27 August 2012

Feral Cats at Callam Offices, Woden

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Callam Offices are the location of a large population of feral cats.

Not only has the ACT Government failed to bait them/catch them/get rid of them in some way, but several extraordinarily stupid women have been regularly seen feeding these cats.

Yesterday, I witnessed the evidence of the environmental effects that cats have on our environment, in the form of the well-gnawed remains of Australian Native Fauna, namely what looks like a pair of Rosella wings.

I hope the complete idiots who’ve been feeding these cats are *really* proud of themselves.

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AsparagusSyndrome4:50 am 01 Sep 12

Jungle Jim said :

N_A’s story is the same all over the internet.

A good example here

Quite agree. Our Nature_Advocate is an avid environmentalist – you can see that from his recycling habits and his user sock-puppet names – quite by accident, I’ve come across his posts under the rugged outdoorsy name – Woodsman001 at
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/08/scienceshot-cats-dont-cause-canc.html

If you click on his username at that site, you will have the exquisite pleasure of uncovering a whole trove of very familiar looking comments, inserted sideways, rectally, in an equally trollesque manner. And if you care to go further, Googling the same name reveals even more of his crusade-worthy efforts appearing in other forums over a long period. He must just sit there for days, cutting and pasting at his legendary 130 paragraphs per second, interspersed here and there with his lovingly customised and sensitive comments to suit the occasion, perhaps hoping that the invective will inspire or irritate others. He even has “standard issue prepared reply for bible-home-schooled people like you” diatribes, ready to cut and paste anywhere he goes. Convenience doubleplus.

He’s like the ever-prepared Johnny Appleseed of cat extincterization advocates, or maybe a modern day Onan, spilling his seed in the dust all over the internet, hoping it will bear … well, “fruit” hardly seems to describe the utter catlessness and on-line negative attention so keenly sought.

Imagine being born, full of potential, growing up with dreams and ambitions, and all the hopes of devoted parents … and then, years later, winding up spending your hours hunched over a keyboard, ranting endlessly at every opportunity on a singular topic like how to eradicate a particular breed from the planet, and all the ills that this undesirable breed will bring about if not stopped now. Can’t put my finger on it, but I have a creeping sense of deja vu about all that. I guess I should dismiss this as my cognitive dissociativity coming back again. Can’t get these dang oocysts out of my head…

Anyways… like the Woden women and their feral cats, we prolly best stop feeding the trolls I guess.

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

HenryBG,
I think the logic goes more like this:

X damages the environment by B amount.
Y damages the environment by 100 000 000 x B (guesstimation for example only)

Therefore I will concentrate on stopping/hating X whilst ignoring Y. You’re right, the logic doesn’t make sense.

More fuzzy cat-loving logic.

Caring about cause X in no way excludes caring about cause Y.

This is a thread about Cause X.

Introducing the irrelevance of Cause Y to this thread is an example of diversion: usually example of dishonesty, I’ve been kind and ascribed it here to mere stupidity instead.

Meanwhile, the native fauna all over Canberra remains under constant assault from cats, who have no place in this ecology and should be eradicated.

Actually it’s foxes and Indian Mynah birds that are the biggest problem in Canberra threatening native bird species:)

HenryBG said :

kakosi said :

It’s odd that people hate cats so much and fail to realise every animal has the ability to spread disease, but no animal destroys the environment as much as human beings. Think of all the hundreds of thousands of hectares of land cleared to feed people, to build cities and homes, and then you might put this argument into proper perspective.

I believe Freud said that people who dislike cats dislike the feminine side of their own natures – perhaps here lies the real reason for all the cat-hating?

Freud was full of sh!t, and I can’t believe some people are so dense they are still trotting it out.

Your argument seems to be, “X causes damage to the environment, therefore you shouldn’t condemn Y for damaging the environment”.

Typical lack of logic you would expect from the cat-loving mind.

Cats should be eradicated.

I was being sardonic – look it up fool!

bundah said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

geetee said :

Hmmmm…

Does anyone know if this toxoplasmosis stuff can get into phone lines or wireless internet connections and potentially cause madness for interweb users?

I am pretty sure that the only way to protect oneself is to wear a tinfoil hat at all times.

Like these two?
http://swirlsipsnark.com/?attachment_id=10771

I think the cat is wearing its hat inside out. Deosn’t the shiny side go on the outside?

Nature_Advocate said :

Watson said :

Oh man, this evil cat stuff is hilarious! Please don’t stop!

But if you really want to help the environment, I suggest changing your target to humans. I wouldn’t go round showing photos of piles of dead people though. You might want to be a bit more discreet if you go that way. Good luck!

While it is true that overpopulation of humans is the #1 problem that we and all other species face today; this doesn’t excuse all the responsible, wise, and intelligent people from cleaning-up and stopping all the ecological disasters caused by those phenomenally stupid and criminally negligent people that should have never been born in the first place.

Cats are a man-made (through selective breeding) invasive species. And as such, cats being a product of man’s intervention, are no less of a man-made environmental disaster than any oil-spill, radiation-fallout, chemical-spill, or other environmental disaster _caused_by_man_. Cats are _not_exempt_ from having to be removed from every natural environment, wherever and whenever they are found away from supervised confinement. Just as you would do all you can to remove Zebra Mussels from any waterway where they don’t belong. Or Burmese Pythons and African Cichlids from every habitat where they exist in N. America today. Burmese Pythons and African Cichlids started out as pets too. Many of our destructive invasive species pests started out as PETS discarded by criminally-irresponsible humans. (Or from pets’ habitats, e.g. Eurasian Watermilfoil that is annihilating native aquatic life in many regions of the USA came from people irresponsibly dumping their pet-fish aquarium water into lakes and streams.) And guess what happens to all those other non-native pets that became destructive invasive species? They are destroyed on-site by any means possible — no questions asked — none required.

Cats are even worse than an oil-spill of multi-continent-sized proportions. They not only kill off rare and endangered marine-mammals along all coastlines (just as all oil-spills do) from run-off from the land carrying cats’ Toxoplasma gondii parasites, they also destroy the complete food-chain in every ecosystem where cats are found today. From smallest of prey that is gutted and skinned alive for cats’ tortured play-toys (not even used for food, just for senseless play), up to the top predators that are starved to death from cats destroying their ONLY food sources. (Precisely what cats caused on my own land not long ago.) They don’t destroy just birds. They destroy everything that moves — directly or indirectly. They will even destroy valuable native vegetation by destroying those animals that are required pollinators for those plants or those that act as seed dispersers for those plants (as many smaller rodent and bird species do) or those that act as pest-control for those plants. Cats can and will wipe out whole ecosystems eventually — animal and plant.

