Mount Ainslie revamp - let's improve but not go over the top

dungfungus said :

rubaiyat said :

Maya123 said :

rommeldog56 said :

Maya123 said :

People make negative jokes about densification in housing, but while the population is allowed to grow at its runaway rate it will happen. Don’t blame the ACT government for that either; they are just responding to the population policies of the Federal Government, which has been the same under both Liberal and Labor governments. If you don’t like the way housing is going, campaign to slow/stop the population growth. Don’t go for the symptom; go for the route cause.

There isn’t some sort of “runaway population” growth in Canberra. Nor is there really a shortage of land. Your attempt to deflect the state of Canberra in relation to the incredibly poor ACT Gov’t planning and fiscal priority setting and their obvious weakness to pressure from developers and tram consortia, is shallow.

It’s not the Feds fault – in fact, the Feds saw the benefits cost ratio for the Canberra tram of 1:1.2 as being not worth investing in.

Instead, the tram is going ahead as a ppp as a vehicle to accelerate densification along its corridor.

Have you been to the cement jungle called the Molonglo Valley ?

You can feel the extra heat radiating out of all the poorly sited, poorly built & poorly designed high density concrete monstrosities. That is an example of what densification looks like – or at least the ACT Gov’t version of it.

So, people joke about densification tongue in cheek. I for one haven’t yet had the frontal lobotomy necessary to accept the ACT Gov’t spin on all this.

But maybe I need to join the queue…….

Canberra’s population in 2000: 311,000 and in 2011: 356,000. That’s about 15% growth. Those people need to be housed somewhere. Now, in the light of that population growth I don’t follow the relevance of you argument at all. The problem is more and more people, and the ACT is not responsible for immigration. Or are you inferring that the population of Australia is steady and somehow that extra growth in local population has been drawn from elsewhere in Australia! (Australia’s total birth rate in 2014 was 1.80 babies per woman, while Canberra is 1.594. (Aust. Bureau of Statistics))

An international comparison:
Bangladesh’s population rose in 2015 1.20%. Canberra’s population growth from 2000 to 2011 averaged a yearly average of slightly more than that.

“Nor is there really a shortage of land.”
So true, what other use is there for those paddocks than putting housing on them. Food’s not a problem. Last time I checked there was plenty wrapped in plastic at the supermarket. And beside it’s on a little bit of farm land taken this year and the the next and the next and the next and the…only a little bit each year. Not a worry.

First they whinge about the price of land, then they whinge about the price of food.

They build a gross MacMansion, with double/triple garages, at the back of Whoop Whopp to park their gas guzzlers on and then complain about the mortgage, the cost of driving and “lack of roads”. A “lack” that has buried a quarter of our cities under concrete, and tar, and drowned out intelligent conversation on the subject.

Yep, it makes as much sense as building a couple of ski chalets in a national park.

They are building ski chalets on Mt Ainslie?

Not advisable even in the soon to be rebranded Snowy Mountains, where the ski seasons are now inexplicably short …something to do with cutting down trees north of Canberra.

rubaiyat said :

Maya123 said :

rommeldog56 said :

Maya123 said :

People make negative jokes about densification in housing, but while the population is allowed to grow at its runaway rate it will happen. Don’t blame the ACT government for that either; they are just responding to the population policies of the Federal Government, which has been the same under both Liberal and Labor governments. If you don’t like the way housing is going, campaign to slow/stop the population growth. Don’t go for the symptom; go for the route cause.

There isn’t some sort of “runaway population” growth in Canberra. Nor is there really a shortage of land. Your attempt to deflect the state of Canberra in relation to the incredibly poor ACT Gov’t planning and fiscal priority setting and their obvious weakness to pressure from developers and tram consortia, is shallow.

It’s not the Feds fault – in fact, the Feds saw the benefits cost ratio for the Canberra tram of 1:1.2 as being not worth investing in.

Instead, the tram is going ahead as a ppp as a vehicle to accelerate densification along its corridor.

Have you been to the cement jungle called the Molonglo Valley ?

You can feel the extra heat radiating out of all the poorly sited, poorly built & poorly designed high density concrete monstrosities. That is an example of what densification looks like – or at least the ACT Gov’t version of it.

So, people joke about densification tongue in cheek. I for one haven’t yet had the frontal lobotomy necessary to accept the ACT Gov’t spin on all this.

But maybe I need to join the queue…….

