Tony Abbott’s law of equality of opportunity

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Firstly, my friends or those with whom I covered call me Johno. Others call me Mr Hargreaves for they recognize and respect that they are no friends not mine but they still have class.

Others refer to me by my surname and they have no respect for people they have never met nor do they have any class. And… They usually and cowardly use pseudonyms for they are indeed unsure of themselves, cowardly or bullies. And sometimes a combination of all.

Does this mean I have to call you Mr. Hargreaves? I haven’t frequently referred to people by their last name, outside of formal writing, since I was in year 10. How about “Honest John”?

Thanks for this thread, by the way. I won’t get too involved in the debate though. I just came to watch the fireworks, not set them off.

The Hansard record seems to indicate that Hargreaves took very little opportunity to comment on the public record while an MLA. He has had his time – now he is taking far too much space on this site. Can the mods please give us a break from this bore? Maybe a posting limit?

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

“Wish I’d thought of this when I was an MLA.”

I expect many of your colleagues thought of it.

Not that I know of. But that doesn’t remove the fact that for the public, pollies must be transparent. In this case transparency has been a casualty and no amount of smoke screening will change that.

In the court of public opinion, Mr Abbott has been tried and found guilty not only of sleazy behavior but also rank nepotism.

I would ask: your daughter,wife, partner had run second in a job in Geneva as we have just seen, would you not be suspicious? I think so.

Also,if your daughter told you that another girl had got a scholarship no one knew was available and she was the daughter of a good friend of the person giving the scholarship,wouldn’t you be upset? I think so and rightly.

If a man winked sleazily at an image of your wife, how would you feel?

Flattered.

The ladies I know and have known over my many years would be insulted to the nth by your approach. Your wife indeed has a most unsatisfactory husband and one who clearly has no respect for her.

Hargreaves could you please start saying “women” rather than “ladeeeeees”?

Firstly, my friends or those with whom I covered call me Johno. Others call me Mr Hargreaves for they recognize and respect that they are no friends not mine but they still have class.

Others refer to me by my surname and they have no respect for people they have never met nor do they have any class. And… They usually and cowardly use pseudonyms for they are indeed unsure of themselves, cowardly or bullies. And sometimes a combination of all.

Secondly, most of the women I know and have met are ladies.

“most of the women I know and have met are ladies”
Johnno, maaaaaate, was Amanda Bresnan in this group?

Amanda Bresnan is indeed a lady and one with some class. The incident to which you refer was misrepresented grossly but then pollies are always fair game for mistruths. Ms Bresnan is one lady with whom I enjoy a warm and respectful relationship. Innuendos such as this do you no credit and merely reveal the inner nastiness you have. You must have had an awful childhood and even more awful adulthood thus far to be so embittered and so intrinsically nasty.. May I congratulate you on your pseudonym… it too is accurately descriptive.

So it is OK for you to dismiss the incident entirely by saying it was grossly misprepresented as politicians are fair game but Tony Abbott is a sleaze?
It was so misrepresented that you and your mate B Smyth unreservedly apologised. Gee, it’s tough when one has to apologise for something that didn’t happen.
If you investigate the Abbott incident you would discover that he winked at the radio announcer in response the said announcer’s facial expression to Abbott as to whether he wanted to take the phone call from the phone sex worker, or not. Strange that no one has admonished the radio announcer for initiating the exchange. Why do you think that is so?
I think even you can now see the double standard you are applying; everyone else can.
Thanks for the attempt to psycho analyse my childhood Johno but you are way off the mark.
Re my non-de-plume, you should note that funghi hosted by dung is actually useful to the balance of nature; sort of my homage to the environment. Others prefer wind turbines and solar panels.

Sir, you have been outed as an Abbott supporter and this is something from which you can now never escape. For this I thank you, others may not. Attacking me with such bile and from such antiquity does not hide the facts that the PM has been criticised by many women of note that has a problem with women. it was put to me the other day by a lady I respect that Mr Abbott’s behaviour was akin to that expected of teenage boys, sniggering at the suggestion of sex. Perhaps she is right but I would have thought that the PM is supposed to be a role model for young blokes.

And before you attack me again with selected attempts at character assassination, please acknowledge that I was elected four times, leading the vote for Labor in Brindabella on three of those occasions, am a former Patron of the Women’s ACT AFL League, but am human and made mistakes in my life, all of which I have done the honourable thing with, something I haven’t seen in federal politics of late.