Cats need to be made to disappear from all non-native habitats — PERMANENTLY. And the sooner the better. They are breeding out of control at an exponential rate. The reason for “the sooner the better” is that you can only hope you can halt the problem before it is beyond the reach of any method you eventually choose. Luckily, I caught the problem in time where I live. It seems nobody else is faring as well — their time is being wasted by cat-lovers trying to stop them from doing the right thing. Asking or listening to any deranged invasive species advocate for advice on how to clean up the ecological disaster that they created and perpetuate is about as useful as asking your local career theives for advice on where to hide your valuables from their daily activities. Ignore anything they might say and you too will solve the problem where you live.

Thanks! Keep up the good work. 😀

colourful sydney racing identity said :

geetee said :

Hmmmm…

Does anyone know if this toxoplasmosis stuff can get into phone lines or wireless internet connections and potentially cause madness for interweb users?

I am pretty sure that the only way to protect oneself is to wear a tinfoil hat at all times.

Like these two?
http://swirlsipsnark.com/?attachment_id=10771

I’ve seen two different men feeding the cats, so maybe you need to edit your post to include men not just “stupid women”.

I don’t believe you.

Real men don’t feed cats.

chewy14 said :

HenryBG,
I think the logic goes more like this:

X damages the environment by B amount.
Y damages the environment by 100 000 000 x B (guesstimation for example only)

Therefore I will concentrate on stopping/hating X whilst ignoring Y. You’re right, the logic doesn’t make sense.

More fuzzy cat-loving logic.

Caring about cause X in no way excludes caring about cause Y.

This is a thread about Cause X.

Introducing the irrelevance of Cause Y to this thread is an example of diversion: usually example of dishonesty, I’ve been kind and ascribed it here to mere stupidity instead.

Meanwhile, the native fauna all over Canberra remains under constant assault from cats, who have no place in this ecology and should be eradicated.

kakosi said :

I believe Freud said that people who dislike cats dislike the feminine side of their own natures – perhaps here lies the real reason for all the cat-hating?

I’m pretty sure he actually said “People who dislike cats want to f__k their mothers”. Actually, I’m pretty sure everything he had to say involved having sex with his mother.

I kinda like the fact that we now have a nutbag from the states posting, it almost guarantees a good bit of crazy to read each morning.

We just need to make sure there is always a cat thread running. I wonder how he feels about cyclists?

HenryBG,
I think the logic goes more like this:

X damages the environment by B amount.
Y damages the environment by 100 000 000 x B (guesstimation for example only)

Therefore I will concentrate on stopping/hating X whilst ignoring Y. You’re right, the logic doesn’t make sense.

kakosi said :

It’s odd that people hate cats so much and fail to realise every animal has the ability to spread disease, but no animal destroys the environment as much as human beings. Think of all the hundreds of thousands of hectares of land cleared to feed people, to build cities and homes, and then you might put this argument into proper perspective.

I believe Freud said that people who dislike cats dislike the feminine side of their own natures – perhaps here lies the real reason for all the cat-hating?

Freud was full of sh!t, and I can’t believe some people are so dense they are still trotting it out.

Your argument seems to be, “X causes damage to the environment, therefore you shouldn’t condemn Y for damaging the environment”.

Typical lack of logic you would expect from the cat-loving mind.

Cats should be eradicated.

colourful sydney racing identity9:16 am 31 Aug 12

geetee said :

Hmmmm…

Does anyone know if this toxoplasmosis stuff can get into phone lines or wireless internet connections and potentially cause madness for interweb users?

I am pretty sure that the only way to protect oneself is to wear a tinfoil hat at all times.

Interesting that the Nature_Advocate on Jungle Jim’s link gives his name.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/users/NatureAdvocate/comments/

Real or fake, who knows.

Another interesting post from the same guy here (about halfway down):

http://m.arkansasonline.com/news/2012/may/17/man-shooting-stray-cat-badly-hurts-neighbor/

I like Vickie Brown’s post that follows. So true!

And yes, I do have too much time on my hands.

Hmmmm…

Does anyone know if this toxoplasmosis stuff can get into phone lines or wireless internet connections and potentially cause madness for interweb users?

Nature_Advocate2:16 am 31 Aug 12

Watson said :

Oh man, this evil cat stuff is hilarious! Please don’t stop!

But if you really want to help the environment, I suggest changing your target to humans. I wouldn’t go round showing photos of piles of dead people though. You might want to be a bit more discreet if you go that way. Good luck!

While it is true that overpopulation of humans is the #1 problem that we and all other species face today; this doesn’t excuse all the responsible, wise, and intelligent people from cleaning-up and stopping all the ecological disasters caused by those phenomenally stupid and criminally negligent people that should have never been born in the first place.

Cats are a man-made (through selective breeding) invasive species. And as such, cats being a product of man’s intervention, are no less of a man-made environmental disaster than any oil-spill, radiation-fallout, chemical-spill, or other environmental disaster _caused_by_man_. Cats are _not_exempt_ from having to be removed from every natural environment, wherever and whenever they are found away from supervised confinement. Just as you would do all you can to remove Zebra Mussels from any waterway where they don’t belong. Or Burmese Pythons and African Cichlids from every habitat where they exist in N. America today. Burmese Pythons and African Cichlids started out as pets too. Many of our destructive invasive species pests started out as PETS discarded by criminally-irresponsible humans. (Or from pets’ habitats, e.g. Eurasian Watermilfoil that is annihilating native aquatic life in many regions of the USA came from people irresponsibly dumping their pet-fish aquarium water into lakes and streams.) And guess what happens to all those other non-native pets that became destructive invasive species? They are destroyed on-site by any means possible — no questions asked — none required.

Cats are even worse than an oil-spill of multi-continent-sized proportions. They not only kill off rare and endangered marine-mammals along all coastlines (just as all oil-spills do) from run-off from the land carrying cats’ Toxoplasma gondii parasites, they also destroy the complete food-chain in every ecosystem where cats are found today. From smallest of prey that is gutted and skinned alive for cats’ tortured play-toys (not even used for food, just for senseless play), up to the top predators that are starved to death from cats destroying their ONLY food sources. (Precisely what cats caused on my own land not long ago.) They don’t destroy just birds. They destroy everything that moves — directly or indirectly. They will even destroy valuable native vegetation by destroying those animals that are required pollinators for those plants or those that act as seed dispersers for those plants (as many smaller rodent and bird species do) or those that act as pest-control for those plants. Cats can and will wipe out whole ecosystems eventually — animal and plant.

Cats need to be made to disappear from all non-native habitats — PERMANENTLY. And the sooner the better. They are breeding out of control at an exponential rate. The reason for “the sooner the better” is that you can only hope you can halt the problem before it is beyond the reach of any method you eventually choose. Luckily, I caught the problem in time where I live. It seems nobody else is faring as well — their time is being wasted by cat-lovers trying to stop them from doing the right thing. Asking or listening to any deranged invasive species advocate for advice on how to clean up the ecological disaster that they created and perpetuate is about as useful as asking your local career theives for advice on where to hide your valuables from their daily activities. Ignore anything they might say and you too will solve the problem where you live.

poetix said :

DrKoresh said :

Nature_Advocate said :

Evil_Kitten said :

I hope you didn’t write all that out for me? I am a dog person and am very rarely, if ever, around cats.

