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This is not charity. Dumping in Canberra

By 28 December 2011 137

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On the afternoon of Tuesday, 28 December 2011, I went to the Southlands (Mawson) charity bins to donate some clothes to charity by placing them in the bins. Found a disgraceful mess. Ended up taking clothes home. Had camera with me, and decided to take some pics. Decided to visit other charity bins and charity stores around Canberra that afternoon.

This website is the result. http://thisisnotcharity.weebly.com/

I’m no web designer, so please don’t laugh. The images speak volumes, in more ways than one.

It would be greatly appreciated if you would get this website out there. Please post it to your Facebook account, your Twitter account, everywhere and anywhere. I give you permission to do that. I also give you permission to identify “thisisnotcharity” as the rightful owner of the pics. Mind you, if you wish, you can always take your own images, as the rubbish is there for all to see. Perhaps the mess has now been cleaned up now (a day later), but no doubt there will be other opportunities for more pics.

Thank you.

http://thisisnotcharity.weebly.com/

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137 Responses to This is not charity. Dumping in Canberra
#1
nobody5:49 pm, 28 Dec 11

I’ve read it costs all these charities a lot each year to take this type of rubbish to the dump, where the original people should have taken it in the first place. Lazy and cheap people with little respect.

This problem keeps getting raised, the possibility of fines is in place, but does any one get caught? The government could set up some security cameras in front of the stores and start catching people.

Thanks for driving around and taking these images, and placing them on your website.

#2
sien5:54 pm, 28 Dec 11

I used to ride past a Salvo’s depot in Melbourne.

It was insane. Every day loads and loads of stuff would appear. It’s a pity we don’t reuse this stuff better. Perhaps a few large warehouses around the place could help.

The people who worked there actually didn’t mind, as long as you dumped it off during business hours. What they said they hated was people dropping stuff off after hours as then other people would take all the good stuff.

Another view on this is that we live for the first time in human history when we really have too much dcent stuff.

#3
gentoopenguin5:56 pm, 28 Dec 11

Nothing new, unfortunately, but good on you for documenting this sea of garbage. I really don’t understand why people don’t go to the tip rather than make charities pay to remove rubbish.

#4
Goddess6:01 pm, 28 Dec 11

Thanks for your efforts and, even though you say you’re not a website designer, I think you’ve done an awesome job. I agree that CCTV cameras as well as ‘dob in a dumper’ would go some way to catching the lazy, inconsiderate offenders. I for one wouldn’t like to see the charity bins removed because of this – I appreciate being able to donate good, useable clothes, books, etc.

#5
beejay766:06 pm, 28 Dec 11

It is disgraceful, isn’t it? I live up this way, and I can confidently report that there are always items lying around in front of the bins. If I have things to donate I take them directly to the Salvos in Mitchell. They inspect, take what they want, and then it’s just a short trip to the tip with the rest.

I would really like to see the govt introduce “council cleanup days” here. It recently cost me $60 to take an old tele and a computer monitor to the tip. Small wonder people dump it on the side of the road, or in this case, on a charity. Shameful.

#6
Macos6:06 pm, 28 Dec 11

The items dumped at Mawson were still there at 1.30pm today.

#7
willo6:32 pm, 28 Dec 11

I worked as a truck driver for one of the local charities back in the late 80′s and this problem barely existed back then, of course that was before tip fees were introduced and it has certainly gotten worse after they were and seems to be getting worse as the years roll on, I’d hate to be doing my old job these days
on a pedantic note tuesday was the 27th not the 28th

#8
Savanna1006:37 pm, 28 Dec 11

Maybe this sort of thing points to tip fees being too high as well as the laziness of some people. Also, I remember growing up that charities took far more used things and didnt expect near new stuff to be donated. I’ve had my donations of quite good furniture knocked back by the Salvos in the past as they want newer stuff so they no longer get anything from me.

#9
Tool7:12 pm, 28 Dec 11

The reason people dump crap is generally coz they are tight asses who refuse to pay the ridiculous prices it costs to dump in Canberra. Maybe instead of green recycling the government should look at affordable waste management, otherwise it will get worse. No excuse just reality.