You have outed no one. Regular contributors to this blog know which side of the fence I sit on and in case you have forgotten, there was a Federal election last year in which a majority voted for a conservative governmnet of which Tony Abbott was to be Prime Minister.
Many from the left, including the media, are in denial about Abbott’s decisive victory and they choose instead to promote the hate campaign against him. This is something that comes naturally to the left. Soon they will find someone in their own ranks to hate more than Abbott and in the meantime he will sort out the mess left by the previous four Labor governments in six years. He has already stopped the boats, something the media ignores.
Abbott is a great role model for young men. He is happily married (still to the same woman) with three daughters. In a family of 5 he is the only male. If he has half the problem with women that you and your peers suggest he has then women in the Abbott household all would have moved out long ago. Apply some common sense and look at the facts, man.
In his spare time he is involved in community events (like you claim to be) and he is probably the fittest MP in Australia’s history. Would you prefer that young blokes emulate the extra-marital antics of some members of the left instead?
I acknowledge that you were elected once and re-elected another 3 times as a Labor member for Brindabella. With the greatest respect John, anyone high on the Labor ticket would have won a seat in any ACT electorate (the Bill Hayden/drover’s dog syndrome).
I am not attacking your character either but your actions in the past have left you a bit exposed to ridicule. As you say, politicians are any easy target (easier when they are set up).
John, I never voted for you but the fact that you were a National Servicemean and you like cats certainly endorses your claim that you are human. Just be careful who you call a sleaze.

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

“Wish I’d thought of this when I was an MLA.”

I expect many of your colleagues thought of it.

Not that I know of. But that doesn’t remove the fact that for the public, pollies must be transparent. In this case transparency has been a casualty and no amount of smoke screening will change that.

In the court of public opinion, Mr Abbott has been tried and found guilty not only of sleazy behavior but also rank nepotism.

I would ask: your daughter,wife, partner had run second in a job in Geneva as we have just seen, would you not be suspicious? I think so.

Also,if your daughter told you that another girl had got a scholarship no one knew was available and she was the daughter of a good friend of the person giving the scholarship,wouldn’t you be upset? I think so and rightly.

If a man winked sleazily at an image of your wife, how would you feel?

Flattered.

The ladies I know and have known over my many years would be insulted to the nth by your approach. Your wife indeed has a most unsatisfactory husband and one who clearly has no respect for her.

Hargreaves could you please start saying “women” rather than “ladeeeeees”?

Firstly, my friends or those with whom I covered call me Johno. Others call me Mr Hargreaves for they recognize and respect that they are no friends not mine but they still have class.

Others refer to me by my surname and they have no respect for people they have never met nor do they have any class. And… They usually and cowardly use pseudonyms for they are indeed unsure of themselves, cowardly or bullies. And sometimes a combination of all.

Secondly, most of the women I know and have met are ladies.

“most of the women I know and have met are ladies”
Johnno, maaaaaate, was Amanda Bresnan in this group?

Amanda Bresnan is indeed a lady and one with some class. The incident to which you refer was misrepresented grossly but then pollies are always fair game for mistruths. Ms Bresnan is one lady with whom I enjoy a warm and respectful relationship. Innuendos such as this do you no credit and merely reveal the inner nastiness you have. You must have had an awful childhood and even more awful adulthood thus far to be so embittered and so intrinsically nasty.. May I congratulate you on your pseudonym… it too is accurately descriptive.

So it is OK for you to dismiss the incident entirely by saying it was grossly misprepresented as politicians are fair game but Tony Abbott is a sleaze?
It was so misrepresented that you and your mate B Smyth unreservedly apologised. Gee, it’s tough when one has to apologise for something that didn’t happen.
If you investigate the Abbott incident you would discover that he winked at the radio announcer in response the said announcer’s facial expression to Abbott as to whether he wanted to take the phone call from the phone sex worker, or not. Strange that no one has admonished the radio announcer for initiating the exchange. Why do you think that is so?
I think even you can now see the double standard you are applying; everyone else can.
Thanks for the attempt to psycho analyse my childhood Johno but you are way off the mark.
Re my non-de-plume, you should note that funghi hosted by dung is actually useful to the balance of nature; sort of my homage to the environment. Others prefer wind turbines and solar panels.

Sir, you have been outed as an Abbott supporter and this is something from which you can now never escape. For this I thank you, others may not. Attacking me with such bile and from such antiquity does not hide the facts that the PM has been criticised by many women of note that has a problem with women. it was put to me the other day by a lady I respect that Mr Abbott’s behaviour was akin to that expected of teenage boys, sniggering at the suggestion of sex. Perhaps she is right but I would have thought that the PM is supposed to be a role model for young blokes.

And before you attack me again with selected attempts at character assassination, please acknowledge that I was elected four times, leading the vote for Labor in Brindabella on three of those occasions, am a former Patron of the Women’s ACT AFL League, but am human and made mistakes in my life, all of which I have done the honourable thing with, something I haven’t seen in federal politics of late.

