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Yet Another Giralang Shops Development Application

By aidan - 6 May 2011 24

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Another week, another Giralang Shops Development Application. Seems to have less Supermarket and more specialty shops.

We’ll have to see if it can survive the onslaught of the professional objectors, but for now it is live.

ACTPLA welcomes objections and comments from interested parties. If you want the DA to be approved you should put in a submission to that effect.

You will need to detail the nature of your interest in the shop site e.g. resident, user of the shops, family member of a pupil at the school etc. You can submit your feedback in a number of ways:

• Email: app.sec@act.gov.au
• Mail: ACTPLA Applications Secretariat PO Box 365, Mitchell 2911.
• Deliver to: ACTPLA, Ground Floor South, Dame Pattie Menzies House, 16 Challis Street, Dickson

The more submissions the better. If you have a stake in the future of Giralang shops then send in a submission. Your voice does count.

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24 Responses to
Yet Another Giralang Shops Development Application
screaming banshee 10:06 pm 07 May 11

Giralangian said :

The Kaleen “group centre” is a very loose application of the term. It has one supermarket and about 10 specialty shops most of which you would expect to find at a normal suburban shopping centre.

Regardless of your impression, it is the designated group centre for the region and in addition to the supermarket plus 15 (by my count) specialty stores and a further 3 vacant shopfronts one of which I expect to be a pizza store very shortly, the tavern, sports club, gym, childcare facility, community centre and 3 churches all form part of the “group centre”, not to mention the Aldi that is reported to be coming shortly.

Giralangian said :

Charnwood also has a group centre as well as a secondary local shopping centre with Melba and Fraser also having local shopping centres nearby. Ainslie has an IGA of 1,200 m2 in a local shopping centre.

I’m not sure what your point is here, swap Charnwood for Kaleen, Melba for Giralang and Fraser for McKeller, it sounds the same. As for Ainslie I suspect it like Deakin was built long before the group centre designation was thought up.

Personally I don’t think things at Supabarn are overpriced and while I have found the odd out of date item I’ve pretty much found the same at any supermarket anywhere in Australia. Even if they are ‘overpriced’ I’m happy to pay a little more for the convenience and to maintain the local shops, same goes for the Kaleen Caltex. I don’t know how the price at the Giralang servo compares, but if any Giralang residents are reading this that appreciate the convenience of a local servo but fill up elsewhere with their f-all cents off vouchers then they have no-one to complain to if the servo shuts down because its not viable any more.

As for Lawson, I expect they will receive another local centre.

Tetranitrate 6:21 pm 07 May 11

Keijidosha said :

, especially given the proximity to both Gunghalin and Belconnen town centres, not to mention that it is 1km from the larger Kaleen commercial/retail district. Weren’t the existing shops abandoned due to lack of patronage?

No. The owners deliberately ran them down and in the end refused to allow tenants to renew their leases. It went shop by shop as leases expired. The pub in particular was doing very well until they simply blocked form renewing the lease – which pretty much ruined the proprietors who’d spent many years building up the business
At the very end the Vietnamese restaurant remained for something like a year after, still running their restaurant and takeaway business from the otherwise abandoned building.

So no, long story short the shops previously were totally viable, the owners of the centre deliberately ran it down in the hope of flogging it off to developers for re-zoning and apartments.

Giralangian 5:40 pm 07 May 11

screaming banshee said :

Giralangian said :

This is even more appalling when you consider the Kaleen Supabarn floor space (1,709 m2) is in fact larger than the proposed Giralang Woolworths.

Do not forget that the supabarn at Kaleen is located in a group centre whereas Giralang and the (equally at a disadvantage yet somehow managing to thrive) Kaleen IGA are both defined as local centres.

The blame for the lack of a viable local centre with supermarket in Giralang lies squarely in the hands of the greedy developer.

The Kaleen “group centre” is a very loose application of the term. It has one supermarket and about 10 specialty shops most of which you would expect to find at a normal suburban shopping centre.

It certainly does not compare with other genuine group centres such as Kippax, Jamison, Mawson and Weston. In any event, Charnwood also has a group centre as well as a secondary local shopping centre with Melba and Fraser also having local shopping centres nearby. Ainslie has an IGA of 1,200 m2 in a local shopping centre.

Given the development of Lawson and Crace and the lack of other alternatives in south Gunghalin it is certainly not beyond the needs of residents to have another competitive supermarket in the region. I am certainly not defending the owner/developer of the site, who is certainly to blame for the predicament we are in but the current Woolworths proposal seems to be a very viable alternative which gives the residents of Giralang, Kaleen, Lawson, McKellar, Evatt and Crace a genuine shopping alternative, because quite frankly I’m getting a bit sick of the inflated prices I pay at Supabarn and I’m getting tired of having to check the use by date of every perishable item to make sure it’s still edible.

screaming banshee 12:38 pm 07 May 11

Giralangian said :

This is even more appalling when you consider the Kaleen Supabarn floor space (1,709 m2) is in fact larger than the proposed Giralang Woolworths.