#10
fabforty7:43 pm, 28 Dec 11

beejay76 said :

It is disgraceful, isn’t it? I live up this way, and I can confidently report that there are always items lying around in front of the bins. If I have things to donate I take them directly to the Salvos in Mitchell. They inspect, take what they want, and then it’s just a short trip to the tip with the rest.

I would really like to see the govt introduce “council cleanup days” here. It recently cost me $60 to take an old tele and a computer monitor to the tip. Small wonder people dump it on the side of the road, or in this case, on a charity. Shameful.

+1

Time for the ACT Government to step up and assist. Just sitting back and collecting the tip fees from charities is just not good enough.

#11
artuoui7:45 pm, 28 Dec 11

I share the moral indignation at those selfish morons who dump their stuff next to these things. But what is the cost-benefit ratio to the charities?

Are they making more from maintaining the bins than they lose by having to dispose of the crap that gets dumped? If so, they should accept it as a fund raising expense.

If not, or if ACT ratepayers are paying for the clean up, the bins should go. They are an eyesore in their own right, and this is only made worse by the garbage they attract by being there.

#12
Inappropriate7:50 pm, 28 Dec 11

I havent been there lately, but Kippax is another popular spot for the dumpers to drop off a load too. You have to wonder who could be so cheap or lazy to not take their items to the dump, or list them on Freecycle.

#13
thisisnotcharity8:40 pm, 28 Dec 11

Thank you for all your replies, and tips on where to find more rubbish.

Just updated the homepage of the website, with the correct date, thank you willo, yes, Tuesday was the 27th. Also, did some research and added some links. Seems the charities will get fee exemptions at the tip as from 1 January 2012. See the links on http://thisisnotcharity.weebly.com/

Also added some TAMS links, in particular, a list of what is regarded as acceptable and not acceptable goods, and of course, a five year old Media release about Dob in a Dumper.

I understand this issue has been on RiotACT numerous times, but I had some time to take these pics (123 of them), and it only took an afternoon to set up this website. School holidays! What can I say!

Hopefully a dumper or two will read this, view the site, and recognise the purple slipper as their own, broken guitar, disgusting mattress, Dencorub cream, or any of the other junk as their own..

Thanks all.

#14
Classified8:48 pm, 28 Dec 11

gentoopenguin said :

I really don’t understand why people don’t go to the tip rather than make charities pay to remove rubbish.

Because the govco run tip is expensive and inconvenient, and dumping by charity bins is free and convenient.

#15
Dilandach9:40 pm, 28 Dec 11

Hawker shops is another one (really, its anywhere the bins are where judging eyes don’t frequent) the thing is that if you go there at night, you’ll usually see a few vans of people turning up and picking through what is there. Whether the charities throw it out or not, those people picking through the stuff to take home are effectively stealing.

#16
Northbourne Ultimatu12:56 am, 29 Dec 11

Agreed. That is not charity, it’s pathentic.

ACT’s tip fees are appropriate, they reflect the high external cost of sending waste to landfill. I would be happy to see them higher.

I strongly disagree with the suggestion that the government should reduce the fees so that residents aren’t discouraged from disposing of waste legally. I also don’t agree that hard waste collection days or tip vouchers should be introduced. Residents should accept that the waste service provided by the government is to pick up and dispose of a wheelie-bin-sized amount of rubbish from your house every week. If you have more waste than that then you need to pay for it.

The issue of illegal dumping isn’t restricted to the charity bins. The recyclable waste bins are often full of very non-recyclable material.

I wonder how many of the CRTs around charity bins have dumped because they’ve been replaced by $500+ LCD screens. It’s hard to believe that people dumping CRTs under those circumstances couldn’t afford to pay to dispose of them responsibly.

Raise the penalties and start enforcing them.