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

……. Innuendos such as this do you no credit and merely reveal the inner nastiness you have. You must have had an awful childhood and even more awful adulthood thus far to be so embittered and so intrinsically nasty…

?

John, I think it is a really positive thing that you have so enthusiastically embraced the blogoshere, and I hope you continue to post whatever pops into your head.

I think a lot of Liberals have been scratching their heads about the way Abbott has framed and sold the budget. But then you come along and remind us of the sort of politician that can rise to ministerial level in a Labor government: suddenly even the most inept Liberal politician doesn’t seem so bad.

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

“Wish I’d thought of this when I was an MLA.”

I expect many of your colleagues thought of it.

Not that I know of. But that doesn’t remove the fact that for the public, pollies must be transparent. In this case transparency has been a casualty and no amount of smoke screening will change that.

In the court of public opinion, Mr Abbott has been tried and found guilty not only of sleazy behavior but also rank nepotism.

I would ask: your daughter,wife, partner had run second in a job in Geneva as we have just seen, would you not be suspicious? I think so.

Also,if your daughter told you that another girl had got a scholarship no one knew was available and she was the daughter of a good friend of the person giving the scholarship,wouldn’t you be upset? I think so and rightly.

If a man winked sleazily at an image of your wife, how would you feel?

Flattered.

The ladies I know and have known over my many years would be insulted to the nth by your approach. Your wife indeed has a most unsatisfactory husband and one who clearly has no respect for her.

Hargreaves could you please start saying “women” rather than “ladeeeeees”?

Firstly, my friends or those with whom I covered call me Johno. Others call me Mr Hargreaves for they recognize and respect that they are no friends not mine but they still have class.

Others refer to me by my surname and they have no respect for people they have never met nor do they have any class. And… They usually and cowardly use pseudonyms for they are indeed unsure of themselves, cowardly or bullies. And sometimes a combination of all.

Secondly, most of the women I know and have met are ladies.

“most of the women I know and have met are ladies”
Johnno, maaaaaate, was Amanda Bresnan in this group?

Amanda Bresnan is indeed a lady and one with some class. The incident to which you refer was misrepresented grossly but then pollies are always fair game for mistruths. Ms Bresnan is one lady with whom I enjoy a warm and respectful relationship. Innuendos such as this do you no credit and merely reveal the inner nastiness you have. You must have had an awful childhood and even more awful adulthood thus far to be so embittered and so intrinsically nasty.. May I congratulate you on your pseudonym… it too is accurately descriptive.

So it is OK for you to dismiss the incident entirely by saying it was grossly misprepresented as politicians are fair game but Tony Abbott is a sleaze?
It was so misrepresented that you and your mate B Smyth unreservedly apologised. Gee, it’s tough when one has to apologise for something that didn’t happen.
If you investigate the Abbott incident you would discover that he winked at the radio announcer in response the said announcer’s facial expression to Abbott as to whether he wanted to take the phone call from the phone sex worker, or not. Strange that no one has admonished the radio announcer for initiating the exchange. Why do you think that is so?
I think even you can now see the double standard you are applying; everyone else can.
Thanks for the attempt to psycho analyse my childhood Johno but you are way off the mark.
Re my non-de-plume, you should note that funghi hosted by dung is actually useful to the balance of nature; sort of my homage to the environment. Others prefer wind turbines and solar panels.

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

“Wish I’d thought of this when I was an MLA.”

I expect many of your colleagues thought of it.

Not that I know of. But that doesn’t remove the fact that for the public, pollies must be transparent. In this case transparency has been a casualty and no amount of smoke screening will change that.

In the court of public opinion, Mr Abbott has been tried and found guilty not only of sleazy behavior but also rank nepotism.

I would ask: your daughter,wife, partner had run second in a job in Geneva as we have just seen, would you not be suspicious? I think so.

Also,if your daughter told you that another girl had got a scholarship no one knew was available and she was the daughter of a good friend of the person giving the scholarship,wouldn’t you be upset? I think so and rightly.

If a man winked sleazily at an image of your wife, how would you feel?

Flattered.

The ladies I know and have known over my many years would be insulted to the nth by your approach. Your wife indeed has a most unsatisfactory husband and one who clearly has no respect for her.

Hargreaves could you please start saying “women” rather than “ladeeeeees”?

Firstly, my friends or those with whom I covered call me Johno. Others call me Mr Hargreaves for they recognize and respect that they are no friends not mine but they still have class.

