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Victims of crime group just doesn’t get it….

By Jonathon Reynolds - 23 October 2006 32

The ABC News Online is reporting that a local victims of crime group is complaining that the new ACT prison is going to be far too luxurious for its inmates and happy prisoners don’t make good prisoners.

What they seem to fail to realise is that people who go to prison, are send there both to pay penance for the crime they have committed (keeping them out and away of the general population for their non-parole prison term) and the other basic concept is to provide rehabilitation during that period so these same inmates are not tempted to re-offend once they are finally released.

I would suggest that if a particularly heinous crime has been committed they wont be spending their time at the Jerrabomberra Hilton, but rather the Goulburn Super Max more likely at her Majesty’s pleasure.

[ED – Personally I love how they want razor wire festooned around the place just for the look of the thing]

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Victims of crime group just doesn’t get it….
Mr Evil 3:13 pm 24 Oct 06

Pipe Celine Dion ‘singing’ through the place 24/7: that’ll make the motherfuckers think twice about committing crime again.

VYBerlinaV8 1:58 pm 24 Oct 06

Who gives 2 craps whether it’s ALL people or not. Make everyone learn something new. Is it really going to hurt an accountant to learn how to wire up a power point? They might dislike it enough to not reoffend. If we’re talking about professional types here (and I think we are), then they knowingly committed their crime, and were probably more aware than the average retard crim of the possible consequences.

It’s not just about teaching them something new, it’s about occupying their time usefully.

jr 1:01 pm 24 Oct 06

Snahon, do you really find the concept of coiled razor wire glinting in the morning sun and a sign over the prison gate reading “arbeit macht frei” that attractive?

You are making the bold assumption that ALL people that end up in prison need to learn a trade because they didn’t have a job in the first place or won’t have one to go to when they get back out.

What if you were a professional type (for the sake of the exercise say programmer, accountant, policy writer, sales person or consultant – I’m sure you get the general gist) before you committed a crime tell me why you would need to learn a “blue collar” trade for the purposes of rehabilitation and getting a job once you come out of prison?

Thumper 10:43 am 24 Oct 06

Fair comment.

snahon 10:26 am 24 Oct 06

Hmmm

Well we apparently have a skills shortage, how about giving people some skills so that when they re-enter society they don’t fall in the same cycles.

How about making it mandatory that:
1. Do the rehab part
2. Give them physical labour as ‘punishment’
and
3. Get them all started on training for a trade – plumbing, electrical, gas fitting etc etc
4. have a continuation program once they are out of gaol to complete their training if they can’t find a company to complete it with.

By giving people skills to earn money, you generate much more positive outcomes then just punishing them and releasing them back into the same environment from whence they came.

It will start to address our skills shortage, these people still serve time in gaol as punishment, and *hopefully* give them some basis to become a more productive member of society and break the cycle of criminal activity.

VYBerlinaV8 9:07 am 24 Oct 06

Wouldn’t it be nice if we committed this level of public resources to ‘rehabilitating’ the victims of crime? What do they get? A couple of chats with a counsellor and piss off you’re fine.

What’s needed is something to pass the criminals’ time so that when they get to their cells they just want to sleep. Hmmm, let me think….hard work ought to do the trick. People joke about chain gangs, but if you give someone something to keep them busy and tire them physically, they will have a lot less need for other forms of entertainment.

Thumper 8:05 am 24 Oct 06

“Prison shouldnt be a happy, comfortable holiday, but neither should it be a Gulag”

Spot on VG, and therein lies the problem with our current proposed gaol.

Deprivation of liberty and the shame of being caught, for most, would be a big enough deterent to committing a crime. However, in some cases that will not be enough.

I’m no expert in the field but I would have thought that a stint in gaol is not meant to be easy.

Frankly, the way things are going it sounds as if the old 13 week recruit course at Kapooka will be tougher than a 13 week stint in the new gaol.

seepi 8:05 pm 23 Oct 06

What do they do now for rehabilitation?

vg 6:29 pm 23 Oct 06

The argument may have been poor, but the rights of victims in our judicial system…..well lets say they have none. They have zero impact on proceedings.

Prison shouldnt be a happy, comfortable holiday, but neither should it be a Gulag. With plasmas, cottages and a roam around as you like atmosphere it sounds like what they call a prison would be a nice retreat.

The first aim of it is punishment, rehab comes a long 2nd. Justr about every crook in the system has had a go at ‘rehabilitation’. It has gotten us nowhere

Thumper 11:52 am 23 Oct 06

I heard something on the radio this morning about this. A woman from VOC was attempting to put forford her argument that the gaol was going to be too soft and easy, etc.

However, she did herself no favours as her argument was terribly weak and flawed.

I would suggest that they get a new spokesperson if they want to push their message.

FC 11:20 am 23 Oct 06

By the sounds of their “cottage style units” they may be living to a higher standard than they were on the outside.
“I’ll commit (insert crime here), what’s the worst that could happen? I’ll end up at the Jerrabomberra Hilton? It’s better than Bega Flats anyway, and I get a live in chef there.”

Unbeliever 10:17 am 23 Oct 06

“We are are trying to be very modern and humane in making it comfortable for them, but at the same time a degree of comfort that goes past what is needed is no what the victims of crime want to see,” she said.

As a victim of crime I’d like to state definitively that Marie-Noelle Cure DOESN’T SPEAK ON MY BEHALF.

che 9:38 am 23 Oct 06

isn’t there 4 reasons for locking people up, punishment, rehab, isolation (removal from society) and revenge (or justice if you prefer)

happy to be corrected is there are more or they have proper names or terms

bonfire 9:37 am 23 Oct 06

depriving a person of their liberty for a period of time is punishment. treating them like inmates of a nazi concentration camp is inhumane.

however i disagree with the rehabilitation part.

id make sure they misse out on tv, radio, cd’s etc for the duration also.

let them reflect upon the error of their ways in quiet contemplation.

smokey2 9:35 am 23 Oct 06

Is air con and central heating part of the deal?
If it is then it is far to soft an approach.

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