Canberra’s population in 2000: 311,000 and in 2011: 356,000. That’s about 15% growth. Those people need to be housed somewhere. Now, in the light of that population growth I don’t follow the relevance of you argument at all. The problem is more and more people, and the ACT is not responsible for immigration. Or are you inferring that the population of Australia is steady and somehow that extra growth in local population has been drawn from elsewhere in Australia! (Australia’s total birth rate in 2014 was 1.80 babies per woman, while Canberra is 1.594. (Aust. Bureau of Statistics))

An international comparison:
Bangladesh’s population rose in 2015 1.20%. Canberra’s population growth from 2000 to 2011 averaged a yearly average of slightly more than that.

“Nor is there really a shortage of land.”
So true, what other use is there for those paddocks than putting housing on them. Food’s not a problem. Last time I checked there was plenty wrapped in plastic at the supermarket. And beside it’s on a little bit of farm land taken this year and the the next and the next and the next and the…only a little bit each year. Not a worry.

First they whinge about the price of land, then they whinge about the price of food.

They build a gross MacMansion, with double/triple garages, at the back of Whoop Whopp to park their gas guzzlers on and then complain about the mortgage, the cost of driving and “lack of roads”. A “lack” that has buried a quarter of our cities under concrete, and tar, and drowned out intelligent conversation on the subject.

Yep, it makes as much sense as building a couple of ski chalets in a national park.

rubaiyat said :

Maya123 said :

rommeldog56 said :

Maya123 said :

People make negative jokes about densification in housing, but while the population is allowed to grow at its runaway rate it will happen. Don’t blame the ACT government for that either; they are just responding to the population policies of the Federal Government, which has been the same under both Liberal and Labor governments. If you don’t like the way housing is going, campaign to slow/stop the population growth. Don’t go for the symptom; go for the route cause.

There isn’t some sort of “runaway population” growth in Canberra. Nor is there really a shortage of land. Your attempt to deflect the state of Canberra in relation to the incredibly poor ACT Gov’t planning and fiscal priority setting and their obvious weakness to pressure from developers and tram consortia, is shallow.

It’s not the Feds fault – in fact, the Feds saw the benefits cost ratio for the Canberra tram of 1:1.2 as being not worth investing in.

Instead, the tram is going ahead as a ppp as a vehicle to accelerate densification along its corridor.

Have you been to the cement jungle called the Molonglo Valley ?

You can feel the extra heat radiating out of all the poorly sited, poorly built & poorly designed high density concrete monstrosities. That is an example of what densification looks like – or at least the ACT Gov’t version of it.

So, people joke about densification tongue in cheek. I for one haven’t yet had the frontal lobotomy necessary to accept the ACT Gov’t spin on all this.

But maybe I need to join the queue…….

Canberra’s population in 2000: 311,000 and in 2011: 356,000. That’s about 15% growth. Those people need to be housed somewhere. Now, in the light of that population growth I don’t follow the relevance of you argument at all. The problem is more and more people, and the ACT is not responsible for immigration. Or are you inferring that the population of Australia is steady and somehow that extra growth in local population has been drawn from elsewhere in Australia! (Australia’s total birth rate in 2014 was 1.80 babies per woman, while Canberra is 1.594. (Aust. Bureau of Statistics))

An international comparison:
Bangladesh’s population rose in 2015 1.20%. Canberra’s population growth from 2000 to 2011 averaged a yearly average of slightly more than that.

“Nor is there really a shortage of land.”
So true, what other use is there for those paddocks than putting housing on them. Food’s not a problem. Last time I checked there was plenty wrapped in plastic at the supermarket. And beside it’s on a little bit of farm land taken this year and the the next and the next and the next and the…only a little bit each year. Not a worry.

First they whinge about the price of land, then they whinge about the price of food.

They build a gross MacMansion, with double/triple garages, at the back of Whoop Whopp to park their gas guzzlers on and then complain about the mortgage, the cost of driving and “lack of roads”. A “lack” that has buried a quarter of our cities under concrete, and tar, and drowned out intelligent conversation on the subject.

Continuing the sarcasm, and then they blame pet cats for the lack of wildlife. Human expansion has nothing to do with it of course. It’s all the cats’ fault! Not the chopping down of trees and covering the bushland with concrete and MacMansions…no, no, no…DON’T be silly! Get real!

rubaiyat said :

They build a gross MacMansion, with double/triple garages, at the back of Whoop Whopp to park their gas guzzlers on and then complain about the mortgage, the cost of driving and “lack of roads”. A “lack” that has buried a quarter of our cities under concrete, and tar, and drowned out intelligent conversation on the subject.

