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The dams keep on rising

By Ralph - 12 July 2007 40

Despite no rain for the past week, local dam levels continue to rise, reaching 40 per cent capacity over the past couple of days. Dam levels are now at their highest level since November 2006.

Further rainfall over the remainder of winter, combined with snow melt should see dam levels well exceed 50 per cent of capacity in the near term. So much for eco scaremongerer Tim Flummery’s doomsday scenario of Australian cities running out of water by year end.

Bans on household irrigation systems should now be lifted, Actew.

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Pierce, I’ll have to be honest. I don’t feel bad about driving a V8 because:
a) It uses less fuel than most 4WDs, which are somehow ‘acceptable’;
b) I hardly drive it anyway because I have another car that’s cheaper to run; and
c) I don’t actually give that much of a crap about the environment.

Now, can we build another dam please?

Thumper 10:26 am 14 Jul 07

I should add that I don’t think pumping tonnes of gases into our atmosphere is a good thing.

Without doubt we need to cut back on emissions, but I still don’t believe it is the major contributor to ‘climate change’.

I think there are many factors and at this stage we still don’t understand them.

pierce 10:15 am 14 Jul 07

Well I never thought I’d see the day when members of the RA were afraid of a little healthy debate.

I’m just interested in balance and dispelling a few inexplicable myths put forward with a base political agenda.

I think using terms like eco-scaremonger and doomsday scenarios sufficiently widen the terms of discussion in this post – unless of course all that Fox watching has convinced you that these are indeed terms of affection.

Anyway, I hope the dams fill up and I hope that responsible action is taken to ensure that this country is better equipped to manage our changing environment. Corporate FUD does not count as this kind of action.

Thumper 8:27 pm 13 Jul 07

I’m just not convinced and none of the science thus far convinces me.

Anyway, with good follow up rains the dam levels here will top 60% which twice as much as we’ve had for a long time. And, the percentage figure really doesn’t matter that much anyway because it’s the amount of water that matters.

To whit, I have a swimming pool that is 100% full doesn’t mean I have a lot of water. I have a dam that is 100% full means I have a little more water. I have a reservoir that is 60% full means I have enough water to flood the fertile valleys of the Nile.

Time for another white shiraz….

Ralph 5:07 pm 13 Jul 07

Mods please?

Pierce, the thread is about dam levels, not theories of AGW.

Please, the evidence is not conclusive and these arguments have been done do death on threads here eons ago. You’ll find that: a) people won’t engage because its been done to death here already; and b) most people around here aren’t convinced either.

pierce 4:36 pm 13 Jul 07

I guess it shows that if you don’t actually read the research.

Allow me to slip on my psychology hat for a moment here – I think your issue VY is that deep down you feel guilty about the extra emissions that a V8 is responsible for but you’re just not prepared to take that responsibility because, well, damn it, cars are fun.

This cognitive dissonance makes you angry and here you are.

It’s ok, it happens to the best of us.

Just goes to show that we really don’t have all the information and evidence at this point. Let’s build another big dam, then build a bridge and get the fsck over it.

pierce 4:02 pm 13 Jul 07

Cheers for the debate at least Thumper, enjoy your beers.

Bless the New Scientist types and their eco-fundamentalist hearts (just like the Lancet and Nature), here’s the response to the Medieval claim: (In short, it’s nuh huh)

Thumper 3:55 pm 13 Jul 07

Fact, in the years 1000 temperatures across Europe where roughly 3-4 C above what they are today.

Anyway, beer time…


pierce 3:44 pm 13 Jul 07

Pulling out the Global-Cooling-was-predicted-in-the-70s argument? – that one has whiskers on it now.

For those who haven’t come across the refutation of this particularly lame argument, in short, human activity from the 40s to the late 60s (in this case the use of sulphate based aerosols) did lead to a .5 degree cooling of the lower atmosphere. Unfortunately it also meant that there was a stack of crap in the air which led to a raft of clean air laws.

When these kicked in, the cooling effect of the sulphate based aerosols was outweighed by the warming effects of the greenhouse gases.

For those who are interested, New Scientist has a pretty definitive guide to the top 26 myths about climate change at

There is a finite amount of water on (and in) the planet, just as there is a finite amount of carbon. All we do with these things is change their forms. They are not ‘created’ or ‘destroyed’.

To all the climate change freaks I would suggest that we really don’t have statistical observations going back anywhere near far enough to draw any real conclusions – in the 1970’s there was a brief ‘global cooling’ scare! Even many scientists agree that although there are pockets of ‘evidence’, that this can’t really be all tied together at this point.

As to the water issue, it is simply a matter of working out how much we need or would like, and how to get it here. Whether or not it falls regularly, as rain, on the local region I think is irrelevant. Water is NOT ‘running out’, like the weak minded would have you believe.

Maelinar 1:44 pm 13 Jul 07

WMD, your hand is still on it, and I don’t have an infatuation with your private parts.

However, I tire of toying with the rabid ones, and therefore won’t bother.

I will depart with this point:

There is no more, and no less, water than there has been on this earth for at least, the last millenium, some would even state aeon.

When the Romans ran out of water, they built aqueducts. When Israel ran out of water, they build aquifers. Canberra has, in whichever respect, run out of water.

Not doing anything will put us in the same category as Babylon, or the Mayans.

And your a cock, learn to live with it.

Thumper 1:39 pm 13 Jul 07

Ah.. It’s Friday and close to beer o’clock.

Everyone is forgiven for everything 🙂

Absent Diane 1:34 pm 13 Jul 07

There you go. Sentence retracted.

Thumper 1:24 pm 13 Jul 07

Not true AD, the most current ice age was at it’s peak roughly 26K BP.

At that time Bateman’s Bay was about 10km inland and you could walk to Montague island.

Technically we are in an interstadial, the time between ice ages.

Absent Diane 1:22 pm 13 Jul 07

Climate change is interesting.. I am personally a fence sitter who leans on the side of better to be safe than sorry.

And apparently by definition we are still in an ice age anyway.

Thumper 1:18 pm 13 Jul 07

Just thought I’d add this.

Australia’s drought history is long and indicates the recurring variations in our climate. Australia has suffered ten severe periods of drought since the keeping of rainfall records. These were in 1864–66, 1880–86 (and 1888), 1895–1903, 1911–16, 1918–20, 1922–23, 1939–45, 1958–68, 1982–83 and 1991–95.

Many other droughts of less severity have affected parts of the continent, causing problems for all concerned. They were in 1926–29, 1933–38,1946–49,1951–52, 1970–73 and 1976.

History and statistics show that a major drought will occur on average every 20 years.

So they are not get longer and more frequent.

BTW Woody, totally agree. Keep the restrictions in place at least until we need the water….

Thumper 12:46 pm 13 Jul 07

Internet? What a stupid comparison.

Droughts have been around for yonks and have been over prolonged periods, yes, longer than this one. And how can you say more frequent? Do we now have a drought with a one week break and then back into it again?

Simple as that.

And I never said climate change didn’t exist, I just wonder if it is to the degree that people are hysterically suggesting.

Ari 12:44 pm 13 Jul 07

they are getting longer and more frequent

Where’s the evidence for that?

pierce 12:41 pm 13 Jul 07

Like the Internet was a buzzword of the 1990s?

Doesn’t mean it’s not here.

Yes droughts have been around forever but the fact that they are getting longer and more frequent is surely cause for concern.

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