I don’t care what kind of person you are. You’re just obviously phenomenally ignorant to the ecological disaster and human health disaster that the whole world faces today caused by misguided, criminally irresponsible, and delusional cat-lovers.

And don’t feel too flattered by the number of characters typed. 130 wpm typing makes this effortless.

You’re the one blaming toxoplasmosis for all of society’s ills, I don’t think you’re in a position to go around calling anybody paranoid and delusional. As for your wpm? Cool story bro, i bet all the wimmins just looooove your mad typing skillz.

http://cheezburger.com/5179239936

It had to happen…

Only time I’ll ever post one of these. I don’t really like cats, but I don’t think they’re responsible for climate change or nuclear weapons.

I love cats but I reckon they are totally responsible for climate change and nuclear weapons.

Satan’s fluffy minions.

ButI am beginning to wonder if Nature_Advocate is Captain RAAF’s civilian twin.

DrKoresh said :

Nature_Advocate said :

Evil_Kitten said :

I hope you didn’t write all that out for me? I am a dog person and am very rarely, if ever, around cats.

I don’t care what kind of person you are. You’re just obviously phenomenally ignorant to the ecological disaster and human health disaster that the whole world faces today caused by misguided, criminally irresponsible, and delusional cat-lovers.

And don’t feel too flattered by the number of characters typed. 130 wpm typing makes this effortless.

You’re the one blaming toxoplasmosis for all of society’s ills, I don’t think you’re in a position to go around calling anybody paranoid and delusional. As for your wpm? Cool story bro, i bet all the wimmins just looooove your mad typing skillz.

http://cheezburger.com/5179239936

It had to happen…

Only time I’ll ever post one of these. I don’t really like cats, but I don’t think they’re responsible for climate change or nuclear weapons.

It’s odd that people hate cats so much and fail to realise every animal has the ability to spread disease, but no animal destroys the environment as much as human beings. Think of all the hundreds of thousands of hectares of land cleared to feed people, to build cities and homes, and then you might put this argument into proper perspective.

I believe Freud said that people who dislike cats dislike the feminine side of their own natures – perhaps here lies the real reason for all the cat-hating?

Why not put the hate on dogs? They do as much environmental damage, spread as many diseases and they bite and sometimes maim people.

“Time spent with cats is never wasted.” Sigmund Freud 🙂

N_A’s story is the same all over the internet.

A good example here

Nature_Advocate said :

Evil_Kitten said :

I hope you didn’t write all that out for me? I am a dog person and am very rarely, if ever, around cats.

I don’t care what kind of person you are. You’re just obviously phenomenally ignorant to the ecological disaster and human health disaster that the whole world faces today caused by misguided, criminally irresponsible, and delusional cat-lovers.

And don’t feel too flattered by the number of characters typed. 130+wpm typing makes this effortless.

You’re the one blaming toxoplasmosis for all of society’s ills, I don’t think you’re in a position to go around calling anybody paranoid and delusional. As for your wpm? Cool story bro, i bet all the wimmins just looooove your mad typing skillz.

Oh man, this evil cat stuff is hilarious! Please don’t stop!

But if you really want to help the environment, I suggest changing your target to humans. I wouldn’t go round showing photos of piles of dead people though. You might want to be a bit more discreet if you go that way. Good luck!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I can’t be bothered going through natures advocates links, but are any of them actually legit and peer reviewed or just conspiracy theory websites?

I have two rival cats that Coe into my back yard and shit in my veggie garden and also try to kill the large amounts of willy wagtails, finches and grass parrots. The smaller birds are two quick but they have killed two parrots so far this year. I’m glad my girls have not seem a dead bird in their yard yet. Idk who owns them. If I did I would go speak to them. Very irresponsible owners and the cats are allowed out 24 hours.
If I ever see them I try to throw bricks or hand tools at them but always miss. What’s a more effective way to get rid of them?

If you own a cat, why can’t you keep it inside?

You need this bloke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkLjjlMV8&feature=youtu.be

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd10:55 am 30 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I can’t be bothered going through natures advocates links, but are any of them actually legit and peer reviewed or just conspiracy theory websites?

I have two rival cats that Coe into my back yard and shit in my veggie garden and also try to kill the large amounts of willy wagtails, finches and grass parrots. The smaller birds are two quick but they have killed two parrots so far this year. I’m glad my girls have not seem a dead bird in their yard yet. Idk who owns them. If I did I would go speak to them. Very irresponsible owners and the cats are allowed out 24 hours.
If I ever see them I try to throw bricks or hand tools at them but always miss. What’s a more effective way to get rid of them?

If you own a cat, why can’t you keep it inside?

Because people who own cats are selfish, irresponsible morons.

My front yard has a bunch of Hakeas, Grevilleas and other natives and used to be full of Spinebills, silvereyes, and pardelotes. Then, some new neighbours moved in, together with their unrestrained cat. Now, my front yard has no wildlife whatsoever.

I’m in two minds as to what’s worse: cat owners or vegetarians.

Again with sweeping generalisations.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I can’t be bothered going through natures advocates links, but are any of them actually legit and peer reviewed or just conspiracy theory websites?

I have two rival cats that Coe into my back yard and shit in my veggie garden and also try to kill the large amounts of willy wagtails, finches and grass parrots. The smaller birds are two quick but they have killed two parrots so far this year. I’m glad my girls have not seem a dead bird in their yard yet. Idk who owns them. If I did I would go speak to them. Very irresponsible owners and the cats are allowed out 24 hours.
If I ever see them I try to throw bricks or hand tools at them but always miss. What’s a more effective way to get rid of them?

If you own a cat, why can’t you keep it inside?

Because people who own cats are selfish, irresponsible morons.

My front yard has a bunch of Hakeas, Grevilleas and other natives and used to be full of Spinebills, silvereyes, and pardelotes. Then, some new neighbours moved in, together with their unrestrained cat. Now, my front yard has no wildlife whatsoever.

I’m in two minds as to what’s worse: cat owners or vegetarians.

Ah, this explains why I like to find mice and rip their heads off with my teeth.

I thought it was because I was batshit crazy but it’s really because of the cat parasites.

Phew!

colourful sydney racing identity9:33 am 30 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I can’t be bothered going through natures advocates links, but are any of them actually legit and peer reviewed or just conspiracy theory websites?

I have two rival cats that Coe into my back yard and shit in my veggie garden and also try to kill the large amounts of willy wagtails, finches and grass parrots. The smaller birds are two quick but they have killed two parrots so far this year. I’m glad my girls have not seem a dead bird in their yard yet. Idk who owns them. If I did I would go speak to them. Very irresponsible owners and the cats are allowed out 24 hours.
If I ever see them I try to throw bricks or hand tools at them but always miss. What’s a more effective way to get rid of them?