Opposition to medium- and high-density housing is the chief cause of concrete and tar being poured over our agricultural land.
…well, *that*, excessive immigration, and the baby bonus of course.

gazket said :

you people never heard of a thermos . why do we need a millions $ worth of shop on mount Ainslie.

Gee, I don’t know, maybe for the same reason we moved out of caves and developed cake-making and brewing?

Mt Ainslie would look great lit up in neon, with pumping music, clubs & restaurants open at night. Totally awesome.

We have many, many hills we can leave alone – doing one up to be fun wouldn’t change that.

Maya123 said :

rommeldog56 said :

Maya123 said :

People make negative jokes about densification in housing, but while the population is allowed to grow at its runaway rate it will happen. Don’t blame the ACT government for that either; they are just responding to the population policies of the Federal Government, which has been the same under both Liberal and Labor governments. If you don’t like the way housing is going, campaign to slow/stop the population growth. Don’t go for the symptom; go for the route cause.

There isn’t some sort of “runaway population” growth in Canberra. Nor is there really a shortage of land. Your attempt to deflect the state of Canberra in relation to the incredibly poor ACT Gov’t planning and fiscal priority setting and their obvious weakness to pressure from developers and tram consortia, is shallow.

It’s not the Feds fault – in fact, the Feds saw the benefits cost ratio for the Canberra tram of 1:1.2 as being not worth investing in.

Instead, the tram is going ahead as a ppp as a vehicle to accelerate densification along its corridor.

Have you been to the cement jungle called the Molonglo Valley ?

You can feel the extra heat radiating out of all the poorly sited, poorly built & poorly designed high density concrete monstrosities. That is an example of what densification looks like – or at least the ACT Gov’t version of it.

So, people joke about densification tongue in cheek. I for one haven’t yet had the frontal lobotomy necessary to accept the ACT Gov’t spin on all this.

But maybe I need to join the queue…….

Canberra’s population in 2000: 311,000 and in 2011: 356,000. That’s about 15% growth. Those people need to be housed somewhere. Now, in the light of that population growth I don’t follow the relevance of you argument at all. The problem is more and more people, and the ACT is not responsible for immigration. Or are you inferring that the population of Australia is steady and somehow that extra growth in local population has been drawn from elsewhere in Australia! (Australia’s total birth rate in 2014 was 1.80 babies per woman, while Canberra is 1.594. (Aust. Bureau of Statistics))

An international comparison:
Bangladesh’s population rose in 2015 1.20%. Canberra’s population growth from 2000 to 2011 averaged a yearly average of slightly more than that.

“Nor is there really a shortage of land.”
So true, what other use is there for those paddocks than putting housing on them. Food’s not a problem. Last time I checked there was plenty wrapped in plastic at the supermarket. And beside it’s on a little bit of farm land taken this year and the the next and the next and the next and the…only a little bit each year. Not a worry.

First they whinge about the price of land, then they whinge about the price of food.

They build a gross MacMansion, with double/triple garages, at the back of Whoop Whopp to park their gas guzzlers on and then complain about the mortgage, the cost of driving and “lack of roads”. A “lack” that has buried a quarter of our cities under concrete, and tar, and drowned out intelligent conversation on the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate

This puts the Australian population growth rate into a world perspective. There are some countries I would consider ‘third world’ with a lower population growth rate than us.

Maya123 said :

rommeldog56 said :

Maya123 said :

People make negative jokes about densification in housing, but while the population is allowed to grow at its runaway rate it will happen. Don’t blame the ACT government for that either; they are just responding to the population policies of the Federal Government, which has been the same under both Liberal and Labor governments. If you don’t like the way housing is going, campaign to slow/stop the population growth. Don’t go for the symptom; go for the route cause.

There isn’t some sort of “runaway population” growth in Canberra. Nor is there really a shortage of land. Your attempt to deflect the state of Canberra in relation to the incredibly poor ACT Gov’t planning and fiscal priority setting and their obvious weakness to pressure from developers and tram consortia, is shallow.

It’s not the Feds fault – in fact, the Feds saw the benefits cost ratio for the Canberra tram of 1:1.2 as being not worth investing in.

Instead, the tram is going ahead as a ppp as a vehicle to accelerate densification along its corridor.

Have you been to the cement jungle called the Molonglo Valley ?

You can feel the extra heat radiating out of all the poorly sited, poorly built & poorly designed high density concrete monstrosities. That is an example of what densification looks like – or at least the ACT Gov’t version of it.

