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Science on why cyclist haters are basically nazis

johnboy 2 October 2013 65

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With all the dicussion of cyclists in Canberra it’s worth noting the ABC’s Catalyst program from last week which assigned the mindless rage of flabbies in death boxes (aka cars) on “out-group homogeneity bias”, something the Nazis were rather keen on (just to get Godwin out of the way).

Anyway Nazis may think they’re cool in their Hugo Boss suits hooning around in their tanks.

But it didn’t end well for them did it?

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PBO PBO 1:55 pm 08 Oct 13

Aeek said :

farnarkler said :

Ellenborough St in North Lyneham and Kaleen is a prime example.

Its a prime a example of a path that doesn’t connect to the road where a cyclist may wish to switch.
For a cyclist heading west on Barton Highway, who exits to go to Kalleen, the path connects but its going in the WRONG direction!

Maybe you should petition the ACT guvmint to put out tenders to bring a Final Solution to this issue?

In fact…..

I herewith commission you to carry out all preparations with regard to a total solution of the Cyclist question in those territories of Canberra which are under Vehicular influence, I furthermore charge you to submit to me as soon as possible a draft showing the measures already taken for the execution of the intended Final Solution of the Cyclist question.

Aeek Aeek 12:55 pm 08 Oct 13

farnarkler said :

Ellenborough St in North Lyneham and Kaleen is a prime example.

Its a prime a example of a path that doesn’t connect to the road where a cyclist may wish to switch.
For a cyclist heading west on Barton Highway, who exits to go to Kalleen, the path connects but its going in the WRONG direction!

Innovation Innovation 11:23 am 08 Oct 13

farnarkler said :

I’d like to know why the lycra clad insist on riding on the road when there is a perfectly good bike path no more than 5 metres from the road. Ellenborough St in North Lyneham and Kaleen is a prime example. F*ckwits cycling on the road when a very nice bike path is only metres away.

I’d like to know why some f*ckwit car drivers can’t tolerate bicycles on the road. Their presence on the road doesn’t take much time out of a car drivers day (and may even save time if those cyclists would otherwise be in cars). Or is it just that your driving skills are so crap that you can’t share the road with dissimilar vehicles?

Postalgeek Postalgeek 8:27 am 08 Oct 13

farnarkler said :

I’d like to know why the lycra clad insist on riding on the road when there is a perfectly good bike path no more than 5 metres from the road. Ellenborough St in North Lyneham and Kaleen is a prime example. F*ckwits cycling on the road when a very nice bike path is only metres away.

Because it’s been stated over and over and

farnarkler said :

I’d like to know why the lycra clad insist on riding on the road when there is a perfectly good bike path no more than 5 metres from the road. Ellenborough St in North Lyneham and Kaleen is a prime example. F*ckwits cycling on the road when a very nice bike path is only metres away.

Calling them fckwits while expressing ignorance as to why they do it doesn’t reflect well on you.

The reasons have been repeated a number of times on this site but I’ll repeat them again for you:

1 – Right of way. Cyclists must give way at every single road if on a cycle path. This is not the case when riding on a trunk road.
2 – Directness. Paths may run parallel to a road for a while, but might then diverge. The cyclist might also be planning to turn a right further along. Also relates partly to #1. As a driver you don’t take the slower route through a suburb if you have a more direct trunk road, and you’re not exerting yourself. So don’t expect all cyclists to do something you’re not even prepared to do while sitting down.
3 – They’re legally allowed to.
4 – Quality. Some paths suffer significant degradation or present an unsuitable and uncomfortable riding surface for some bikes such as road bicycles running 110+ psi 700 tyres.

I try to use cycle paths whenever it’s practical because under-trained and inattentive people are allowed to operate heavy vehicles in public spaces and kill and maim a lot of other people each year.
Personally I think your focus is misdirected.

milkman milkman 6:48 am 08 Oct 13

Jono said :

milkman said :

Perhaps you could read my response again.

