The Klan show their true colours

Henry is ignorant of the fact, or has conveniently forgotten, that the modern Middle East was a creation resulting from the European takeover of the region following the demise of the Ottoman Empire.

Hey people have been finding reasons to beat each other since the dawn of time be it power, wealth, land, politics or religion. Religion has it’s good and bad points, just like everything else in life. But sometime we do need a set of “rules” to live by. To quote one of the “great philosophers” of our time:

The anger of a good man is not a problem. Good men have too many rules.
Good men don’t need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many.

HenryBG said :

Spiral said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Haha never seen someone defend the crusades before.

Not trying to defend the crusades. A horrid time when one bunch of psycho nutters fought another bunch of psycho nutters and slaughtered a lot of innocent people.

It is just that so often the Crusades are blamed for being the cause for Islamic/Christian bad feeling

So many people don’t know or just ignore that they were just a symptom of a conflict that had already been running for centuries.

A conflict that really was started by Islam.

The irony being that the lefties who criticise the crusades ignore the fact that it was Islam that was invading, subjugating and colonising the middle-east at the time.

The crusades, by the standards of the day, were a very fine enterprise. Trying to save communities in the middle east from invasion and destruction at the hands of a bunch of nutters from Arabia was a good thing.

The nutters’ hero, Saladin, spent years running away from Richard Lionheart as he was too scared to meet him in battle. It was only bad luck that the French king was a pathetic little self-serving worm and the Germans not much better – if they had backed the Angevin, then we might have had all of North Africa, Egypt, and half the middle-east spared from Islamic conquest, and become part of the rich western civilisation that the rest of Europe enjoys.

The rest of Europe?

Haha, all of Europe is a utopia?

Spiral said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Haha never seen someone defend the crusades before.

Not trying to defend the crusades. A horrid time when one bunch of psycho nutters fought another bunch of psycho nutters and slaughtered a lot of innocent people.

It is just that so often the Crusades are blamed for being the cause for Islamic/Christian bad feeling

So many people don’t know or just ignore that they were just a symptom of a conflict that had already been running for centuries.

A conflict that really was started by Islam.

The irony being that the lefties who criticise the crusades ignore the fact that it was Islam that was invading, subjugating and colonising the middle-east at the time.

The crusades, by the standards of the day, were a very fine enterprise. Trying to save communities in the middle east from invasion and destruction at the hands of a bunch of nutters from Arabia was a good thing.

The nutters’ hero, Saladin, spent years running away from Richard Lionheart as he was too scared to meet him in battle. It was only bad luck that the French king was a pathetic little self-serving worm and the Germans not much better – if they had backed the Angevin, then we might have had all of North Africa, Egypt, and half the middle-east spared from Islamic conquest, and become part of the rich western civilisation that the rest of Europe enjoys.

harvyk1 said :

I’d like to list out the total combined affect that every muslim I know has had on my life…

– They’d take longer lunch breaks on Fridays, it once meant that a few of us sat out in the car for 20 minutes before we all went and got lunch.
– I’d have to remember to ask the take away store to hold the bacon on an egg and bacon roll when I was buying breakfast for a group of friends
– I’d need to remember to include an OJ when buying a round of beers

As you can see, it been a major impact on my life, and this religion of hate needs to be destroyed, how dare my friend asks for an OJ instead of a beer.

As for these threads, it’s nice to see the nutbags out there identifying themselves. All the RA needs now is a “this is a nutbag, ignore all tripe spoken from this person” button.

😀

I’d like to list out the total combined affect that every muslim I know has had on my life…

– They’d take longer lunch breaks on Fridays, it once meant that a few of us sat out in the car for 20 minutes before we all went and got lunch.
– I’d have to remember to ask the take away store to hold the bacon on an egg and bacon roll when I was buying breakfast for a group of friends
– I’d need to remember to include an OJ when buying a round of beers

As you can see, it been a major impact on my life, and this religion of hate needs to be destroyed, how dare my friend asks for an OJ instead of a beer.

As for these threads, it’s nice to see the nutbags out there identifying themselves. All the RA needs now is a “this is a nutbag, ignore all tripe spoken from this person” button.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Haha never seen someone defend the crusades before.

Not trying to defend the crusades. A horrid time when one bunch of psycho nutters fought another bunch of psycho nutters and slaughtered a lot of innocent people.

