She would have had more fun drinking beer and failing university.

She knew how to enjoy herself. Used to order a cocktail called a “wet pussy” http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4979.html

we couldnt figure how that worked been a feminist

Chop71 5:39 pm 07 Mar 12

She would have had more fun drinking beer and failing university.

bd84 5:22 pm 07 Mar 12

Fail. Literally…

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