Govt contemplating Fireworks Ban

Jazz 29 October 2007 62

Fireworks on the Queens Birthday long weekend is one of those issues that always gets Canberran’s going. You either love them, or spend long hours afterwards trying to find your dog who’s run away. ABC Online have a brief snippet this morning on two public meetings that will be held shortly on the subject of a ban for private use of Fireworks next year. IMO this would be a radical change for Canberra who has long been held in envy by the rest of the country for allowing us to blow stuff up over that weekend. Sure we take a few liberties with when they get let off and the odd letterbox gets exploded but its all harmless fun isn’t it?

The review panel will be made up of representatives from the RSPCA, fireworks industry and police.

No idea where the hearings will be held so if anyone knows, please share it with the rest of us.

[Ed. eh_steve has come through with the following information about the consultation. also in the comments]

More Information:

Copied and pasted from http://www.chiefminister.act.gov.au/media.asp?media=3064&section=56&title=Media%20Release&id=56

FIREWORKS PUBLIC MEETINGS

Minister for Industrial Relations Andrew Barr today announced the details of two public meetings to be held on consumer fireworks, saying the meetings are an important part of the ACT Government’s review of the Dangerous Substances Act 2004.

Mr Barr said a panel of experts, with a variety of perspectives on the use of fireworks over the Queen’s Birthday Long Weekend, will be present at the meetings.

“The ACT Government has previously announced we will be reviewing the Dangerous Substances Act 2004, which includes the regulation of consumer fireworks,” Mr Barr said.

“Two public meetings are being held to provide members of the community with the opportunity to comment on the current and future regulation of consumer fireworks.

“I encourage all members of the community to attend a meeting. The community’s response at the public meetings will assist the Government to determine whether there is a need to further regulate or deregulate the use of consumer fireworks.”

“The meetings reflect the Government’s commitment to a comprehensive and transparent consultation process on the future of fireworks in the ACT,” Mr Barr concluded.

The panellists include Michael Linke, CEO of the RSPCA; Martin Brady, Director of Fireworks Australia; Senior Constable Maxim Mokrij, Australian Federal Police; and a staff member from the Office of Regulatory Services. The panel members will participate in discussions and respond to any questions posed by members of the public.

The meetings are open to all members of the public.

The meetings will be held at:

· 6.30-8.30pm, Monday 12 November 2007 at Lake Tuggeranong College, Cowlishaw Street, Tuggeranong; and

· 6.30-8.30pm, Tuesday 13 November 2007 at Lake Ginninderra College, Emu Bank, Belconnen.

Pre-registration is preferred. In order to register, please email DSAReview@act.gov.au or telephone (02) 6205 0338

Mr Barr said that the community consultation process for consumer fireworks also includes public submissions and an online survey which can be accessed http://www.psm.act.gov.au/oir_fireworks.html. The closing date for both the survey and submissions is 30 November 2007.]


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Lord Mælinar Lord Mælinar 9:04 am 01 Nov 07

dunno but here is a story about somebody shooting one

p1 p1 7:46 pm 31 Oct 07

Ban Oranges!

I wonder what a frozen orange would do to a speed camera?

Lord Mælinar Lord Mælinar 2:58 pm 31 Oct 07

PC Plod is more than aware of the area. Short of calling in CSI to reverse-engineer the trajectory on a computer animation, and doing a posey look while taking off their sunglasses, there’s not a lot of ‘bang’ (pardon the pun) they can add.

Best hope for the underfunded protectors of society and all that is good is locating the speed camera on arterials and the occasional drive-by patrol. What is really needed is a resident community cop.

Thumper Thumper 2:48 pm 31 Oct 07

Totally agree VY…

VYBerlinaV8 VYBerlinaV8 2:34 pm 31 Oct 07

Despite my ratbaggy nature, I agree that building and firing a device like this in the suburbs is pretty stupid. If you want to build this kind of thing, take it for a drive and fire it somewhere where there are no breakable things (like people) around.

RAGD RAGD 2:30 pm 31 Oct 07

LM – I’ve been there , done that. When I was in year 12 , 13 odd years ago my friends and I concocted an ‘orange gun’. However it was only a plumbing plastic pvc pipe thing and it only had a range of a few hundred metres at best, even with a frozen orange. Brand new fluffly tennis balls were another favourite because they would catch fire and light up the sky on their way down although they would not travel as far.

Anyways like I said before I am not into physics so I can’t say for sure.

However I take into account your experiences and say this, maybe you should call the police or something. If a frozen orange is travelling 2kms through the air, when it comes down it WILL cause damage and could cause serious injury or death to someone. My friends and I did it at the back of a reserve, no houses around. If someone is letting something like that off in a resindetial area then it’s only a matter of time before an incident occurs.

and Sorry for highjacking thread…. hehe..