#17
toriness1:52 am, 29 Dec 11

if the stuff is actually decent enough to give to a charity, you go during their opening hours. if you’re dumping it outside the bins then you either know it’s not good enough for the charity (or even worse, don’t care about it getting to them in good enough condition once exposed to the elements to do much with) and not good enough for the recycle place, and you’re a cheap bastard who is happy to burden others with your crap. it’s as simple as that.

i don’t know why people here say it’s up to the ACT government to do something about this – the government doesn’t have a magic tree of money that it plucks notes off to finance such exercises as cleanups – the money to finance ACT government operations comes from every taxpayer. shouldn’t individuals who create more rubbish have to pay for its disposal themselves?

#18
Jethro6:50 am, 29 Dec 11

Classified said :

gentoopenguin said :

I really don’t understand why people don’t go to the tip rather than make charities pay to remove rubbish.

Because the govco run tip is expensive and inconvenient, and dumping by charity bins is free and convenient.

Spot on. Of course, those of us with some sort of moral code decide against transferring the cost of dumping our junk to a charity, but we can still grumble at the exorbitant cost of dumping waste in the ACT.

What in other cities would be a twice a year household clean-out assisted by council roadside collection, instead becomes a $100 plus exercise, once you hire a trailer or ute and pay the tip fees (particularly high for dumping monitors, etc). I also note that many other cities give ratepayers a few free trips to the tip each year, sent in the form of vouchers with your rates notice.

Why can the ACT government not do something similar? I certainly haven’t seen the type of dumping that we get in Canberra in any other cities I have lived in. Is this part of their ‘no waste’ policy?… Don’t offer people any cheap and easy way to dump waste and hope that the waste these people would have dumped will just disappear?

Also, why are our wheelie bins so freaking small? Does any family with a couple of kids and animals actually fit all of their rubbish in their bin each week?

#19
Jethro9:19 am, 29 Dec 11

toriness said :

i don’t know why people here say it’s up to the ACT government to do something about this – the government doesn’t have a magic tree of money that it plucks notes off to finance such exercises as cleanups – the money to finance ACT government operations comes from every taxpayer. shouldn’t individuals who create more rubbish have to pay for its disposal themselves?

Why is it then that pretty much every other local council is able to provide these services? Why can Queanbeyan afford to have roadside collections, or Brisbane afford to give ratepayers a few free tip vouchers each year?

As far as I am aware, collecting and disposing of rubbish is one of the major functions of a local council. The ACT local council does it worse than anywhere else I have ever been, and the ACT has the worst problem with illegal dumping of anywhere else I have ever been. Correlation may not always equal causation, but I think in this case it does.

#20
TheDancingDjinn9:36 am, 29 Dec 11

Dilandach said :

Hawker shops is another one (really, its anywhere the bins are where judging eyes don’t frequent) the thing is that if you go there at night, you’ll usually see a few vans of people turning up and picking through what is there. Whether the charities throw it out or not, those people picking through the stuff to take home are effectively stealing.

Stealing? you classify picking through rubbish stealing? Personally i would rather the people picking through it at night and lightening the load – than the charity having to pick it all up and dump it.

#21
Classified9:44 am, 29 Dec 11

Jethro said :

toriness said :

i don’t know why people here say it’s up to the ACT government to do something about this – the government doesn’t have a magic tree of money that it plucks notes off to finance such exercises as cleanups – the money to finance ACT government operations comes from every taxpayer. shouldn’t individuals who create more rubbish have to pay for its disposal themselves?

Why is it then that pretty much every other local council is able to provide these services? Why can Queanbeyan afford to have roadside collections, or Brisbane afford to give ratepayers a few free tip vouchers each year?

As far as I am aware, collecting and disposing of rubbish is one of the major functions of a local council. The ACT local council does it worse than anywhere else I have ever been, and the ACT has the worst problem with illegal dumping of anywhere else I have ever been. Correlation may not always equal causation, but I think in this case it does.

+1. Waste management falls squarely in the realm of council duties, and the fact that so m uch crap gets dumped at charity bins (and other locations in Canberra) indicates our local mob is doing a poor job.