My problem is when I go to turn a corner on a green light, with no pedestrains about, only to have a cyclist using the footpath veer quickly onto the road to ‘use’ the green pedestrain light.

I’d previously posted that I was also unimpressed as to how some cyclists would ride quickly along a bike path then shoot out across the road without giving way (e.g. on Condamine St), or even ride quickly out onto a pedestrian crossing (e.g. corner Barry Drv and McCaughey St). It’s dangerous and it’s inevitably the car driver to has to slam on the brakes so the cyclist (who disobeyed the law) doesn’t get hit.

The original scenario was absolutely clear – .. “If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop”..

But OK, since you’re responding to a completely different scenario, in what circumstances, can a cyclist be riding across a marked foot crossing, facing a green pedestrian walk signal, cause a car (apparently also facing a green signal) to slam on the brakes?

An intersection where this happens would be nice.

There are several intersections in the city, such as on Constitution Ave and Allara St, which is where I’ve had it happen to me. Pedestrian presses the button to get a green walk signal, changes their mind, lights are green for both motorist (travelling straight ahead) and pedestrian (walking same direction). Normal scenario any vehicle turning left gives way to pedestrian traffic. Go to turn left, no pedestrians, cyclist cycling along Allara St footpath swings out across pedestrian area.

Then it’s either brakes on hard or squashed cyclist.

Look, I believe cyclists have as much right to use the road as cars do, but some of them need to be a lot more careful and follow the road rules properly.

Jono Jono 7:56 pm 07 Oct 13

milkman said :

Perhaps you could read my response again.

My problem is when I go to turn a corner on a green light, with no pedestrains about, only to have a cyclist using the footpath veer quickly onto the road to ‘use’ the green pedestrain light.

I’d previously posted that I was also unimpressed as to how some cyclists would ride quickly along a bike path then shoot out across the road without giving way (e.g. on Condamine St), or even ride quickly out onto a pedestrian crossing (e.g. corner Barry Drv and McCaughey St). It’s dangerous and it’s inevitably the car driver to has to slam on the brakes so the cyclist (who disobeyed the law) doesn’t get hit.

The original scenario was absolutely clear – .. “If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop”..

But OK, since you’re responding to a completely different scenario, in what circumstances, can a cyclist be riding across a marked foot crossing, facing a green pedestrian walk signal, cause a car (apparently also facing a green signal) to slam on the brakes? An intersection where this happens would be nice.

farnarkler farnarkler 7:32 pm 07 Oct 13

I’d like to know why the lycra clad insist on riding on the road when there is a perfectly good bike path no more than 5 metres from the road. Ellenborough St in North Lyneham and Kaleen is a prime example. F*ckwits cycling on the road when a very nice bike path is only metres away.

milkman milkman 6:36 pm 07 Oct 13

Jono said :

milkman said :

Jono said :

milkman said :

Jono said :

Masquara said :

I think cyclists are allowed to cycle across signalised crossings in Canberra too aren’t they? If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop, it’s safe for a cyclist to pedal across.

Unfortunately not. The road rules require cyclists to dismount when crossing at any marked foot crossing, except where there are bicycle crossing lights.

And this makes sense, especially in the context of how some cyclists shoot from bike paths onto crossings at certain locations and any car has to slam on the brakes.

The question that was asked was about cyclists riding across a “signalised” crossing when the pedestrian signal is green, and the vehicle lights are red. If you’re having to slam on the brakes in those circumstances, then do us all a favour and stop driving your car.

You mean like when I slow down to take a corner with a green traffic light, and there’s no pedestrians so you start to turn, and then a cyclist shoots out from the footpath at 25km/h onto the pedstrian area?

Maybe you are the one who needs to hand in whatever passes for a license in your very little world.

I’m sorry that’s it’s so confusing for you. When it was said that the “vehicle lights are red”, it means that, well, the vehicle lights are red. I’m not sure how to simplify it further for you. The scenario was absolutely clear, and if you have to slam on the brakes when a cyclist appears and you’re facing a red light, then the problem is entirely with you.