It is just that so often the Crusades are blamed for being the cause for Islamic/Christian bad feeling

So many people don’t know or just ignore that they were just a symptom of a conflict that had already been running for centuries.

A conflict that really was started by Islam.

Yes, I’m having trouble with editing quotes.

The irony is that when these incompatible religion(s) impose their values on us, it’s you lefties that did so much to facilitate them that will suffer the most: criminals will have their hands chopped off, feminists and homosexuals will be whipped, and prostitutes executed with machine guns. Bravo.

I applaud this erudite expos? of the true nature of the leftie membership – criminals, homosexuals, feminists and prostitutes. If this is true, why aren’t they advertising? It would perform miracles (see Bible) for the ALP’s current membership drive. Imagine the fundraising dinners, the new lines of designer Party wear. No more chook raffles. Think auctions for illegal imports of fake fashion items, prime Columbian coke, Cuban cigars, endangered species?..

bitzermaloney said :

johnboy said :

[/quote At the end of the day, if you call yourself a Christian, you need to accept the whole of the Bible, and can’t pick and choose what you like. .

I can’t say I agree with this. The Bible, like the Koran, is full of contradictions. The smitiness of the OT vs the hippie love messages of JC, the early Muhammad tolerating the unbelievers vs the later M getting in touch with his inner smiter.

History is full of people who choose to be guided by their favourite bits of the bible, refusing to trim the corners of their beards and burning the villages of evildoers who grew two types of grain in the same field or had a preference for zebra burgers (unclean, unclean). If it was true that to be a believer one had to accept and follow the entirety of The Book, people would be utterly paralyzed, caught up in an endless ‘Love them. No, stone them’ loop.

Are the followers of Islam any different?

We never discuss the cultural contexts of the various brands of Islam, the desert and mountain tribal antecedents, the regional cultures that endorse female circumcision and honour killings and valorise violence as a manly quality because the all too likely prospect of those bastards from the other side of the valley coming for our goats requires that we have some much-loved killers among us to keep us safe. The breeding grounds for militant Islam produce similar cultural attributes in the non-Muslim religions as well. Honour killings are a good example.

Personally, if I was a Christian, I’d stick with the Book of Revelations. Now there’s a shining example of bad advertising. None of makes any real sense at all, so you can plunder it for mystical justification for anything. The Whore of Babylon made me write this post.

Thanks for giving ‘smite’ a whole new dimension, JB. I’m feeling more than a little smitey myself.

Spiral said :

Why is it that many people like to point to the Crusades and blame them for ill feeling between Christianity and Islam, yet seemingly ignore that Christian kingdoms in what is now Spain were conquered by Islamic forces about 300 years before the first crusade?

Or that large chunks of the Christian Byzantium Empire had already fallen to Islamic armies and that Egypt was Christian before it was Islamic?

The causes for the Crusades are many and complex. However without a doubt one of the causes was because Islamic rulers had began to persecute Christians and destroy Christian holy sites such as the Church of the Holy Sepulchre which was destroyed nearly 90 years before the First Crusade.

Yes the Crusades were nasty and barbaric, however they were not an unprovoked attack by Chriustianity on Islam. Islam had been attacking Christianity for centuries before the Crusades.

Haha never seen someone defend the crusades before.

And lol @ whoever said that the bible is a historical writing.

Why is it that many people like to point to the Crusades and blame them for ill feeling between Christianity and Islam, yet seemingly ignore that Christian kingdoms in what is now Spain were conquered by Islamic forces about 300 years before the first crusade?

Or that large chunks of the Christian Byzantium Empire had already fallen to Islamic armies and that Egypt was Christian before it was Islamic?

The causes for the Crusades are many and complex. However without a doubt one of the causes was because Islamic rulers had began to persecute Christians and destroy Christian holy sites such as the Church of the Holy Sepulchre which was destroyed nearly 90 years before the First Crusade.

Yes the Crusades were nasty and barbaric, however they were not an unprovoked attack by Chriustianity on Islam. Islam had been attacking Christianity for centuries before the Crusades.

Baggy said :

My problem with the diehard atheists is that they too are fervent as fundamentalists in their belief that there is no such thing as a god.

Me, I’d suggest there isn’t, but give me empirical evidence one way or another. Until then, I’ll chuckle at the irony of atheism.