I say Keep the fireworks…

S4anta S4anta 2:25 pm 31 Oct 07

Mael,

May I suggest that no-one tries this. As you may have noticed there was passing comment about the protogonist and the fact he has a severely burnt hand. I babysit obne of the pups in his family, and that is how i know of this sad story.

I cannot stress how stupid it is to build and fire one of these things. Please do not do this, no matter what you think, this is not a smart, or romantic notion.

Lord Mælinar Lord Mælinar 2:13 pm 31 Oct 07

RAGD – this is a story in 2 parts.

S4anta lives near the firing site, I live near the impact site (one of them). Because we know one another – we made the link between two separate incidents in our neighbourhood (S4anta hears bangs, I seem to find a lot of oranges on the golf course).

I have not seen an airborne orange – although given some of the statistical information (density, trajectory, speed, distance), I don’t want to because of Murphys Law.

Suffice to say, you might have to get the freezer and bbq into action to confirm the 2km range for yourself as it seems a little bit hard to convince you of the merits of the circumstance we have been describing.

S4anta S4anta 2:04 pm 31 Oct 07

frozen oranges, BBQ gas, stock standard orange gun = 2km range. you just need to pressure test device after each couples of pops to ensure no death as a result of stress/ bad construction.

so i have been told.

RAGD RAGD 1:42 pm 31 Oct 07

“They call them mortars RAGD – not a new technology.”LOL – I know .. I was attempting to be sarcastic. However sacarsm does not really convey by typing.

I understand VY.. however 2km still seems too long. I figure it like this. The average human walks(not power walk, normal pace walking) 5km an hour. 2km would take around 20-25 mins to walk give or take.
Now if you stood at point A, fired the orange gun, then walked straight line to point B for 20-25 mins you would get to where the orange landed?

If you put it that way to me it seems way too long. However I dont have a Physics Degree… so maybe I am wrong. I just try to think of it in terms of distance I can relate to and understand.

VYBerlinaV8 VYBerlinaV8 12:37 pm 31 Oct 07

Another variant is to push a large banger into the orange with some fuse and light it immediately prior to firing. With some practice you can it to either explode in mid air, or when very close to the target.

VYBerlinaV8 VYBerlinaV8 12:35 pm 31 Oct 07

Given that an orange is typically a good spherical shape, and has many small indents on the surface (kinda like a golf ball), I would think that with enough propulsion 2 kilometres is definitely achievable. It’s also worth remembering that you can vary the range by altering the trajectory. 45 degrees gives close to optimum distance, I think. It comes down to basic physics – give it a good shove in the vertical to keep it in the air for a long time, as well as some horizontal push, and it will fly for as long as it can stay in the air. Also, it gains velocity on the way down, despite it’s net forward speed slowing, so you can get the range and still achieve high destructive potential, as the velocity at which it hits the ground will be almost the same as the muzzle velocity when it’s fired (assuming the same altitude for launch and target points).

Lord Mælinar Lord Mælinar 12:33 pm 31 Oct 07

They call them mortars RAGD – not a new technology.

RAGD RAGD 12:25 pm 31 Oct 07

I don’t doubt thats how long it is. I doubt that it can fly that long. 2KM is ridiculously long for a projectile to fly, but I could be wrong.

They should sell their ‘technology’ to the Defence Force. I am sure they could put that to good use. You could fire frozen fruit over sand dunes 2KM away and be driving off before it hit the ground.

Lord Mælinar Lord Mælinar 12:17 pm 31 Oct 07

Google earth it if you like RAGD – Holt IGA to the edge of the housing complex in the golf course as the crow flies.

I didn’t think of freezing them until ingee mentioned it, but it kind of explains the freezer burn effect that is a characteristic of spent ballistics I have found along the fenceline.

RAGD RAGD 12:06 pm 31 Oct 07

2KM is a little unbelievable…

p1 p1 11:55 am 31 Oct 07

Why not just use rocks instead????

Oranges are funnier :o)

To get that kinda range they are probably using nitros oxide as well as their personal favorite hydrocarbon (my vote goes to propane).

Those whipped cream bulbs arn’t just for getting high you know….

Mr Evil Mr Evil 11:28 am 31 Oct 07

Why not just use rocks instead????

Ingeegoodbee Ingeegoodbee 9:46 am 31 Oct 07

Jeeeesus! Has anyone been killed yet?

Lord Mælinar Lord Mælinar 9:31 am 31 Oct 07

Freeze the orange.

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