The question wasn’t about cyclists on pedestrian crossings, it was about cyclists riding across “signalised” lights when the pedestrians had a green walk signal.

Perhaps you could read my response again.

My problem is when I go to turn a corner on a green light, with no pedestrains about, only to have a cyclist using the footpath veer quickly onto the road to ‘use’ the green pedestrain light.

I’d previously posted that I was also unimpressed as to how some cyclists would ride quickly along a bike path then shoot out across the road without giving way (e.g. on Condamine St), or even ride quickly out onto a pedestrian crossing (e.g. corner Barry Drv and McCaughey St). It’s dangerous and it’s inevitably the car driver to has to slam on the brakes so the cyclist (who disobeyed the law) doesn’t get hit.

Jono Jono 5:55 pm 07 Oct 13

milkman said :

Jono said :

milkman said :

Jono said :

Masquara said :

I think cyclists are allowed to cycle across signalised crossings in Canberra too aren’t they? If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop, it’s safe for a cyclist to pedal across.

Unfortunately not. The road rules require cyclists to dismount when crossing at any marked foot crossing, except where there are bicycle crossing lights.

And this makes sense, especially in the context of how some cyclists shoot from bike paths onto crossings at certain locations and any car has to slam on the brakes.

The question that was asked was about cyclists riding across a “signalised” crossing when the pedestrian signal is green, and the vehicle lights are red. If you’re having to slam on the brakes in those circumstances, then do us all a favour and stop driving your car.

You mean like when I slow down to take a corner with a green traffic light, and there’s no pedestrians so you start to turn, and then a cyclist shoots out from the footpath at 25km/h onto the pedstrian area?

Maybe you are the one who needs to hand in whatever passes for a license in your very little world.

I’m sorry that’s it’s so confusing for you. When it was said that the “vehicle lights are red”, it means that, well, the vehicle lights are red. I’m not sure how to simplify it further for you. The scenario was absolutely clear, and if you have to slam on the brakes when a cyclist appears and you’re facing a red light, then the problem is entirely with you.

The question wasn’t about cyclists on pedestrian crossings, it was about cyclists riding across “signalised” lights when the pedestrians had a green walk signal.

milkman milkman 5:27 pm 07 Oct 13

Jono said :

milkman said :

Jono said :

Masquara said :

I think cyclists are allowed to cycle across signalised crossings in Canberra too aren’t they? If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop, it’s safe for a cyclist to pedal across.

Unfortunately not. The road rules require cyclists to dismount when crossing at any marked foot crossing, except where there are bicycle crossing lights.

And this makes sense, especially in the context of how some cyclists shoot from bike paths onto crossings at certain locations and any car has to slam on the brakes.

The question that was asked was about cyclists riding across a “signalised” crossing when the pedestrian signal is green, and the vehicle lights are red. If you’re having to slam on the brakes in those circumstances, then do us all a favour and stop driving your car.

You mean like when I slow down to take a corner with a green traffic light, and there’s no pedestrians so you start to turn, and then a cyclist shoots out from the footpath at 25km/h onto the pedstrian area?

Maybe you are the one who needs to hand in whatever passes for a license in your very little world.

Aeek Aeek 3:52 pm 07 Oct 13

milkman said :

Jono said :

Unfortunately not. The road rules require cyclists to dismount when crossing at any marked foot crossing, except where there are bicycle crossing lights.

And this makes sense, especially in the context of how some cyclists shoot from bike paths onto crossings at certain locations and any car has to slam on the brakes.

Equally a problem with runners intent on their PB, or rollerbladers, etc. The problem is anyone who enters too fast.

Jono Jono 2:59 pm 07 Oct 13

milkman said :

Jono said :

Masquara said :

I think cyclists are allowed to cycle across signalised crossings in Canberra too aren’t they? If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop, it’s safe for a cyclist to pedal across.