Others refer to me by my surname and they have no respect for people they have never met nor do they have any class. And… They usually and cowardly use pseudonyms for they are indeed unsure of themselves, cowardly or bullies. And sometimes a combination of all.

Secondly, most of the women I know and have met are ladies.

“most of the women I know and have met are ladies”
Johnno, maaaaaate, was Amanda Bresnan in this group?

Amanda Bresnan is indeed a lady and one with some class. The incident to which you refer was misrepresented grossly but then pollies are always fair game for mistruths. Ms Bresnan is one lady with whom I enjoy a warm and respectful relationship. Innuendos such as this do you no credit and merely reveal the inner nastiness you have. You must have had an awful childhood and even more awful adulthood thus far to be so embittered and so intrinsically nasty.. May I congratulate you on your pseudonym… it too is accurately descriptive.

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

“Wish I’d thought of this when I was an MLA.”

I expect many of your colleagues thought of it.

Not that I know of. But that doesn’t remove the fact that for the public, pollies must be transparent. In this case transparency has been a casualty and no amount of smoke screening will change that.

In the court of public opinion, Mr Abbott has been tried and found guilty not only of sleazy behavior but also rank nepotism.

I would ask: your daughter,wife, partner had run second in a job in Geneva as we have just seen, would you not be suspicious? I think so.

Also,if your daughter told you that another girl had got a scholarship no one knew was available and she was the daughter of a good friend of the person giving the scholarship,wouldn’t you be upset? I think so and rightly.

If a man winked sleazily at an image of your wife, how would you feel?

Flattered.

The ladies I know and have known over my many years would be insulted to the nth by your approach. Your wife indeed has a most unsatisfactory husband and one who clearly has no respect for her.

Hargreaves could you please start saying “women” rather than “ladeeeeees”?

Firstly, my friends or those with whom I covered call me Johno. Others call me Mr Hargreaves for they recognize and respect that they are no friends not mine but they still have class.

Others refer to me by my surname and they have no respect for people they have never met nor do they have any class. And… They usually and cowardly use pseudonyms for they are indeed unsure of themselves, cowardly or bullies. And sometimes a combination of all.

Secondly, most of the women I know and have met are ladies.

“most of the women I know and have met are ladies”
Johnno, maaaaaate, was Amanda Bresnan in this group?

Masquara said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

“Wish I’d thought of this when I was an MLA.”

I expect many of your colleagues thought of it.

Not that I know of. But that doesn’t remove the fact that for the public, pollies must be transparent. In this case transparency has been a casualty and no amount of smoke screening will change that.

In the court of public opinion, Mr Abbott has been tried and found guilty not only of sleazy behavior but also rank nepotism.

I would ask: your daughter,wife, partner had run second in a job in Geneva as we have just seen, would you not be suspicious? I think so.

Also,if your daughter told you that another girl had got a scholarship no one knew was available and she was the daughter of a good friend of the person giving the scholarship,wouldn’t you be upset? I think so and rightly.

If a man winked sleazily at an image of your wife, how would you feel?

Flattered.

The ladies I know and have known over my many years would be insulted to the nth by your approach. Your wife indeed has a most unsatisfactory husband and one who clearly has no respect for her.

Hargreaves could you please start saying “women” rather than “ladeeeeees”?

Firstly, my friends or those with whom I covered call me Johno. Others call me Mr Hargreaves for they recognize and respect that they are no friends not mine but they still have class.

Others refer to me by my surname and they have no respect for people they have never met nor do they have any class. And… They usually and cowardly use pseudonyms for they are indeed unsure of themselves, cowardly or bullies. And sometimes a combination of all.

Secondly, most of the women I know and have met are ladies.

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

dungfungus said :

John Hargreaves Ex MLA said :

Masquara said :

“Wish I’d thought of this when I was an MLA.”

I expect many of your colleagues thought of it.

Not that I know of. But that doesn’t remove the fact that for the public, pollies must be transparent. In this case transparency has been a casualty and no amount of smoke screening will change that.

In the court of public opinion, Mr Abbott has been tried and found guilty not only of sleazy behavior but also rank nepotism.

I would ask: your daughter,wife, partner had run second in a job in Geneva as we have just seen, would you not be suspicious? I think so.

Also,if your daughter told you that another girl had got a scholarship no one knew was available and she was the daughter of a good friend of the person giving the scholarship,wouldn’t you be upset? I think so and rightly.

If a man winked sleazily at an image of your wife, how would you feel?

Flattered.

The ladies I know and have known over my many years would be insulted to the nth by your approach. Your wife indeed has a most unsatisfactory husband and one who clearly has no respect for her.

Hargreaves could you please start saying “women” rather than “ladeeeeees”?