It’s the vibe…

Masquara said :

Regrettably, the UK experience has been that mosques can be hotbeds of dangeous Islamic radicalism, and more than one “moderate” mullah has been found to be preaching jihad when overseas. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
That said, a suburban mosque in north Canberra run by bona fide moderates should be welcomed by all.

really? can you provide some evidence? how many mosques are there in the UK and what percentage of them are “hotbeds of dangerous islamic radicalism” and what exhaustive investigation and research is this conclusion based on?

yes, there are nutters in every religion. major newsflash, that is…

I think it was christians who helped create the present day muslim religions and belief systems through their little “crusades” into the “Holy Land”. Those christians “educated” the muslims well about intolerance and religious hatred. Interesting that hundreds of years have past us by and still the hatred continues.

As for the thought that to be a christian you have to believe literally in the bible. That’s just silly.

It’s obviously a collection of stories based on oral storytelling tradition (and you do know how to play the game of chinese whispers and what happens to stories retold over and over again?). It was written by people who didn’t even know the moon revolved around the earth or the earth around the sun. They were simple and superstitious and they were pushing a “cause”.

Personally, I like to believe in the stories of a jewish guy called Jesus who I think was the world’s first communist. After all he encouraged people to share all their possessions and criticised his own church for making a profit from religion. It’s most likely the reason the rich priests at the time had him killed.

As for churches, mosques, temples, yadda, yadda, yadda – they are for simple people who have little or no faith in themselves who need the comfort of group thought to feel safe.

Regrettably, the UK experience has been that mosques can be hotbeds of dangeous Islamic radicalism, and more than one “moderate” mullah has been found to be preaching jihad when overseas. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
That said, a suburban mosque in north Canberra run by bona fide moderates should be welcomed by all.

why are the “concerned citizens of canberra” based in nsw publishing a document dated 2009?

not impressed with the concerned citizens of canberra, but falsely attributing this kind of bile to them isn’t right.

My problem with the diehard atheists is that they too are fervent as fundamentalists in their belief that there is no such thing as a god.

Me, I’d suggest there isn’t, but give me empirical evidence one way or another. Until then, I’ll chuckle at the irony of atheism.

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Jim Jones said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Jim Jones said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

c_c said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

There are a lot of problems with Islam that should be able to be discussed.

And anyone thinking that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’ would be well served to actually read the Qu’ran.

And there in lies the problem, all religion relies on interpretation. There are no ‘problems with Islam’ as such, but problems with how the teachings and so on have been interpreted over time, and which parts people chose to follow and which they don’t, just as with Christianity.

What people seem to forget is a lot of high profile clerics, even some labelled as terrorists by various authorities, said that 9/11 was contrary to the accepted interpretation of Islam. Some though said it was compliant.

I wouldn’t describe it as a ‘religion of peace,’ but I wouldn’t describe any religion as that. But then I also wouldn’t tar all in a group with the one brush.

Neither would I, I think all religions have some particularly vile teachings, but, for mine, the biggest problem with Islam is that it has not been through a ‘reformation’

Oh god, not this again.

Apart from Christianity, what religions have had ‘reformations’?

We can safely cross Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Jainism, Bahai, Rastafari and Wicca off the list, as they’ve never had ‘reformations’.

So which religions are you talking about?

most of those religions you have mentioned do not advocate killling non-believers.

‘most’ … lol

which ones do?

Most

Jim Jones said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Jim Jones said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

c_c said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

There are a lot of problems with Islam that should be able to be discussed.

And anyone thinking that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’ would be well served to actually read the Qu’ran.

And there in lies the problem, all religion relies on interpretation. There are no ‘problems with Islam’ as such, but problems with how the teachings and so on have been interpreted over time, and which parts people chose to follow and which they don’t, just as with Christianity.

What people seem to forget is a lot of high profile clerics, even some labelled as terrorists by various authorities, said that 9/11 was contrary to the accepted interpretation of Islam. Some though said it was compliant.

I wouldn’t describe it as a ‘religion of peace,’ but I wouldn’t describe any religion as that. But then I also wouldn’t tar all in a group with the one brush.

Neither would I, I think all religions have some particularly vile teachings, but, for mine, the biggest problem with Islam is that it has not been through a ‘reformation’

Oh god, not this again.

Apart from Christianity, what religions have had ‘reformations’?

We can safely cross Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Jainism, Bahai, Rastafari and Wicca off the list, as they’ve never had ‘reformations’.

So which religions are you talking about?

most of those religions you have mentioned do not advocate killling non-believers.

‘most’ … lol

which ones do?