Unfortunately not. The road rules require cyclists to dismount when crossing at any marked foot crossing, except where there are bicycle crossing lights.

And this makes sense, especially in the context of how some cyclists shoot from bike paths onto crossings at certain locations and any car has to slam on the brakes.

The question that was asked was about cyclists riding across a “signalised” crossing when the pedestrian signal is green, and the vehicle lights are red. If you’re having to slam on the brakes in those circumstances, then do us all a favour and stop driving your car.

milkman milkman 1:01 pm 07 Oct 13

Jono said :

Masquara said :

I think cyclists are allowed to cycle across signalised crossings in Canberra too aren’t they? If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop, it’s safe for a cyclist to pedal across.

Unfortunately not. The road rules require cyclists to dismount when crossing at any marked foot crossing, except where there are bicycle crossing lights.

And this makes sense, especially in the context of how some cyclists shoot from bike paths onto crossings at certain locations and any car has to slam on the brakes.

Blen_Carmichael Blen_Carmichael 11:43 am 07 Oct 13

There are certain arseholes – both metaphorically and literally – on a driver’s seat and on a bike saddle. Perhaps more of us should avoid this temptation to side with one group, and instead recognise that each could do far more to accommodate the other. Unfortunately, that quixotic wish is right up there with Rodney King’s “Why can’t we all just get along?” comment.

Jono Jono 11:17 am 07 Oct 13

Masquara said :

I think cyclists are allowed to cycle across signalised crossings in Canberra too aren’t they? If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop, it’s safe for a cyclist to pedal across.

Unfortunately not. The road rules require cyclists to dismount when crossing at any marked foot crossing, except where there are bicycle crossing lights.

Masquara Masquara 10:20 am 07 Oct 13

Felix the Cat said :

Masquara said :

They certainly don’t deserve to be roadkill, though, even if they are contributing to their misfortune by cycling across **pedestrian** crossings.

Allowed to do this in Qld.

“Cyclists are now allowed to ride across a signalised pedestrian crossing. Vehicles must give way to cyclists and pedestrians at these crossings. “

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Changes-to-road-rules.aspx

I think cyclists are allowed to cycle across signalised crossings in Canberra too aren’t they? If there’s a red light and the motorist has been required to stop, it’s safe for a cyclist to pedal across.

dkNigs dkNigs 8:39 pm 06 Oct 13

I really don’t understand the bicycle hate in Canberra. We have one of the most comprehensive bike lane networks in the country, the amount of inconvenience you get from bike riders is pretty minimal compared to other cities.

Hell I have to say even the good old “I ride my pushy on the line between the bike lane and car lane so I get less punctures” douchebags seem to of got the hint and started riding in the bike lane, barely see any of them anymore.

milkman milkman 8:26 pm 06 Oct 13

Masquara said :

If lycra didn’t look so ridiculous, no-one would be taking the mickey out of cyclists. Cyclists who wear normal clothes and affect leg-shaving for city commutes deserve to be laughed at. They certainly don’t deserve to be roadkill, though, even if they are contributing to their misfortune by cycling across **pedestrian** crossings.

There is only one demographic with any legitimate claim on wearing lycra: hot women.

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 5:36 pm 06 Oct 13

Masquara said :

They certainly don’t deserve to be roadkill, though, even if they are contributing to their misfortune by cycling across **pedestrian** crossings.

Allowed to do this in Qld.

“Cyclists are now allowed to ride across a signalised pedestrian crossing. Vehicles must give way to cyclists and pedestrians at these crossings. “

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Changes-to-road-rules.aspx

Masquara Masquara 3:26 pm 06 Oct 13

Masquara said :

If lycra didn’t look so ridiculous, no-one would be taking the mickey out of cyclists. Cyclists who wear normal clothes and affect leg-shaving for city commutes deserve to be laughed at. They certainly don’t deserve to be roadkill, though, even if they are contributing to their misfortune by cycling across **pedestrian** crossings.

“don’t” between “who” and “wear” in the above …

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