If you own a cat, why can’t you keep it inside?

cat trap from the RSPCA, put it in your yard, bait it with a chicken wing.

Cat goes in to trap, cat goes for chicken wing. Trap shuts. Take trap to RSPCA.
(when you read the above sentence can you please do it with the voice of Quint from Jaws – ‘cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark’s in the water. Our shark.’)

oh really? cool. Do they charge for these? not that i would mind paying if it meant getting rid of the cat.
Then what? RSPCA returns it to owner?

It has been a while since I used one, I think you get them for free, but have to leave a $50 deposit. As far as I know they contact the owner (assuming the cat is chipped/tagged) and if the cat is not picked up it goes on death row.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:22 am 30 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I can’t be bothered going through natures advocates links, but are any of them actually legit and peer reviewed or just conspiracy theory websites?

I have two rival cats that Coe into my back yard and shit in my veggie garden and also try to kill the large amounts of willy wagtails, finches and grass parrots. The smaller birds are two quick but they have killed two parrots so far this year. I’m glad my girls have not seem a dead bird in their yard yet. Idk who owns them. If I did I would go speak to them. Very irresponsible owners and the cats are allowed out 24 hours.
If I ever see them I try to throw bricks or hand tools at them but always miss. What’s a more effective way to get rid of them?

If you own a cat, why can’t you keep it inside?

Just spray them with water, they’ll finally get the idea.

i tried, oh how i tried. im even worse shot with buckets of water than with rocks. As soon as it sees me now it bolts, so getting the hose is not a option.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:21 am 30 Aug 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I can’t be bothered going through natures advocates links, but are any of them actually legit and peer reviewed or just conspiracy theory websites?

I have two rival cats that Coe into my back yard and shit in my veggie garden and also try to kill the large amounts of willy wagtails, finches and grass parrots. The smaller birds are two quick but they have killed two parrots so far this year. I’m glad my girls have not seem a dead bird in their yard yet. Idk who owns them. If I did I would go speak to them. Very irresponsible owners and the cats are allowed out 24 hours.
If I ever see them I try to throw bricks or hand tools at them but always miss. What’s a more effective way to get rid of them?

If you own a cat, why can’t you keep it inside?

cat trap from the RSPCA, put it in your yard, bait it with a chicken wing.

Cat goes in to trap, cat goes for chicken wing. Trap shuts. Take trap to RSPCA.
(when you read the above sentence can you please do it with the voice of Quint from Jaws – ‘cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark’s in the water. Our shark.’)

oh really? cool. Do they charge for these? not that i would mind paying if it meant getting rid of the cat.
Then what? RSPCA returns it to owner?

colourful sydney racing identity8:05 am 30 Aug 12

Nature_Advocate said :

The law in the USA …

taking debating tips from Mysteryman are you?

colourful sydney racing identity8:02 am 30 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I can’t be bothered going through natures advocates links, but are any of them actually legit and peer reviewed or just conspiracy theory websites?

I have two rival cats that Coe into my back yard and shit in my veggie garden and also try to kill the large amounts of willy wagtails, finches and grass parrots. The smaller birds are two quick but they have killed two parrots so far this year. I’m glad my girls have not seem a dead bird in their yard yet. Idk who owns them. If I did I would go speak to them. Very irresponsible owners and the cats are allowed out 24 hours.
If I ever see them I try to throw bricks or hand tools at them but always miss. What’s a more effective way to get rid of them?

If you own a cat, why can’t you keep it inside?

cat trap from the RSPCA, put it in your yard, bait it with a chicken wing.

Cat goes in to trap, cat goes for chicken wing. Trap shuts. Take trap to RSPCA.
(when you read the above sentence can you please do it with the voice of Quint from Jaws – ‘cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark’s in the water. Our shark.’)

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:57 am 30 Aug 12

I can’t be bothered going through natures advocates links, but are any of them actually legit and peer reviewed or just conspiracy theory websites?

I have two rival cats that Coe into my back yard and shit in my veggie garden and also try to kill the large amounts of willy wagtails, finches and grass parrots. The smaller birds are two quick but they have killed two parrots so far this year. I’m glad my girls have not seem a dead bird in their yard yet. Idk who owns them. If I did I would go speak to them. Very irresponsible owners and the cats are allowed out 24 hours.
If I ever see them I try to throw bricks or hand tools at them but always miss. What’s a more effective way to get rid of them?

If you own a cat, why can’t you keep it inside?

There’s someone ignorant here and it ain’t me! Enjoy your life weirdo cat hater, well what’s left of it until you die from cat “stuff” (“stuff” being whatever you’re rambling about – I CBF’d reading it).

Nature_Advocate said :

kakosi said :

It’s obvious that the “nature advocate” person has a mental illness – hopefully their access to guns and poison is just a figment of their imagination.

The last person who thought I was kidding, I sent them a photo of a pile of freshly shot-dead cats. Just one of the piles. In that one alone there were well over 30 cats. I had to shoot and bury hundreds by the time I was done ridding my land of these pestilent vermin. That person no longer thought I was kidding after they had asked for proof. And they most certainly weren’t laughing about it anymore. I assure you, that trying to save hundreds of species of animals on your land from one man-made invasive species is nothing to kid about. If you care about your planet and all life on it, you too will do the responsible thing and destroy every last free-roaming cat before those cats can and will destroy the very habitat upon which your very own lives ultimately depend.

Cats had managed to annihilate the whole natural food-chain on my land. That will NEVER happen again. Because if even one cat so much as steps paw on my land ever again? It too will be shot on sight and buried A.S.A.P. Because if I don’t, I’ll be a**-deep in cats again in no time, with them destroying all the native wildlife and spreading their deadly diseases again. No responsible person in the world will allow that to ever happen again after experiencing it once during their life. I am proud to know that NO CAT will EVER leave my property and ever become a problem for any other living thing on earth ever again. If only everyone could make that promise and be that responsible with the world they inhabit, we wouldn’t even be having these discussions.

Please post your real name so we can alert the police of your whereabouts and have you arrested.

Nature_Advocate11:53 pm 29 Aug 12

Evil_Kitten said :

I hope you didn’t write all that out for me? I am a dog person and am very rarely, if ever, around cats.

I don’t care what kind of person you are. You’re just obviously phenomenally ignorant to the ecological disaster and human health disaster that the whole world faces today caused by misguided, criminally irresponsible, and delusional cat-lovers.

And don’t feel too flattered by the number of characters typed. 130+wpm typing makes this effortless.

Nature_Advocate said :

I’m insane

Dude – seriously. This is not a conspiracy theory site.

I don’t own cats, I don’t particularly like cats and, to be honest, I’m slightly allergic to them. I still think you’re completely nuts, based on these posts.