So, people joke about densification tongue in cheek. I for one haven’t yet had the frontal lobotomy necessary to accept the ACT Gov’t spin on all this.

But maybe I need to join the queue…….

Canberra’s population in 2000: 311,000 and in 2011: 356,000. That’s about 15% growth. Those people need to be housed somewhere. Now, in the light of that population growth I don’t follow the relevance of you argument at all. The problem is more and more people, and the ACT is not responsible for immigration. Or are you inferring that the population of Australia is steady and somehow that extra growth in local population has been drawn from elsewhere in Australia! (Australia’s total birth rate in 2014 was 1.80 babies per woman, while Canberra is 1.594. (Aust. Bureau of Statistics))

Andrew Barr tweeted the other day that the current estimated population is now about 390,000. So effectively Canberra’s population has increased by around the same amount in the last four years as it did for the 11 years prior to that. Wow.

rommeldog56 said :

Maya123 said :

People make negative jokes about densification in housing, but while the population is allowed to grow at its runaway rate it will happen. Don’t blame the ACT government for that either; they are just responding to the population policies of the Federal Government, which has been the same under both Liberal and Labor governments. If you don’t like the way housing is going, campaign to slow/stop the population growth. Don’t go for the symptom; go for the route cause.

There isn’t some sort of “runaway population” growth in Canberra. Nor is there really a shortage of land. Your attempt to deflect the state of Canberra in relation to the incredibly poor ACT Gov’t planning and fiscal priority setting and their obvious weakness to pressure from developers and tram consortia, is shallow.

It’s not the Feds fault – in fact, the Feds saw the benefits cost ratio for the Canberra tram of 1:1.2 as being not worth investing in.

Instead, the tram is going ahead as a ppp as a vehicle to accelerate densification along its corridor.

Have you been to the cement jungle called the Molonglo Valley ?

You can feel the extra heat radiating out of all the poorly sited, poorly built & poorly designed high density concrete monstrosities. That is an example of what densification looks like – or at least the ACT Gov’t version of it.

So, people joke about densification tongue in cheek. I for one haven’t yet had the frontal lobotomy necessary to accept the ACT Gov’t spin on all this.

But maybe I need to join the queue…….

Canberra’s population in 2000: 311,000 and in 2011: 356,000. That’s about 15% growth. Those people need to be housed somewhere. Now, in the light of that population growth I don’t follow the relevance of you argument at all. The problem is more and more people, and the ACT is not responsible for immigration. Or are you inferring that the population of Australia is steady and somehow that extra growth in local population has been drawn from elsewhere in Australia! (Australia’s total birth rate in 2014 was 1.80 babies per woman, while Canberra is 1.594. (Aust. Bureau of Statistics))

An international comparison:
Bangladesh’s population rose in 2015 1.20%. Canberra’s population growth from 2000 to 2011 averaged a yearly average of slightly more than that.

“Nor is there really a shortage of land.”
So true, what other use is there for those paddocks than putting housing on them. Food’s not a problem. Last time I checked there was plenty wrapped in plastic at the supermarket. And beside it’s on a little bit of farm land taken this year and the the next and the next and the next and the…only a little bit each year. Not a worry.

Maya123 said :

People make negative jokes about densification in housing, but while the population is allowed to grow at its runaway rate it will happen. Don’t blame the ACT government for that either; they are just responding to the population policies of the Federal Government, which has been the same under both Liberal and Labor governments. If you don’t like the way housing is going, campaign to slow/stop the population growth. Don’t go for the symptom; go for the route cause.

There isn’t some sort of “runaway population” growth in Canberra. Nor is there really a shortage of land. Your attempt to deflect the state of Canberra in relation to the incredibly poor ACT Gov’t planning and fiscal priority setting and their obvious weakness to pressure from developers and tram consortia, is shallow.

It’s not the Feds fault – in fact, the Feds saw the benefits cost ratio for the Canberra tram of 1:1.2 as being not worth investing in. Instead, the tram is going ahead as a ppp as a vehicle to accelerate densification along its corridor. Have you been to the cement jungle called the Molonglo Valley ? You can feel the extra heat radiating out of all the poorly sited, poorly built & poorly designed high density concrete monstrosities. That is an example of what densification looks like – or at least the ACT Gov’t version of it.

So, people joke about densification tongue in cheek. I for one haven’t yet had the frontal lobotomy necessary to accept the ACT Gov’t spin on all this. But maybe I need to join the queue…….