A speech the like of which we are unlikely to hear in ACT politics

johnboy 22 January 2013 44

If you haven’t had a listen to Barack Obama’s second inaugural address it’s well worth a listen.

While meant for an American audience it struck me that he’s getting close to a viable political philosophy for the 21st century in stark contrast to the ever more tired nostrums of Australia’s political parties.

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DrKoresh DrKoresh 3:48 pm 24 Jan 13

FrenchRioter said :

Clearly, the richs should not be blamed for all the problems. It’s the working people who should be blamed. And they should be blamed for not fighting for democracy. Because they believe that voting = democracy.

http://www.le-message.org/?lang=en

For all this fine nation’s faults, I don’t think we need to be taking advice from France. Maybe when you guys chill-out on the religious conflicts and lay-off the institutionalised racism we can have a chat together about how to run a country properly.

thebrownstreak69 thebrownstreak69 1:22 pm 24 Jan 13

davo101 said :

Tetranitrate said :

Yields on 30 year US government debt are at this moment 3.05%, 10 years 1.86%. Short term yields lower. In the long run US inflation is somewhere around 3%. Oh shock horror. The market that your worship seems to think US government debt is quiet sustainable.
More importantly though it’s literally impossible for the USA to involuntarily default since their liabilities are in their own currency.

Also around 70% of the debt is held by Americans, and something like half is held by the US government itself.

+1. The numbers are big, but the issue is more political than financial. Their biggest problem is trying to resolve the gap between the rich and poor.

IrishPete IrishPete 1:22 pm 24 Jan 13

davo101 said :

Jethro said :

The economy is supposed to serve us, not the other way around.

The economy is not “supposed” to do anything it’s an emergent property of the interaction between people. I think you need to attack the problem from the other end.

and now we see the violence inherent in the system?

IP

johnboy johnboy 10:13 am 24 Jan 13

Kurrajong said :

One day, Australia must go to a mandatory 4 year term for federal government, if not across all Australian state and territory jurisdictions.

I’d prefer we didn’t as long as we remain a parliamentary democracy.

Kurrajong Kurrajong 10:10 am 24 Jan 13

One day, Australia must go to a mandatory 4 year term for federal government, if not across all Australian state and territory jurisdictions.

davo101 davo101 9:49 am 24 Jan 13

Tetranitrate said :

Yields on 30 year US government debt are at this moment 3.05%, 10 years 1.86%. Short term yields lower. In the long run US inflation is somewhere around 3%. Oh shock horror. The market that your worship seems to think US government debt is quiet sustainable.
More importantly though it’s literally impossible for the USA to involuntarily default since their liabilities are in their own currency.

Also around 70% of the debt is held by Americans, and something like half is held by the US government itself.

FrenchRioter FrenchRioter 5:35 pm 23 Jan 13

2604 said :

Blaming everything (GFC, poverty, high unemployment, the federal deficit) on “millionaires and billionaires” who aren’t “paying their fair share” isn’t particularly brave or remarkable. It is just cheap demagoguery. Same goes for spending like a drunken sailor to curry favour with voters and labelling anyone who disagrees a libertarian.

Clearly, the richs should not be blamed for all the problems. It’s the working people who should be blamed. And they should be blamed for not fighting for democracy. Because they believe that voting = democracy.

http://www.le-message.org/?lang=en

Masquara Masquara 2:21 pm 23 Jan 13

Skidd Marx said :

Obama makes me feel all warm and fuzzy when he speaks about gay marriage and gun control. He has the opportunity to be one of the greatest humans who ever lived. Let’s hope he doesn’t turn out to be another toothless tiger, because in his first term he delivered F.A.

What do you expect Obama to be able to deliver in the face of the NRA and an aggressive Congress? As for “greatest human”, sweet jesus! You’ve really fallen for the charisma. In terms of policy outcomes, that little peanut farmer from the South achieved way more.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 11:50 am 23 Jan 13

Deckard said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Obama is the man. End of story.

Take a screen shot of that! It’s the most sensible thing you’ve ever written 😉
I think I have a man crush on Obama… People bag him for the state of the US economy but I reckon without him they’d be in a much worse situation. And so would we.

Exactly. But it’s a easy target for opposition to jump on to win over the half witted.

Skidd Marx Skidd Marx 11:41 am 23 Jan 13

Obama makes me feel all warm and fuzzy when he speaks about gay marriage and gun control. He has the opportunity to be one of the greatest humans who ever lived. Let’s hope he doesn’t turn out to be another toothless tiger, because in his first term he delivered F.A.

bikhet bikhet 10:41 am 23 Jan 13

Jethro said :

Anyone who thinks economic libertarianism serves the interests of anyone other than the super-wealthy who have rigged the game in their favour needs their head checked.

