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Indies show their true colours

By johnboy - 24 October 2008 43

The Canberra Times reports that the desperately close race for the Molonglo seventh seat now has Elena Kirschbaum, Caroline le Couteur, and Giulia Jones locked ridiculously tight.

But with counting running to next week it’s all still speculative.

Of possibly more interest, and sure to be the subject of some degree of “I told you so” from Labor, is the new publicity alliance of The Australian Motorist Party, Mark Parton and the Community Alliance Party who are claiming that their combined 15% of the electorate (not that they managed to distribute preferences between themselves) are utterly opposed to Labor:

    They are asking the Greens to take this factor into account when deciding whether to throw their support behind a Liberal or Labor government.

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Indies show their true colours
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Jim Jones 10:45 am
24 Oct 08
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“are utterly opposed to Labor”

Yeah, but the Australian Motorists Party are essentially opposed to everything except for bourbon, boobs and burnouts anyway.

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PM 10:50 am
24 Oct 08
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The “I told you so” will be expected, but can’t be justified. Whilst these particular indies are of an anti-Stanhope persuasion, the Libs actually did not benefit from their running.

As you mention, they didn’t distribute preferences.

The only effect that these indies had was to minimise the Libs’ primary vote. If the Libs had a higher primary vote in Molonglo, they possibily wouldn’t be in this tight run-off with the Greens for that last seat.

If the Libs wanted to run indies, they’d be marketed to attack the Labor base eg former union officials, etc, not people running on the basis that they didn’t think the Libs were up to the fight against Stanhope.

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harvyk1 11:26 am
24 Oct 08
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Yes, there are people who didn’t like the Stanhope gov’t, but there are obviously enough people out there who did \ still do.

Yes, a 10% loss is a big loss, but lest we forget the libs also had a 3% loss, so this means that 13% of people decided that they didn’t like the major parties – BOTH OF THEM.

The alliance shown by AMP,CAP and Mark Parton is not surprising as I believe they all have right leanings in them (I might be wrong), so of course they don’t want to see a left leaning labor gov’t

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tom-tom 11:45 am
24 Oct 08
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i was under the impression that on october 18 the electorate decided that they didn’t want this lot to have a say in how the territory is governed. this just smacks of arrogance.

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PM 11:54 am
24 Oct 08
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I still reckon the Greens might want to support Labor, but only on the condition that Stanhope isn’t leader.

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Dante 12:32 pm
24 Oct 08
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Hey, if they have to compromise and Katy’s not Deputy CM then I’d still be happy.

Pity the Greens couldn’t pick and choose from either side.. Take that bi-partisan system!

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PM 1:24 pm
24 Oct 08
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Dante said :

Pity the Greens couldn’t pick and choose from either side.. Take that bi-partisan system!

In theory, it could happen. Strange alliances happen all the time at a council level in the states, and internationally there are plenty of examples.

It would be a complete and utter mess, but it’s possible nonetheless.

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Primal 2:03 pm
24 Oct 08
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Odd… AMP and Parton I realised leant right, but I always perceived CAP as a centre-left protest vote.

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sepi 2:06 pm
24 Oct 08
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I think CAP would be left-ish, but hate labor over the fires and the school closures.

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PM 2:07 pm
24 Oct 08
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The CAP is a bit of a general protest party- no real unity in the candidates’ views. Having said that, I didn’t note any leftist zeal in any of their pronouncements.

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jakez 2:25 pm
24 Oct 08
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tom-tom said :

i was under the impression that on october 18 the electorate decided that they didn’t want this lot to have a say in how the territory is governed. this just smacks of arrogance.

I think your comment also smacks of arrogance.

Like it or not they represent 15% of the population and that 15% of the population does deserve to be heard.

Whether the claim that these 15% would prefer a Liberal Govt over an ALP Govt is accurate though…very subjective.

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harvyk1 2:41 pm
24 Oct 08
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jakez said :

I think your comment also smacks of arrogance.

Like it or not they represent 15% of the population and that 15% of the population does deserve to be heard.

Whether the claim that these 15% would prefer a Liberal Govt over an ALP Govt is accurate though…very subjective.

I’m going to say likewise. A democracy love it or hate it basically says “Majority Rules”. This 15% where heard, on the 18th. Given that they where told by the people “No, we don’t want you.” says something as far as I’m concerned. Them making comments about “what Canberra wants” seems a little academic. They haven’t finished counting so no one can yet truely say “what Canberra wants”.

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Jim Jones 2:52 pm
24 Oct 08
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“Like it or not they represent 15% of the population and that 15% of the population does deserve to be heard.”

Do you really mean to say that, because 15% of people voted for a wide range of independents and minor parties (from the nutsack Australian Motorists Party to the ‘these flaming mongrels have stuffed it up’ Community Alliance), that they have been entirely disenfranchised by the political system and that this should have the effect of overruling the actual election results?

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Kitchen Man 3:27 pm
24 Oct 08
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No Jim, I think they were just respectfully asking the Greens to consider the size of that vote and to consider that more than half of the electorate seemingly went to the ballot box seeking a change of government, but that they may still get Jon as Chief Minister with Hargraves, Barr, Gallagher and Corbell on the front bench. That if the Greens were considering the voting intentions of Canberrans when deciding who to form an alliance with, that the 15% who voted for minor parties and independents should not be completely ignored.

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caf 3:55 pm
24 Oct 08
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The Greens should consider the voting intentions of those that voted for them. Those who voted for Parton, AMP or CAP had the opportunity to have their votes preference the Liberals ahead of Labor, if that’s what they wanted to do. Presumably many did – so they’ve already helped elect Liberal candidates, there’s no reason why their vote should count twice.

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