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On Water or On Land Operations

By John Hargreaves - 26 September 2014 34

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We have been engaged in a post on the involvement of the military forces in Iraq and Syria in recent days.

Be that as it may, has anyone spotted the rank hypocrisy of the detail of information we have on that conflict?

We know the names of the towns that are strafed, we know how many troops are on the ground, we know how many SAS soldiers are to be despatched. We know the number and type of warplanes and aid aircraft the RAAF are using in the Middle East.

Bu at the same time, we are denied knowledge of the “on water” operations in the Indian Ocean dealing with the “hordes” of asylum seeker boats. We have been given scant information on Operation Sovereign Borders so as not to give the people smugglers advance notice.

But again, we have told the world, including ISIL what we are doing, when we are doing it and with what we are doing it.

And we wonder why we get a mention in the IS threatening post on the internet.

I can’t understand for the life of me why we need to be secretive about the boat people and so open about the war in the Middle East. If anything, I would have thought it better, strategically to be the other way round.

Mr Morrison says that the secrecy has contributed to the success of Operation Sovereign Borders. Does this mean that the openness of our strategic position will contribute to the failure of the Middle Eastern theatre?

I have seen some comment along these lines in the paper and on the radio lately but how many posters agree with me?

What’s Your opinion?


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On Water or On Land Operations
dungfungus 4:54 pm 27 Sep 14

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

Given that very few Muslim settlers in Australia speak English and have no intention of learning same…

I assume you have some link with figures to back this wild statement up?

Link here which refers to lack of English language and where the entertainment on TV comes from.
Surely you are capable of looking this up yourself.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/between-two-worlds/story-e6frg8h6-1226617453922

dungfungus 4:25 pm 27 Sep 14

HenryBG said :

It’s worked very well.
Starved of material, the whole media circus around illegal immigrants has evaporated, despite the best efforts of the asylum industry to prop up their business by encouraging illegal immigrants to keep coming.

And this is the legacy of Labor’s failure:
http://australian-news.net/articles/view.php?id=130

bigfeet 2:44 pm 27 Sep 14

dungfungus said :

Given that very few Muslim settlers in Australia speak English and have no intention of learning same…

I assume you have some link with figures to back this wild statement up?

HenryBG 12:37 pm 27 Sep 14

It’s worked very well.
Starved of material, the whole media circus around illegal immigrants has evaporated, despite the best efforts of the asylum industry to prop up their business by encouraging illegal immigrants to keep coming.

dungfungus 10:04 am 27 Sep 14

Everybody stay calm. Absolutely nothing to worry about here.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/freedom-of-flight-for-habib-20091205-kbzv.html

dungfungus 7:34 am 27 Sep 14

astrojax said :

dungfungus said :

Are you aware that there are over 50 Islamic free to air satellite TV channels available in Australia? This is where all the grief is being spread to our Muslim settlers. This is the only news feed they watch.

and you know this ‘is the only news feed they watch’ how? and ‘they’ are..? hatemongering much, dungy old chap? take it elsewhere please…

Given that very few Muslim settlers in Australia speak English and have no intention of learning same, they can’t watch Australian TV can they?
Have you ever been to some of the suburbs in Sydney that re predominantly Muslim? Those things on the roof are called satellite dishes. They called Enoch Powell a “hatemonger” too but he was right. You may be comfortable with what is going on but to be in denial is something else. I suggest you circulate in the wider community and talk to people from the Middle East who have been “displaced” by Islam. Call them “hatemongers” and see how far you get.

astrojax 6:36 am 27 Sep 14

dungfungus said :

Are you aware that there are over 50 Islamic free to air satellite TV channels available in Australia? This is where all the grief is being spread to our Muslim settlers. This is the only news feed they watch.

and you know this ‘is the only news feed they watch’ how? and ‘they’ are..? hatemongering much, dungy old chap? take it elsewhere please…

dungfungus 11:18 pm 26 Sep 14

Pork Hunt said :

dungfungus said :

Fair comment John.
I think that Scott Morrison’s policy of “operational secrecy” (it is no different to the “commercial in confidence” that other governments hide behind) has been very successful.
While I am sure IS know exactly what is happening without the media telegraphing every move it is nevertheless something to think about.
Are you aware that there are over 50 Islamic free to air satellite TV channels available in Australia? This is where all the grief is being spread to our Muslim settlers. This is the only news feed they watch.
From time to time, some of these Islamic channels have been closed down because of hate content. Now is the time to close all of them down.

My goodness Dungers, this is not North Korea. If you start shutting down TV channels then the head loppers have already won. What other aspects of our daily lives would you like to see shut down?

They are winning at every opportunity.
The latest is that our military forces have capitulated by telling service people not to wear uniforms. Instead they should be arming them with orders to shoot anyone who makes threats.
They don’t allow our media to be broadcast in their countries so why doesn’t it work both ways?

justin heywood 11:18 pm 26 Sep 14

dungfungus said :

Fair comment John.

By god Dungers, has someone hacked your account?

gazket 9:26 pm 26 Sep 14

Scott Morrison is doing a good job. At least the boaties are no longer ringing the ABC telling them what time they are arriving and can you have a taxi waiting.

It’s Labor’s policy Liberals are implementing . Labor were so cr$p they couldn’t implement their own policy.

It’s more the Americans announcing whats happening in the middle east and after it has happened.

John do you support boaty men stealing life jackets off of women and children and letting them drown. Only Labor/Greens would complain that people are not drowning at sea any more.

JC 8:48 pm 26 Sep 14

dungfungus said :

From time to time, some of these Islamic channels have been closed down because of hate content. Now is the time to close all of them down.

Only if they shut down all News Limited Newspapers too. They seem to spread their own version of hate and propaganda, but guess that is acceptable to the hard right?

Pork Hunt 7:41 pm 26 Sep 14

dungfungus said :

Fair comment John.
I think that Scott Morrison’s policy of “operational secrecy” (it is no different to the “commercial in confidence” that other governments hide behind) has been very successful.
While I am sure IS know exactly what is happening without the media telegraphing every move it is nevertheless something to think about.
Are you aware that there are over 50 Islamic free to air satellite TV channels available in Australia? This is where all the grief is being spread to our Muslim settlers. This is the only news feed they watch.
From time to time, some of these Islamic channels have been closed down because of hate content. Now is the time to close all of them down.

My goodness Dungers, this is not North Korea. If you start shutting down TV channels then the head loppers have already won. What other aspects of our daily lives would you like to see shut down?

Rollersk8r 6:19 pm 26 Sep 14

I have no problem with it whatsoever. It’s called PR. But it’s not like you were a politician or anything…

magiccar9 11:28 am 26 Sep 14

John, seriously you need to let this go. Every single post one of your posts at the moment is about this conflict. We all know your position on the topic. If you want to change what’s happening, run for federal parliament, otherwise pipe down, it’s getting a little monotonous.

dungfungus 11:05 am 26 Sep 14

Fair comment John.
I think that Scott Morrison’s policy of “operational secrecy” (it is no different to the “commercial in confidence” that other governments hide behind) has been very successful.
While I am sure IS know exactly what is happening without the media telegraphing every move it is nevertheless something to think about.
Are you aware that there are over 50 Islamic free to air satellite TV channels available in Australia? This is where all the grief is being spread to our Muslim settlers. This is the only news feed they watch.
From time to time, some of these Islamic channels have been closed down because of hate content. Now is the time to close all of them down.

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