The economy is supposed to serve us, not the other way around.

I think you might be confusing libertarianism with the corporatocracy or plutocracy which often tries to pass for libertarianism in the US – and other places. I admit that the supporters of deontological libertarianism can be a bit wacky (or more than a bit), but consequentialist libertarianism is a good place to start in any discussion of public spending.

davo101 davo101 10:24 am 23 Jan 13

Jethro said :

The economy is supposed to serve us, not the other way around.

The economy is not “supposed” to do anything it’s an emergent property of the interaction between people. I think you need to attack the problem from the other end.

Duffbowl Duffbowl 10:19 am 23 Jan 13

2604 said :

… spending like a drunken sailor …

Can we get rid of this saying? As a former sailor who was known to get drunk on occasion, it was considered better form to drink on other people’s coin, and save yours for a rainy or, as the case may be, dry day.

Examples of how this was achieved may be given on request.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 9:38 am 23 Jan 13

c_c™ said :

Worth saying that if Obama had the guts to stand behind immigration and same-sex marriage in his speech, despite all the context on American society

+1

Masquara said :

martin75 said :

Barack Obama talks about equality for women in his inauguration speech. And then we’re told in great detail what his wife and daughters were wearing. WTF?

Not to mention that he hid his wife away for his entire initial campaign.

Umm… no he didn’t:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJvYTBPDb1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvZ5nPFW5H8

I love his speeches. But as is always the case, it comes down to what he can get through the two houses of their parliament (and through his own party!).
But the second term is the time to go out with all guns blazing (inappropriate metaphor) including clamping down on the gun culture and stepping up to the plate on climate change. He’s showing signs of commitment on these. Add it to getting Medicare in, and that’s just about as much major culture shift as you could expect of America from one president…

Jethro Jethro 9:29 am 23 Jan 13

2604 said :

johnboy said :

No but he’s at least facing up to the self-serving billionaire funded libertarianism which is the real political battle of our time. (for all that almost no political pundits seem to realise it)

Blaming everything (GFC, poverty, high unemployment, the federal deficit) on “millionaires and billionaires” who aren’t “paying their fair share” isn’t particularly brave or remarkable. It is just cheap demagoguery. Same goes for spending like a drunken sailor to curry favour with voters and labelling anyone who disagrees a libertarian.

The real issue for the US is its unsustainable federal government debt, which requires a combination of higher taxes and drastic spending cuts to address. The GOP won’t allow the former, the Dems will never allow the latter.

Anyone who thinks economic libertarianism serves the interests of anyone other than the super-wealthy who have rigged the game in their favour needs their head checked.

The economy is supposed to serve us, not the other way around.

davo101 davo101 9:28 am 23 Jan 13

Ben_Dover said :

I’d prefer a less flowery well meaning, actorish, rather more capable, president who was an actual achiever.

Depends entirely on what they want to achieve. You have to remember that the US is a corporatocracy which greatly limits the scope of what is allowed. Look what happens if you have the temerity to suggest that everyone has the right to medical care, you get labelled a “socialist” or worse still a “progressive” or accused of trying to set up a “death panel” to kill off granny.

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 8:51 am 23 Jan 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Obama is the man. End of story.

I’m less than impressed. A good, not great, orator, but otherwise a figurehead with no great ability to achieve change.

The US may be impressed with his impression of a great statesman, I’d prefer a less flowery well meaning, actorish, rather more capable, president who was an actual achiever.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 8:46 am 23 Jan 13

poetix said :

…Such a great voice; never grates on the ears…

This can only be sarcasm, surely.

I’ve few problems with the content of his message (I think), but his delivery is so annoying I can barely listen to what he actually is saying.

In a one on one interview fine, no problems. The guy oozes charisma. How can you not like him.

But…

Stick him, or any US politician to be fair, in front of a crowd, especially one full of supporters, and he returns with a cacophony of noise at a volume that makes it virtually impossible to take in anything he says.

I can’t stand it!

Just calm down dude, they’re on your side mate, haha!

Masquara Masquara 2:44 am 23 Jan 13

martin75 said :

Barack Obama talks about equality for women in his inauguration speech. And then we’re told in great detail what his wife and daughters were wearing. WTF?

Not to mention that he hid his wife away for his entire initial campaign.

Deckard Deckard 12:13 am 23 Jan 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Obama is the man. End of story.

Take a screen shot of that! It’s the most sensible thing you’ve ever written 😉
I think I have a man crush on Obama… People bag him for the state of the US economy but I reckon without him they’d be in a much worse situation. And so would we.

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