Do not forget that the supabarn at Kaleen is located in a group centre whereas Giralang and the (equally at a disadvantage yet somehow managing to thrive) Kaleen IGA are both defined as local centres.

The blame for the lack of a viable local centre with supermarket in Giralang lies squarely in the hands of the greedy developer.

Giralangian 9:00 am 07 May 11

Keijidosha said :

For sure ’tis a fine looking building but a little on the grand scale for local shops. Underground parking and travellators seem like overkill and only add to my questions about the financial viability of this development, especially given the proximity to both Gunghalin and Belconnen town centres, not to mention that it is 1km from the larger Kaleen commercial/retail district. Weren’t the existing shops abandoned due to lack of patronage?

This is because Giralang residents have been conditioned to expect dilapidated and broken down facilities. Why not have something sophisticated and modern looking, so heaven forbid Giralang gets dragged into the 21st century!

Giralangian 8:53 am 07 May 11

What concerns me is the dirty tricks IGA and Supabarn continue to engage in to drum up support against the proposed centre. Getting customers to sign petitions against Woolworths, claiming the proposed development is as large as Belconnen Mall (when it is less than 1/3 the size or 1,500 m2 compared to 4,800 m2).

This is even more appalling when you consider the Kaleen Supabarn floor space (1,709 m2) is in fact larger than the proposed Giralang Woolworths.

(Figures as per ACTPLAs 2009 Background Paper on Supermarket Retailing in the ACT).

Enough is enough. Giralang residents deserve a competitive local shopping centre. Submissions against the proposal based on this blatently misleading information should be rejected.

niftydog 3:41 pm 06 May 11

screaming banshee said :

I’m curious to know…

I’m curious to know how they fit a restaurant kitchen in the pointy end of a triangle.

screaming banshee 2:37 pm 06 May 11

Its a disgrace that the developer still holds the lease for the property, way back in 2005 or 2006 when they tried for a unit development the govco should have taken control, re-leased it and duly compensated the previous lease-holder.

At the very least the lease-holder should be made to clear or secure the site otherwise be penalised. Looking at it just recently I’m sure it could have been refurbished quite well 5 years ago but know it would appear the only option will be to knock it down and build something that remains appropriate to the local centre designation.

The main difference I could see between the last offering and this one is the pre-amble stating how the poor Nikias family have been trying to do the right thing by Giralang but the nasty evil supabarn empire has thwarted their every warm hearted gesture to the community. Well if supabarn have made it so difficult to compete with a small centre why hasn’t the Kaleen IGA shut down yet.

I’m curious to know how any of the other tenants are to make use of the loading dock area as it will be under woolworths control, and in that case how any other tenants are to gain access to the main switchboard or comms room.

aidan 1:15 pm 06 May 11

sepi said :

I went to giralang fete and I couldn’t believe the state of the shops – it looks like beirut, and right next to the school.

It is a disgrace. It is the Government’s responsibility to put the owner’s feet to the fire about the state of the site. The owner is quite happy for it to be an eyesore, as it puts pressure on the Govt. for a resolution.

The Govt. should have required them to flatten the place once it became obvious it was never going to remain in it’s current configuration and the owners showed they were unwilling to maintain it in a safe manner.

sepi said :

I was also amazed giralang still has a working servo – with a working servo and school right next door, the shops should do really well – if they ever get any actual shops open.

Not only a servo, but a mechanic now as well. Northside Automotive. Used to be in Macquarie I believe.

D2 12:54 pm 06 May 11

Chop71 said :

Specialty shops…..pffff they will be empty from the minute they are constructed. There is this thing called the internet nowdays where people buy stuff.

Can’t be right! All the malls are just row after row of women’s clothing and shoe shops! Their must be an undersupply!

niftydog 11:48 am 06 May 11

sepi said :

…it looks like beirut…

The place looked a bit like that when it was still trading!

Chop71 11:47 am 06 May 11

Specialty shops…..pffff they will be empty from the minute they are constructed. There is this thing called the internet nowdays where people buy stuff.

Rollersk8r 11:45 am 06 May 11

In a perfect world there’d be a comprehensive redevelopment of the main Kaleen shopping centre – and a smaller local centre for Giralang (yes, smaller than what is proposed this time around). But given the truly glacial pace of progress I’ll still be supporting this.

sepi 11:13 am 06 May 11

I went to giralang fete and I couldn’t believe the state of the shops – it looks like beirut, and right next to the school.

I was also amazed giralang still has a working servo – with a working servo and school right next door, the shops should do really well – if they ever get any actual shops open.

Keijidosha 11:08 am 06 May 11

For sure ’tis a fine looking building but a little on the grand scale for local shops. Underground parking and travellators seem like overkill and only add to my questions about the financial viability of this development, especially given the proximity to both Gunghalin and Belconnen town centres, not to mention that it is 1km from the larger Kaleen commercial/retail district. Weren’t the existing shops abandoned due to lack of patronage?

Seems like folly to me, but as the entire project is on the developer’s coin why not let them have a crack at it? It might make the owners of Kaleen centre pick up their game a bit.

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