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Crackdown threatened on malingering pubes

By johnboy 30 December 2013 49

The Australian is running with glee on news of a crackdown on sickies in the public service:

Senator Eric Abetz, the Minister assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, said “taxpayers are entitled to expect that their money is spent efficiently and effectively, with minimum waste on excessive sick leave”.

“Managing unscheduled absence is a critical issue for the Australian Public Service and is being addressed at the highest levels of the service,” Senator Abetz told The Australian. “Where agencies or departments have problems in this regard, agency heads should be taking steps to reduce sick rates.”

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DrKoresh 9:39 am 02 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

chilli said :

Thank God, too I was in the public sector by then, because my previous private sector job didn’t include any sick leave entitlements (my employer helpfully categorizing me as ‘casual’ even though I had the same set shifts for 10 years).

Not entirely sure that’s legal. Unions have their uses…

IP

Yeah, but in practice there’s really not much you can do. I was dicked around in a similar fashion by a certain well-known chain of local supamarkets- er, supermarkets rather, and the red tape you have to go through to get any kind of action is mountainous.

watto23 9:14 am 02 Jan 14

I’ve worked under many private companies with different sick leave schemes.

Where you get 2 weeks a year and it doesn’t accumulate, people made sure they took as much of their 2 weeks each year that they could. ie a sniffle etc. I’m sure some non legitimate sick days as well.
However then I needed ~4 weeks off for surgery and i only had the 2 weeks despite being there for 5 years so i had some unpaid leave plus some of my rec leave. Not a big issue, but in some ways not overly fair either.

I also worked where sick leave was unlimited with medical certificate and (i think consecutive days was limited without evidence/proof why). People there rarely took sick days as they were not a scarce commodity.

Rec leave is a problem, because its an OH&S issue if you don’t take time off during the year. Harder to do in the private sector, because many enforce 2 weeks off at xmas to use up some leave (which i personally hate as i do use my leave for OS travel).

The whole public service has become disconnected from what everyone else has to deal with.
The sooner they freeze wages for a few years and change rules regarding dismissals, the sooner they’ll get to their reduction numbers. No I’m not a liberal work choices fan either, but the APS has swung so far away from that, it needs help swinging back to a more balanced workplace.

chilli 5:45 pm 01 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

chilli said :

IrishPete said :

chilli said :

Sounding more and more like Dickensian England. How old are you?

Being sacked without good reason isn’t legal either, and facing personal unpleasantness with a view to making you “choose” to leave is called constructive dismissal and is also not legal. Any small business owner behaving like that deserves to be drawn over the legal coals. When they stop being just a family business and take on employees, they take on responsibilities to act like a human being.

IP

My personal experience with small businesses was 1980s and 1990s (so, not quite Dickensian unless you’re Gen Z).

While I agree that small business owners should ‘take on responsibilities to act like a human being’, seeking legal redress and being the squeaky wheel winning workplace rights doesn’t exactly endear you to either the owner or, often, to your fellow employees – even if they also benefit. You can be perceived by them as being disloyal and disruptive.

So yes, you may have won entitlements and better conditions, but then you face the prospect of working at close quarters with a boss who (at best) resents you and colleagues who don’t much like you any more.

There are some great things about working in a small business – it can be wonderfully flexible, and there aren’t endless hoops to jump through – but in the end, for me at any rate, to change my conditions I had to change my job.

IrishPete 4:36 pm 01 Jan 14

screaming banshee said :

chilli said :

…., in my experience, the reality in a small business is that if an individual employee disturbs the boss’s equilibrium to any great degree doesn’t pull their weight they will either get the sack, or face such personal unpleasantness at work that the employee will usually choose to leave.

One of the chief delights working in the public sector is that you don’t have that kind of crap to contend with to have any work ethic.

Fixed it for you

Clearly someone who has never worked in the public service, to make such sweeping generalisations. Yep, there are some people like that, but there are plenty of them in the private sector too – in banks, shops, car dealerships, real estate agents and on and on.

And please feel free to approach the next police officer, ambulance officer, nurse or paid firefighter you have to deal with, and let them know your opinions about public servants. Because they are public servants too and public opinion of them is generally very very high.

IP

IrishPete 4:32 pm 01 Jan 14

chilli said :

IrishPete said :

chilli said :

Thank God, too I was in the public sector by then, because my previous private sector job didn’t include any sick leave entitlements (my employer helpfully categorizing me as ‘casual’ even though I had the same set shifts for 10 years).

Not entirely sure that’s legal. Unions have their uses…

IP

My then employer was apoplectic when a potential new employee suggested a contract (the lack of trust! She didn’t get the job), so God knows what he would’ve done if he’d even smelt a union official within 100 metres of the place.

I have no idea about the legality (as it applied at that time) of long term casual employment but, in my experience, the reality in a small business is that if an individual employee disturbs the boss’s equilibrium to any great degree they will either get the sack, or face such personal unpleasantness at work that the employee will usually choose to leave.

One of the chief delights working in the public sector is that you don’t have that kind of crap to contend with.

Sounding more and more like Dickensian England. How old are you?

Being sacked without good reason isn’t legal either, and facing personal unpleasantness with a view to making you “choose” to leave is called constructive dismissal and is also not legal. Any small business owner behaving like that deserves to be drawn over the legal coals. When they stop being just a family business and take on employees, they take on responsibilities to act like a human being.

IP

Katietonia 3:49 pm 01 Jan 14

When I lived in the Netherlands if you called in sick someone (never understood exactly who these people were) would come to your house at a random time and question you. Luckily for me the only time it happened to me was after dental surgery so they could see I was sick. They weren’t doctors. .. and didn’t work for the company. I think they were an external company employed to check if people were sick. So many privacy and moral issues with this practice but it worked!

chilli 12:11 pm 01 Jan 14

screaming banshee said :

chilli said :

…., in my experience, the reality in a small business is that if an individual employee disturbs the boss’s equilibrium to any great degree doesn’t pull their weight they will either get the sack, or face such personal unpleasantness at work that the employee will usually choose to leave.

One of the chief delights working in the public sector is that you don’t have that kind of crap to contend with to have any work ethic.

Fixed it for you

Hmm. Clearly, giving up cliches wasn’t one of your New Years resolutions.

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