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HMAS Canberra arrives!

By johnboy - 17 October 2012 24

Canberra

The Royal Australian Navy have put up a gallery of pictures from the arrival in Melbourne today of the new HMAS Canberra.

They tweeted just how important this ship and its sister Adelaide are going to be:

Canberra bombers yesterday, Canberra class aircraft carriers today (yes I know we’re still pretending it’s for humanitarian relief). Another little clue to the ship’s importance is they’re winding back the clock and putting the hull number 01 on the side.

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24 Responses to
HMAS Canberra arrives!
farnarkler 6:32 pm 18 Oct 12

Sorry but the septics have had over 20 years and 8 examples of the Wasp class to get things right. I’m sure they’d sell a couple to their good allies like Australia.

BerraBoy68 6:16 pm 18 Oct 12

Pork Hunt said :

farnarkler said :

If you bought a car the same way defence buy weapons platforms, you would get your MY 2012 wheels in about 2020.
They would be brand new of course with zero k’s, just obsolete…

Except of course no shipbuilder builds these in bulk in the hope that someone will just wonder by and buy one. The process to buy a new aircraft, ship etc. takes years during which time new technology will be developed that buyer will also want at additional cost etc.. Occasionally, a supplier will let you jump the queue and take a platform nearing completion, but there you go….

For my money, flying any UAV of decent size (e.g. at least a Predator) off one of these within the next 10-15 year is a dream.

Pork Hunt 6:00 pm 18 Oct 12

farnarkler said :

Considering the superstructure is going to weigh in at 2-3 thousand tons, the ship would lean and capsize if it was floated right now.

I am truly surprised that Defence didn’t buy the US Wasp class carriers. Seeing as we lean on the US as defence partners in the region, why not have the same hardware? Off the shelf, they’re $100 million more, however, are bigger. The Spanish design which has been purchased looks to be just like the subs; the hull made by one company, the weapons systems by another, the propulsion by yet another, etc. Ultimately not working properly. It looks like Defence didn’t learn from their mistakes!!

Stop it, you’re making sense. DMO is completely incapable of buying anything off the shelf.
First they have to argue and get xx % Australian content and partial assembly in Australia followed by a squillion modifications from the standard bit of kit.
If you bought a car the same way defence buy weapons platforms, you would get your MY 2012 wheels in about 2020.
They would be brand new of course with zero k’s, just obsolete…

caf 3:17 pm 18 Oct 12

Snarky said :

A question to people who know about these things – why did they have to transport this boat… by boat? Is it not yet completely watertight? Why ship it before it’re ready to float across itself?

Because we heard you like boats, so we put a boat in your boat.

p1 1:42 pm 18 Oct 12

johnboy said :

How many people think buying a 30,000 tonne flat top is anything like buying a car?

It is exactly like buying a car. A car which has four wheels and two chassis rails and little else. I guess the crew could have been issued with paddles?

farnarkler 12:37 pm 18 Oct 12

Considering the superstructure is going to weigh in at 2-3 thousand tons, the ship would lean and capsize if it was floated right now.

I am truly surprised that Defence didn’t buy the US Wasp class carriers. Seeing as we lean on the US as defence partners in the region, why not have the same hardware? Off the shelf, they’re $100 million more, however, are bigger. The Spanish design which has been purchased looks to be just like the subs; the hull made by one company, the weapons systems by another, the propulsion by yet another, etc. Ultimately not working properly. It looks like Defence didn’t learn from their mistakes!!

Snarky 12:17 pm 18 Oct 12

johnboy said :

Because it’s not ready to sail yet. We’re building the superstructure here in Australia and welding it on next year.

Ah! The missing part of the puzzle. Thanks.

johnboy 11:55 am 18 Oct 12

Because it’s not ready to sail yet. We’re building the superstructure here in Australia and welding it on next year.

How many people think buying a 30,000 tonne flat top is anything like buying a car?

Snarky 11:49 am 18 Oct 12

johnboy said :

It could have been towed, but that would have been a high risk operation for such an expensive and rare bit of kit (even if you had the money to replace it you’d wait years for it to be built)

Or we could have put a crew on it and sailed it home ourselves. How many people buy a car and have it delivered by car carrier to their driveway? So – why did we ship it?

dtc 11:37 am 18 Oct 12

AFAIK, its just the hull; there isnt much inside it. So towing could create some issues

johnboy 11:16 am 18 Oct 12

It could have been towed, but that would have been a high risk operation for such an expensive and rare bit of kit (even if you had the money to replace it you’d wait years for it to be built)

Snarky 11:02 am 18 Oct 12

A question to people who know about these things – why did they have to transport this boat… by boat? Is it not yet completely watertight? Why ship it before it’re ready to float across itself?

bundah 10:40 am 18 Oct 12

A modern day Noah’s Ark?

johnboy 9:43 am 18 Oct 12

drones and f35b’s for the ski ramp.

I’d guess we might even start with US Marine’s embarking for the fixed wing aviation at least while we figure it out.

There’s been a lot of talk about getting US assistance in LHD operation, which very much includes fixed wing.

But even as a helicarrier operating with an air warfare destroyer and a submarine we’ll be able to put a real force to sea, and keep it there in the face of enemy action, for the first time since Melbourne was retired in 1982.

neanderthalsis 9:25 am 18 Oct 12

While being “mobile helicopter platforms for humanitarian relief efforts”, I’m guessing the ski jump would make it impractical for super hornets. So do we have any plans to buy V/STOLs ? Harriers and Ospreys would be cool.

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