I can pretty safely say that I’ve not been ‘infected’ by cats and, to reiterate, I can also say that I don’t really like them. That doesn’t mean I’m willing to kill other people’s pets, humanely or not. You sir, need some help.

I hope you didn’t write all that out for me? I am a dog person and am very rarely, if ever, around cats.

Nature_Advocate11:25 pm 29 Aug 12

kakosi said :

It’s obvious that the “nature advocate” person has a mental illness – hopefully their access to guns and poison is just a figment of their imagination.

The last person who thought I was kidding, I sent them a photo of a pile of freshly shot-dead cats. Just one of the piles. In that one alone there were well over 30 cats. I had to shoot and bury hundreds by the time I was done ridding my land of these pestilent vermin. That person no longer thought I was kidding after they had asked for proof. And they most certainly weren’t laughing about it anymore. I assure you, that trying to save hundreds of species of animals on your land from one man-made invasive species is nothing to kid about. If you care about your planet and all life on it, you too will do the responsible thing and destroy every last free-roaming cat before those cats can and will destroy the very habitat upon which your very own lives ultimately depend.

Cats had managed to annihilate the whole natural food-chain on my land. That will NEVER happen again. Because if even one cat so much as steps paw on my land ever again? It too will be shot on sight and buried A.S.A.P. Because if I don’t, I’ll be a**-deep in cats again in no time, with them destroying all the native wildlife and spreading their deadly diseases again. No responsible person in the world will allow that to ever happen again after experiencing it once during their life. I am proud to know that NO CAT will EVER leave my property and ever become a problem for any other living thing on earth ever again. If only everyone could make that promise and be that responsible with the world they inhabit, we wouldn’t even be having these discussions.

Nature_Advocate11:11 pm 29 Aug 12

Evil_Kitten said :

Cat parasite hijacks the human mind? You’ve hijacked my mind with your stupid.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GO AWAY.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and humming a tune so you can try to regain that bliss of self-inflicted ignorance, that comforting bliss within which you wallow all your life, will not make T. gondii leave an infested brain. Once you contract this cats’ parasite it is with you for life, with no known cure. (Capable of killing you at any time throughout your life should you have to undergo chemotherapy, take anti-rejection drugs for a skin-graft or transplant, contract HIV, or otherwise deal with an impaired immune system at any time in your life. Then out T. gondii comes from your brain — to kill you.)

Even more interestingly, they found that women infected with T. gondii are 1.5X more likely to commit suicide. But the interesting thing is that they choose a more graphic and painful way to die. No peacefully falling asleep from a drug-overdose for a T. gondii infected woman. No siree! They want to jump off a bridge or slash a decent artery if they have T. gondii parasites in their brains.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/03/are-cat-ladies-more-likely-to-attempt-suicide/

Another interesting finding, the same way this parasite hijacks rodents’ minds to be attracted to cat-urine, it works the same way in humans. There is some evidence to suggest that the popularity and history of Chanel No. 5 perfume in France may be due to putting cat pheromones in that rendition of this scent. The French population having one of the higher rates of T. gondii infection.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/07/chanel_no_5_a_brain_parasite_may_be_the_secret_to_the_famous_perfume_.single.html

It is now suspected this is why cat-hoarders act as they do. A real-life reason for “The Crazy Cat Lady” — a brain parasite makes them that way. And why a whole neighborhood can smell their cat-urine-drenched house a block away, but the cat hoarder notices no smell at all. This goes far far beyond simply getting used to a common odor in one’s environment. The T. gondii parasite in their minds have hijacked them so completely.

Is that you?

Oooops … better poke your eyes out now so you can remain blissfully ignorant and never have to read nor see anything that might contradict what you’ve already presumed about your small world.

It’s obvious that the “nature advocate” person has a mental illness – hopefully their access to guns and poison is just a figment of their imagination.

Cat parasite hijacks the human mind? You’ve hijacked my mind with your stupid.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GO AWAY.

Nature_Advocate7:02 pm 29 Aug 12

Jim Jones said :

You don’t understand Toxoplasma gondii at all. Even a basic wikipedia search deflates the nonsense you’re spewing here.

As for guns and shooting. Personally, I’d much rather open season on nutsack gun-loving, trigger-happy loonies than cats: it’s pretty obvious which is more dangerous.

This just goes to prove again what I’ve suspected all along … the Toxoplasma gondii parasites in cat-lovers brains won’t let them think nor reason beyond wanting to ensure the proliferation of more T. gondii parasites throughout the whole food-chain and into more humans, by spreading their genetically-engineered, nature-destroying, INVASIVE-SPECIES cats even further. Even if they have to harm or murder humans that stand in their way. They are being controlled against all common-sense and reason by the cats’ parasites that have taken over their minds.

Get tested for T. gondii if you are defending these invasive-species cats’ lives. You’re most likely obeying cats’ parasites in your brain now. You can no longer think nor reason like a human anymore, ignoring all logic and common-sense. Your thoughts demoted to that of parasitic protozoan awareness, where only its base biochemical survival matters, without concern nor regard for anything else in its environment. (Sounds just like every cat-lover, doesn’t it.) Though either way, even if you are not infected by this cat-parasite and still feel that it’s better to harm a human than a cat, seek professional help before you act on these blatantly clear psychopathic and sociopathic thoughts and values of yours.

For just a few of the links on studies of how this cats’-parasite hijacks the human (or any animal’s) mind:

“How Your Cat Is Making You Crazy”
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/how-your-cat-is-making-you-crazy/8873/

“Toxoplasmosis and psychology: A game of cat and mouse”
http://www.economist.com/node/16271339

“Crazy Cat Love: Caused By Parasitic Infection?”
healthland.time.com/2011/08/18/crazy-cat-love-caused-by-parasitic-infection/

“Research Links Parasite In Cats To Mental Illnesses”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127955946

JazzyJess said :

RSPCA_Comms said :

JazzyJess said :

My understanding is that the ACT Government funds the RSPCA to administer ‘cat control’ measures on its behalf. Ergo the RSPCA should be assisting the building owner to sort this problem out. As I posted on a similar thread both of these organisations are quick to point to the other when you ask for help in dealing with stray or feral cats.

RSPCA ACT does not receive any direct funding for cat management from the ACT government. We receive a contribution from the ACT government which is utilised to partially fund our work with wildlife, stray dogs, and our Inspectorate.

RSPCA ACT is the only facility in Canberra to care for stray, lost, orphaned, unwanted or feral cats. The ACT government has no facility to care for cats. Our recent budget application for dedicated funding for stray and feral cat management was denied.

We are aware of a number of feral cat colonies in the ACT, and are happy to provide advice to building managers or residents who have concerns about cats in their area. We do not however have the resources to manage cat populations above and beyond the work that we already do with cats.

Our CEO is part of a committee created by the ACT government that is seeking to address cat management issues in Canberra.

