31 January 2025

Hellenic Club fined $1.2 million after pokies gambler took his own life

| James Coleman
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The man is understood to have gambled $345,000 since 2012 on the Hellenic Club’s poker machines. Photo: Hellenic Club, Facebook.

The Hellenic Club in Woden has been fined $1.2 million for breaking gambling laws after a regular player of its pokie machines racked up hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses and ultimately took his own life.

Raimo Kasurinen, known as Ray, died on 31 March 2020, days after he and his wife’s Toyota LandCruiser was repossessed.

His son-in-law, David Chambers, wrote to the ACT Gambling and Racing Commission, detailing how his parents-in-law had made withdrawals of up to $1000 from the Hellenic Club’s cash machines when the legal limit was $250 per day.

It’s understood Mr Kasurinen and his wife were able to effectively trick the club’s Eftpos facilities by making up to five withdrawals in $200 lots.

Mr Chambers had written to the club about the couple’s problem gambling twice before, in December 2019 and early March 2020, but said it remained “in denial”.

“[The Hellenic Club] were just in complete denial then and remain in denial today,” he said.

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After four years of investigation, the ACT’s gambling regulatory authority has notified Mr Kasurinen’s family that it has decided to “take disciplinary action” against the club.

In the letter, the commission said a reprimand, along with a $1.2 million fine, would act as a “public warning against any further misconduct pertaining to the failure to record problem gambling incidents”.

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The ACT Gambling and Racing Commission found the Hellenic Club had allowed withdrawals of up to $1000 from the club’s cash machines when the legal limit is $250 per day. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

The Hellenic Club has since launched an appeal against the commission’s findings with the ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal (ACAT), saying in a statement it is “disappointed” by the decision.

“The investigation concerned the recording of problem gambling incidents in the gambling incident register maintained by the commission and compliance with regulations relating to limits on the amount of money that could be withdrawn by club patrons via Eftpos,” a club spokesperson said.

“The Hellenic Club has immediately commenced an application for a review of the decision in the ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal.”

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Activity records show the couple had gambled more than $345,000 since 2012 on the club’s pokies.

The Hellenic Club and ClubsACT declined to comment further, given the “ongoing proceedings” with ACAT.

ClubsACT CEO Craig Shannon told Region the industry has raised its concerns about the complexity of the “compliance framework for clubs in this area”.

“The fact the investigation into this matter has taken over four years clearly indicates how complex the current framework is for clubs and the government,” he said.

“We look forward in the current term of the assembly to working with government to enhance the compliance framework and simplify it to ensure our members can continue provide a safe and responsible environment for their patrons.”

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After four “4” years of investigation, FGS.

What garbage.
As far as I’m aware, the Hellenic club weren’t forcing him through the front door. It shouldn’t be up to clubs to police other peoples spending.

If you’d read the article you’d know that the actual issue was that the club had apparently been made aware that the couple in question were breaching the withdrawal limit rule.

Yeah, because the withdrawal limit at the club was going to stop them when woden plaza full of ATMs is a couple of hundred yards away. Jog on, seanocchio.

If you’ve read the article you’d know it’s nothing to do with Woden Plaza Kenbo.

The club is not responsible for what people do outside their premises. They are responsible for people breaking the rules within their premises.

Also, whilst it’s irrelevant to the issue you don’t know Woden at all…the ATMs are not “a few hundred yards” away.

Woden Plaza locks up the Hellenic club side of the mall early. The nearest ATMs that are accessible are on the supermarket side and the access is either walking all the way around to the other side or walking to the maccas and then walking through the plaza from that side.

It helps to be informed.

But it’s the same as any high risk addictive activity. When it can lead to outcomes such as this, because the addicts can’t stop themselves, the people providing the activity needs to ensure that it is safe.

Licenced premises are not allowed to serve people that are visibly intoxicated, doctors don’t prescribe controlled substances to those with drug seeking behaviour, tobacco companies have had to stop advertising and displaying their items. Why should gambling be any different??

By allowing them entry to the premises, when they have such an addiction, The Hellenic club is doing exactly what you say they aren’t. They are forcing them through the door, in this case to their death.

Blow up the Pokies..! Oh, that’s right, Governments are addicted to the licencing and tax revenue. Carry on….

Whilst some things have no other solution than to be banned, generally all that banning things does is drive them underground where there are no checks and balances and no help for those with problems.

Responsible service of gambling should be treated the same as alcohol. But its not. I see people walk in with thousands of dollars and walk out broke all the time.

The only way to stop this is a pre commitment card. Pokies will no longer accept cash

Adults should be free to make their own decisions. The only thing we should have are commonsense checks and balances.

The issue appears to be that the club was advised about the breaking of the withdrawal limits rule and failed to act.

Scott Nofriends1:41 pm 31 Jan 25

Seano, Maybe you should read up on Addiction.

Always been like that. I worked in a club in the eighties when you had to feed coins in machines. I saw a business man often on TV talking about business matters picking up two cent coins left on the bar to get a ten cent piece because his machine was about to pay. I saw constantly the pay day rush of people putting their money through the machines. Sometimes a wife would come in begging for them to stop so they could pay their rent and buy food. The club’s attitude to us staff was it wasn’t up to us to get involved and in no circumstances say anything to a problem gambler. What seen 25 years ago at the Casino though was far worse than any of that.

I don’t have to read up on addiction.

Taking away other people’s freedom and choices is not the way to solve someone’s addiction. I’m sorry but we can’t bubble-wrap the world.

There was a common sense and not unreasonable rule here, it wasn’t followed.

Scott Nofriends5:15 pm 31 Jan 25

No need to be sorry Seano. But let me guess. In your world, the roads have no speed limits either?

Scott.

“There was a common sense and not unreasonable rule here, it wasn’t followed.”

Following your analogy here I’m saying that the solution to two people who are known to authorities to be breaking the speed limit isn’t to put speed limiters in everyone’s cars it’s to enforce the speed limit.

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