1 July 2010

Jeremy Hanson declares victory on drug driving

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Colonel Hanson is declaring victory in his crusade to bring drug driving testing to Canberra:

The Legislative Assembly today voted to introduce the Canberra Liberal’s Random Roadside Drug Testing (RRDT) bill into law. This is a tremendous result for ACT road users and finally brings the ACT into line with the rest of Australia.

This legislation will give police the power to prevent some of the carnage on our roads caused by drivers being impaired by illicit drugs. I now urge the Government to move swiftly to implement RRDT, to make this accessible to ACT police, Shadow Minister for Police Jeremy Hanson said today.

“RRDT legislation has been opposed by Jon Stanhope since 2005 when he described it as ‘Redneck’ policy,” Mr Hanson said. “It is not surprising that he has been so reluctant to engage constructively in debating this legislation and politicise what is a important road safety initiative. Now that he has seen the will of the Assembly and the will of the community, I hope that he puts his pride and political opportunism behind him and implements this legislation quickly.

So there we go.

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Thoroughly Smashed12:53 pm 08 Jul 10

farq said :

I could care less about stoners driving around (as long as they keep left and let me pass).

I could care less about stoners driving around (as long as they keep left and let me pass).

Anyway, I thought research was showing that pot did not makes drivers dangerous (if anything they drive slower and more carefully).

This a stupid law that will do nothing to make the roads safer.

Unfortunately the Libs and Greens failed to consult with the major stakeholders and get input into their flawed bill. Drug driving is not just about illegal drugs, we all know they exist and wish they didn’t, however we have more spaced out drivers using legal prescription medicines that when combined with even low volumes of alcohol debilitate a driver. This law fails to even look at that side of the equation. Also at $40 a test, will we as taxpayers get any ROI – answer NO. Drug testing has to be targetted so that you use the “weapon” appropriately. This law is economically flawed and will blow the bottom out of the police budget. Libs and transport are an oxymoron Much like Greens and the environment – ask who blocked the ETS in the Senate – the Greens.

This is a joke and the test’s currently being used are highly innacurate, I know this from experience.
During a stint on parole a friend of mine was submitted to regular surprise drug testing and was never caught despite tests like these.

I recall one morning as I got ready for work my friend was smoking some herb and the parole board arrived litteraly as we sat in our lounge room toking away.
The test was done and not more then 4 or 5 minutes had passed since my friend blew out his last pipe.

After some time panicking the test came back negative.

We have spent a couple of years trying to figure out how that test came back negative.
The final two theories we came up with were;

1) These test are an absolute joke and dont work effectively.

2) He did have a mouthful of cocoa pops a few minutes prior to testing(a stoners fav breaky) and we guessed maybe the milk coated his mouth but if thats the case we cant exactly trust a tester that has trouble locating dope if the testee has recently consumed a spoonful of milk.

p1 said :

Blathnat said :

I think this is just a way of making the older, or more conservative population feel better.

Of the people I know using pot in a semi-regular way, the age representation is pretty spread out up to about 50 or so.

According to ABS stats, cannabis consumption is markedly down in the younger generations: apparently pot isn’t cool because the oldies do it, so they’re more interested in pingers.

Blathnat said :

I think this is just a way of making the older, or more conservative population feel better.

Of the people I know using pot in a semi-regular way, the age representation is pretty spread out up to about 50 or so.

“Acceptable amounts”

Is the amount detectable by the prescribed test. Just so you are sure, if they can detect drugs you are a drug offender. Zero tolerance.

Yes you should know because its already illegal and you can be tested. This legislation is supposed to be about random roadside testing like you get with alcohol.

Blathnat”and it certainly wont stop me smoking a joint on my way home”
You cant smoke on the bus.

I think this is just a way of making the older, or more conservative population feel better. While I have no problem with them targeting illegal and dangerous substances (cocaine, heroin, amphetamines) I don’t like the idea of being done for having a few bongs at a mates place. My main problem though, is that there hasn’t been any set guidlines for “Acceptable amounts”. Is it going to be similar to alcohol and have a blood content, or is it just going to be a blanket “you test positive” sort of thing? Also, they are making this known very well among political and conservative groups, but the majority of the population who are drug users – be it a daily or occasional user – have no idea what is going on with this. I just feel that this will be costly and ineffective, and it certainly wont stop me smoking a joint on my way home

The first person to be booked the day after a party should just hire Jack Pappas to take it to the supreme court.

amarooresident312:54 pm 02 Jul 10

is there an ‘acceptable” amount of drug use allowed? As I understand it, evidence of cannabis use for example stays in your system for up to 6 weeks. I’d hate to think people are going to be fined or lose their license for having used up to 6 weeks ago while their driving is not affected.

icantbelieveitsnotbutter said :

The police comm and the Human rights comm both oppose it (the crrent bill) and say it is unworkable and the charges would not stand up in court? How is it useful?

Listening to the HRC on 666 the afternoon after the Bill was passed, I’m not her views should count for much. She had a terrible time trying to not explain why police stopping you for a roadside breath test was HR compliant but stopping you for a drug tests wasn’t. Anyway, I thought the HR legislation was a guide only (ie legislation and regulations don’t *have* to be compliant).

BOOOOO it wont work

I’m waiting for the first Pothead to try to run from the police RDT, passing them at 40 kph saying to his mate, “woah man, we are flying dude, no way cops can get us!!!!”

Dante said :

Interesting. I guess this might show just how prevalent Canberra’s most socially acceptable illegal activity really is.

I assume that when the local constabulary runs a RDT and catch a percentage of people who have used cannabinoids, they will have to assume that a substantially higher percentage of the population are using them (because most people using are responsible and don’t drive, just like for each drunk person driving there are many who are at home).

icantbelieveitsnotbutter said :

Apart from having the personal appearance of a pez dispenser… I feel Jeremy Hanson possess the political intelect of one as well. The police comm and the Human rights comm both oppose it (the crrent bill) and say it is unworkable and the charges would not stand up in court? How is it useful?

I’d trust the HR Commissioner’s legal opinion as far as I could throw her.

Interesting. I guess this might show just how prevalent Canberra’s most socially acceptable illegal activity really is.

I myself am bracing for the onslaught of your next door neighbour being stung for “drug driving” when cannabinoids are found present.

So what’s next… the removal of decriminalisation in the ACT? That’d be the obvious follow up.

icantbelieveitsnotbutter2:33 pm 01 Jul 10

Apart from having the personal appearance of a pez dispenser… I feel Jeremy Hanson possess the political intelect of one as well. The police comm and the Human rights comm both oppose it (the crrent bill) and say it is unworkable and the charges would not stand up in court? How is it useful?

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