RSPCA advocates desexing of all cats, which is legally required in the ACT, as a first step to managing cat populations. Managing feral cats is a complex issue, and simply removing a colony will not stop new cats from moving into an area.

The knowledgebase hosted on our national website lists a number of articles about cat management http://www.rspca.org.au/

We appreciate the support of the Canberra community in the work that we do with cats, for the welfare of cats and native animals alike.

Regards,

RSPCA ACT

My mistake. Thanks for the info.

Thanks JazzyJess. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify where our funding comes from.

RSPCA is always happy to answer questions about our work and our funding. Please feel free to contact rspca@rspca-act.org.au

You don’t understand Toxoplasma gondii at all. Even a basic wikipedia search deflates the nonsense you’re spewing here.

As for guns and shooting. Personally, I’d much rather open season on nutsack gun-loving, trigger-happy loonies than cats: it’s pretty obvious which is more dangerous.

p1 said :

Nature_Advocate said :

……….

Do you realize this is a site specific to Canberra, Australia? While the problem of feral cats and the destruction of native wildlife might be common here and in the states, pretty much every single thing you have said is incorrect in the local context. Following you advice (regardless of opinion on cats right to life) will most likely get a local in serious trouble with the law and in public opinion.

This.

Also, I’m curious as to what a cat and/or “cat lover” did to you in a past life that made you feel the need to spew your vitriol over everything cat related. Seek some help, please.

Nature_Advocate said :

……….

Do you realize this is a site specific to Canberra, Australia? While the problem of feral cats and the destruction of native wildlife might be common here and in the states, pretty much every single thing you have said is incorrect in the local context. Following you advice (regardless of opinion on cats right to life) will most likely get a local in serious trouble with the law and in public opinion.

Nature_Advocate11:12 pm 28 Aug 12

kakosi said :

You need serious counselling and perhaps even arresting? A person who’s willing to shoot or poison animals for what seems to be the fun of it or to prove some weird point, has problems. What a pity our society has people like you in it.

You might also enjoy knowing …

If you advocate for cats as rodent-control on farms and ranches you’ve already doomed them to being destroyed by drowning or shooting when it becomes a financial liability more than any asset. Ranchers and farmers worldwide are fully aware that cats’ Toxoplasma gondii parasite can cause the very same birth defects (hydrocephaly and microcephaly), still-births, and miscarriages in their livestock and important wildlife as it can in pregnant women. Consequently, this is also how this cats’ brain-parasite gets into your meats and onto your dinner-tables, from herbivores ingesting this cat-parasites’ oocysts in the soils, transferred to the plants and grains that they eat. Not even washing your hands in bleach will destroy this parasites’ oocysts if you have contracted it from your garden or yard that a cat has defecated in.

This is why any cats are ROUTINELY destroyed around gestating livestock and wildlife management areas in the most efficient, humane, and least expensive method available. Common rural practice everywhere. The risk of financial loss from dead livestock and important native wildlife from an invasive species cat is far too great to do otherwise. This cats’ parasite is now even killing off rare marine mammals along all coastal regions from run-off containing this cat-parasites’ oocysts.

The next time you bite into that whole-grain veggie-muffin or McBurger, you need to just envision biting down on a shot-dead or drowned kitten or cat. For that’s precisely how that food supply got to your mouth — whether you want to face up to it or not. It’s not going to change reality no matter how much you twist your mind away from the truth of your world.

If you want to blame someone for the drowning and shooting of cats, you need to prosecute yourself — every time you eat.

Nature_Advocate11:10 pm 28 Aug 12

kakosi said :

You need serious counselling and perhaps even arresting? A person who’s willing to shoot or poison animals for what seems to be the fun of it or to prove some weird point, has problems. What a pity our society has people like you in it.

The law in the USA is that it is perfectly legal to destroy any animal, someone’s pet or not, that is threatening the health, well-being, and safety of yourself, your family, your animals, or even your property. Also true even in most densely populated cities, firearms laws permitting, if not then 700-1200fps air-rifles are commonly used. The only animals exempt from you taking immediate action, legally, are those listed on endangered or threatened species lists, and any bird species under protection of MBTA (the Migratory Bird Treaty Act). Even then variances can be given should there be sufficient problem but this requires further study by authorities. Since cats are listed in the TOP 40 WORST invasive species of the world in the “Global Invasive Species Database” ( http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?si=24&fr=1&sts=sss ), this means they have no protection whatsoever from being shot on sight, they are not on any protected species list anywhere in the world. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. And if your area enforces and obeys invasive species laws — as they should — then it is against the law to NOT destroy any cat on sight, someone’s pet or not. It is your civic and moral responsibility to destroy any invasive species that is found away from supervised confinement and roaming freely in a non-native habitat.

Shoot to maim is punishable under the laws that define animal-cruelty (these are the ONLY cases that cat-lovers cite to try to manipulate and scare everyone from shooting their only favorite animal). But shoot to kill is a perfectly legal way to humanely destroy an animal. The same laws and principles that apply to methods of humanely hunting animals also applies to cats. Unlike cat-lovers’ psychotic beliefs, the reality is that a cat is just another animal. It’s NOT their baby, their child, their offspring. Even if they do view their cats that way, letting them roam free is no less criminally irresponsible than them telling their child to go play in the freeway and then blaming the cars for their child’s death. If they let their cat roam free, NO MATTER HOW IT DIES, that is THEIR fault and they can be charged with all laws that clearly define animal-neglect, animal-abandonment, and animal-endangerment. Not to mention being in direct violation of all international invasive species laws in existence.

In fact, here’s a publication from a study done by the University of Nebraska on the best ways to HUMANELY deal with a feral-cat problem wherever you live. This documentation INCLUDES the best firearms, ammo, and air-rifles required to HUMANELY destroy cats. deenawinter.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ec1781.pdf

Besides, what difference does it make if the cat gets shot or ran over by a car, attacked by another cat or animal, drowned, or poisoned by plants animals or chemicals (inexpensive 1-adult-strength generic acetaminophen pain-relievers gaining in popularity, for being so species specific). The result is the same. The cause is the same — the fault of the criminally irresponsible pet-owner that let their invasive species pet roam free. They’ve already proved that their animal is 100% expendable. You can either destroy their cat for them humanely, or let their lack of care cause it to inevitably die inhumanely. They don’t care one bit how their cat might cruelly suffer to death if they let it roam free. Humanely destroy their cat for them before that can happen. A well aimed bullet is the MOST humane death that ANY stray or feral cat can ever look forward to. Any other death that they WILL eventually face is all inhumanely downhill from there.

Nature_Advocate said :

Licensing and laws do nothing to curb the problem. If cats are required to be licensed then cat-lovers just stop putting collars on their cats, as they did by me. And they won’t even bother getting them micro-chipped, especially not that They want absolutely nothing that can hold them legally responsible, liable, and accountable for the actions of their cats. It’s why many of them even keep cats in the first place. We’re not talking about the topmost responsible citizens of the world, you know. They don’t want that responsibility of what their cat has done coming back on them. If they had even one iota of a sense of responsibility and respect for all other lives on this planet we wouldn’t even be having these discussions.