#22
Kan11:49 am, 29 Dec 11

I agree with fellow Rioters who blame the tip fees and the absence of clean up days. We’re regular attendees of the tip and it costs us a fortune each time; $30 for a trailer load and then there’s the ridiculous $25 for monitors and tvs. Where I used to live in NSW, we didn’t have this problem of charity bin dumping because the council had reasonable fees and free pick ups once a quarter. I would happily pay for a slight increase in rates to cover the costs for much cheaper tip fees and free clean up days.

#23
KeenGolfer12:23 pm, 29 Dec 11

Jethro said :

Also, why are our wheelie bins so freaking small? Does any family with a couple of kids and animals actually fit all of their rubbish in their bin each week?

For $60 a year you can order a 240 litre rubbish bin from TAMS which is the same size as the recycle bin, to replace the standard 140 litre bin.

#24
KeenGolfer12:26 pm, 29 Dec 11

TheDancingDjinn said :

Dilandach said :

Stealing? you classify picking through rubbish stealing? Personally i would rather the people picking through it at night and lightening the load – than the charity having to pick it all up and dump it.

It is theft and the law classifies it as such.

#25
shadow boxer1:42 pm, 29 Dec 11

I dont think the person dumping a matress actually thinks its going to charity.

Like most people they think the tip fees are too high and will find other means. Wait until you see how many CRT tv and monitors get dumped in 2012. On the small bin issue just pinch an extra one, they kind of rotate around the suburbs.

I again chalenge the greens to explain whats wrong with landfill, you dig a hole on the outskirts of town, fill it up with rubbish, when its full you push dirt over it and build houses.

#26
artuoui2:10 pm, 29 Dec 11

shadow boxer said :

I again chalenge the greens to explain whats wrong with landfill, you dig a hole on the outskirts of town, fill it up with rubbish, when its full you push dirt over it and build houses.

Or let trees grow on it and call it a park – I was told that Bruce Ridge was a tip before it became a nature park worth defending from the GDE.

#27
puggy2:26 pm, 29 Dec 11

shadow boxer said :

I again chalenge the greens to explain whats wrong with landfill, you dig a hole on the outskirts of town, fill it up with rubbish, when its full you push dirt over it and build houses.

Someone can correct me, but I’m pretty sure you can’t build houses on landfill. It’s not a very stable base. Around the landfill on solid ground yes (as I understand Gleneagles to be), but on it, no.

As an aside, California doesn’t charge to dump TVs, but they charge and an extra $20 to $30 tax at the register to buy a TV. Paying it forward so to speak.

#28
Postalgeek2:45 pm, 29 Dec 11

Install video cameras by the bins and fine the absolute crap out of dumpers ( they’re obviously lazy pricks who’ll park right in front of the bins). That’ll make them look at tip fees in a fresh light.

#29
Postalgeek2:52 pm, 29 Dec 11

Kan said :

I would happily pay for a slight increase in rates to cover the costs for much cheaper tip fees and free clean up days.

So why should someone who doesn’t buy consumer crap, doesn’t throw out a perfectly good TV because they want the latest model, and who makes an effort to sort their rubbish, disposing of scrap metal, green waste, cardboard, cans, bottles, and plastics for free at the local tip, have to subsidize those with more wasteful lifestyles?

#30
shadow boxer3:10 pm, 29 Dec 11

Postalgeek said :

Kan said :

I would happily pay for a slight increase in rates to cover the costs for much cheaper tip fees and free clean up days.

So why should someone who doesn’t buy consumer crap, doesn’t throw out a perfectly good TV because they want the latest model, and who makes an effort to sort their rubbish, disposing of scrap metal, green waste, cardboard, cans, bottles, and plastics for free at the local tip, have to subsidize those with more wasteful lifestyles?

It’s just a tip dude, all we are asking for is a couple of vouchers a year to support lifes basic services and the way most of us live (and always have).

Just because you opt out doesn’t mean we all have to subsidise your lifestyle choice. I don’t use solar but I pay through the arse for it.

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