On the other hand, I found something that DOES work, and works well, and works fast (well, relative to the years it takes trying to reason with deceitful and lying cat-lovers that accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING). Where I live cat-lovers have learned that _ALL_ cats, stray and feral, collared or not, ear-tipped or not (because TNR con-artist liars now just clip cats’ ears only without sterilizing or vaccinating them, to protect their hoarded cats from being trapped and euthanized), _ALL_ their cats are humanely shot on sight and buried whenever found away from supervised confinement.

The ONLY thing that works is destroying any of their cats found outdoors on your property. They either learn to stop getting more cats that die under the wheels of cars or from animal attacks, or they finally learn how to be a responsible pet owner, respectful neighbor, and learn to keep their invasive species animal under confined supervision, as it should be. Win win win all around. You can either destroy their cat for them humanely, or let their lack of concern for their cat cause it to die inhumanely. Your choice. By destroying their cat for them humanely you are showing them that you care more about their cat than even they do. A bullet is by far the most humane death that any free-roaming cat will ever meet. Anything else is all inhumanely downhill from there. Their only other options are being hit by cars, environmental poisons, cat & animal attacks, disease and parasites, freezing to death, baking to death, etc.

You can’t train a cat to stay home but I found that, in time, you CAN train a cat-owner into being a responsible pet-owner and a respectable neighbor. Most of them are so phenomenally stupid, disrespectful, and criminally irresponsible though that you have to make at least 12-15 of their cats permanently disappear before they even start to figure out what they’ve been doing wrong all during their sorry, useless, and pathetic lives.

If you live in an area where its not legal to use firearms to destroy any animal that is threatening the health and safety of you, your family, your animals, or property (as it *IS* legal in most every area of the nation); then check into laws regarding air-rifles. Ones with ballistics speeds of 700-1200 fps and using pointed vermin-pellets are often advised for use on vermin in no-firearms zones. Many of the newer ones even come with their own sound-suppressor designs built-in, being specifically designed for shooting vermin cats in urban areas, the demand is that great. Failing that, then there’s always the SSS and TDSS Cat Management Programs that are exploding in popularity worldwide. Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-Up; or Trap, Drown, Shovel, & Shut-Up. Both methods are legal on every square foot of this earth. No local laws were violated if it never happened! (In cases where cats have already learned to evade all trapping methods, then inexpensive generic 1-adult-strength acetaminophen (overseas a.k.a. paracetamol) pain-relievers are a more species specific vermin poison. But you really need to retrieve and dispose of that carcass safely so that native wildlife won’t die from the many deadly diseases cats spread even after their death.)

Good luck!

You need serious counselling and perhaps even arresting? A person who’s willing to shoot or poison animals for what seems to be the fun of it or to prove some weird point, has problems. What a pity our society has people like you in it.

Nature_Advocate11:29 am 28 Aug 12

Licensing and laws do nothing to curb the problem. If cats are required to be licensed then cat-lovers just stop putting collars on their cats, as they did by me. And they won’t even bother getting them micro-chipped, especially not that They want absolutely nothing that can hold them legally responsible, liable, and accountable for the actions of their cats. It’s why many of them even keep cats in the first place. We’re not talking about the topmost responsible citizens of the world, you know. They don’t want that responsibility of what their cat has done coming back on them. If they had even one iota of a sense of responsibility and respect for all other lives on this planet we wouldn’t even be having these discussions.

On the other hand, I found something that DOES work, and works well, and works fast (well, relative to the years it takes trying to reason with deceitful and lying cat-lovers that accomplishes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING). Where I live cat-lovers have learned that _ALL_ cats, stray and feral, collared or not, ear-tipped or not (because TNR con-artist liars now just clip cats’ ears only without sterilizing or vaccinating them, to protect their hoarded cats from being trapped and euthanized), _ALL_ their cats are humanely shot on sight and buried whenever found away from supervised confinement.

The ONLY thing that works is destroying any of their cats found outdoors on your property. They either learn to stop getting more cats that die under the wheels of cars or from animal attacks, or they finally learn how to be a responsible pet owner, respectful neighbor, and learn to keep their invasive species animal under confined supervision, as it should be. Win win win all around. You can either destroy their cat for them humanely, or let their lack of concern for their cat cause it to die inhumanely. Your choice. By destroying their cat for them humanely you are showing them that you care more about their cat than even they do. A bullet is by far the most humane death that any free-roaming cat will ever meet. Anything else is all inhumanely downhill from there. Their only other options are being hit by cars, environmental poisons, cat & animal attacks, disease and parasites, freezing to death, baking to death, etc.

You can’t train a cat to stay home but I found that, in time, you CAN train a cat-owner into being a responsible pet-owner and a respectable neighbor. Most of them are so phenomenally stupid, disrespectful, and criminally irresponsible though that you have to make at least 12-15 of their cats permanently disappear before they even start to figure out what they’ve been doing wrong all during their sorry, useless, and pathetic lives.

If you live in an area where its not legal to use firearms to destroy any animal that is threatening the health and safety of you, your family, your animals, or property (as it *IS* legal in most every area of the nation); then check into laws regarding air-rifles. Ones with ballistics speeds of 700-1200 fps and using pointed vermin-pellets are often advised for use on vermin in no-firearms zones. Many of the newer ones even come with their own sound-suppressor designs built-in, being specifically designed for shooting vermin cats in urban areas, the demand is that great. Failing that, then there’s always the SSS and TDSS Cat Management Programs that are exploding in popularity worldwide. Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-Up; or Trap, Drown, Shovel, & Shut-Up. Both methods are legal on every square foot of this earth. No local laws were violated if it never happened! (In cases where cats have already learned to evade all trapping methods, then inexpensive generic 1-adult-strength acetaminophen (overseas a.k.a. paracetamol) pain-relievers are a more species specific vermin poison. But you really need to retrieve and dispose of that carcass safely so that native wildlife won’t die from the many deadly diseases cats spread even after their death.)

Good luck!

RSPCA_Comms said :

JazzyJess said :

My understanding is that the ACT Government funds the RSPCA to administer ‘cat control’ measures on its behalf. Ergo the RSPCA should be assisting the building owner to sort this problem out. As I posted on a similar thread both of these organisations are quick to point to the other when you ask for help in dealing with stray or feral cats.

RSPCA ACT does not receive any direct funding for cat management from the ACT government. We receive a contribution from the ACT government which is utilised to partially fund our work with wildlife, stray dogs, and our Inspectorate.

RSPCA ACT is the only facility in Canberra to care for stray, lost, orphaned, unwanted or feral cats. The ACT government has no facility to care for cats. Our recent budget application for dedicated funding for stray and feral cat management was denied.

We are aware of a number of feral cat colonies in the ACT, and are happy to provide advice to building managers or residents who have concerns about cats in their area. We do not however have the resources to manage cat populations above and beyond the work that we already do with cats.

Our CEO is part of a committee created by the ACT government that is seeking to address cat management issues in Canberra.

RSPCA advocates desexing of all cats, which is legally required in the ACT, as a first step to managing cat populations. Managing feral cats is a complex issue, and simply removing a colony will not stop new cats from moving into an area.

The knowledgebase hosted on our national website lists a number of articles about cat management http://www.rspca.org.au/

We appreciate the support of the Canberra community in the work that we do with cats, for the welfare of cats and native animals alike.

Regards,

RSPCA ACT

My mistake. Thanks for the info.

How_Canberran9:46 pm 27 Aug 12

bundah said :

How_Canberran said :

So a cull would do the trick? Undoubtedly the most humane option.

Perhaps we could get Caroline Le Coutier to champion this initiative for us?

Indeed that would be right up her alley and apparently she’s quite the marksman!

Caroline packing heat? Well, I never!

Get a grip, they’re probably also keeping the very very large rat population down…it is the centre of town not a wildlife reserve.

1337Hax0r said :

What, do you mean these cats? http://the-riotact.com/cats-in-the-drain/28165
What, are you kidding me? I’ve seen those cats ignore birds even when the birds were helping themselves to the cat food. I think if they were fed less they might go after the local wild life. Also, what wild life are you talking about? It is a park surrounded by streets. Not Bimberi wilderness or Namadgi National Park.
I’m sure th cats would think it is time to cull humans who breed too much, destroy wild life through deforestation, climate change, habitat destruction and farming animals to kill for food.
I ask you, if you think that the cats are so destructive, would you agree to euthanise yourself for destroying the environment to produce the metals in your house and car? For killing trees for the wood in your home? For polluting the atmosphere to generate the electricity you use? For killing all the animals that end up in your tummy?
Bah, bloody pathetic that one of the most destructive animals on Earth should begrudge a few other carnivores.
If you want to make a real difference, go get yourself desexed first.

Now THAT was a rant 🙂

How_Canberran said :

So a cull would do the trick? Undoubtedly the most humane option.

Perhaps we could get Caroline Le Coutier to champion this initiative for us?

Indeed that would be right up her alley and apparently she’s quite the marksman!

How_Canberran7:19 pm 27 Aug 12

So a cull would do the trick? Undoubtedly the most humane option.

Perhaps we could get Caroline Le Coutier to champion this initiative for us?

JazzyJess said :

My understanding is that the ACT Government funds the RSPCA to administer ‘cat control’ measures on its behalf. Ergo the RSPCA should be assisting the building owner to sort this problem out. As I posted on a similar thread both of these organisations are quick to point to the other when you ask for help in dealing with stray or feral cats.

RSPCA ACT does not receive any direct funding for cat management from the ACT government. We receive a contribution from the ACT government which is utilised to partially fund our work with wildlife, stray dogs, and our Inspectorate.

RSPCA ACT is the only facility in Canberra to care for stray, lost, orphaned, unwanted or feral cats. The ACT government has no facility to care for cats. Our recent budget application for dedicated funding for stray and feral cat management was denied.

We are aware of a number of feral cat colonies in the ACT, and are happy to provide advice to building managers or residents who have concerns about cats in their area. We do not however have the resources to manage cat populations above and beyond the work that we already do with cats.

Our CEO is part of a committee created by the ACT government that is seeking to address cat management issues in Canberra.

RSPCA advocates desexing of all cats, which is legally required in the ACT, as a first step to managing cat populations. Managing feral cats is a complex issue, and simply removing a colony will not stop new cats from moving into an area.

The knowledgebase hosted on our national website lists a number of articles about cat management http://www.rspca.org.au/

We appreciate the support of the Canberra community in the work that we do with cats, for the welfare of cats and native animals alike.

Regards,

RSPCA ACT

What, do you mean these cats? http://the-riotact.com/cats-in-the-drain/28165
What, are you kidding me? I’ve seen those cats ignore birds even when the birds were helping themselves to the cat food. I think if they were fed less they might go after the local wild life. Also, what wild life are you talking about? It is a park surrounded by streets. Not Bimberi wilderness or Namadgi National Park.
I’m sure th cats would think it is time to cull humans who breed too much, destroy wild life through deforestation, climate change, habitat destruction and farming animals to kill for food.
I ask you, if you think that the cats are so destructive, would you agree to euthanise yourself for destroying the environment to produce the metals in your house and car? For killing trees for the wood in your home? For polluting the atmosphere to generate the electricity you use? For killing all the animals that end up in your tummy?
Bah, bloody pathetic that one of the most destructive animals on Earth should begrudge a few other carnivores.
If you want to make a real difference, go get yourself desexed first.

poetix said :

There are already quite a few feral cats in Chisholm. Funny thing is, they think they are special, pedigreed cats, and will fight bitterly to keep things for themselves. It’s really quite a sight! And the horrible noise can be heard all over Canberra.

I would say, send them to Chisholm anyway, but I’m afraid they might catch something intolerable. Or at least intolerant.

So a cull would do the trick? Undoubtedly the most humane option.

There are already quite a few feral cats in Chisholm. Funny thing is, they think they are special, pedigreed cats, and will fight bitterly to keep things for themselves. It’s really quite a sight! And the horrible noise can be heard all over Canberra.

I would say, send them to Chisholm anyway, but I’m afraid they might catch something intolerable. Or at least intolerant.

Henry82 said :

a .22 bullet would solve the problem, quick and humane.

You, HenryBG and CaptainRAAF should get together and polish each others rifles.

I’ll have a long shot at this…

OP is NOT a cat person?

a .22 bullet would solve the problem, quick and humane.

LumpySpacePrincess4:05 pm 27 Aug 12

sarahsarah said :

Well, one could argue that a hungry cat is more likely to chase birds for a meal then one with a full belly, no?

Flossie has it right. No one (DAS or RSPCA) seems capable of doing anything for those poor buggers.

I think that’s a very valid point. Alrhough I think instinct and the game of the hunt would still have them hunting, but certainly not as much as a starved cat would.

In my last house, we had a few local feral cats that would use the shelter of our deck to have their kittens. Because it was so low to the ground we couldn’t get to them. We called around and apparently no one could help us.

We had cats at that house, both desexed and lived indoors.

It’s definitely a serious issue that someone needs to act on, but it must be humane. After all, it’s ‘our’ fault they’re out their, not theirs.

those Woden drain cats have been there for at least 10 years and haven’t increased in population at that time. Well, maybe they have for a little while each kitten season, but fights and floods probably take a lot of natural selection into account as well. I think a few end up at Adelaide every time it rains.

But there are no more there now than there were 5 years ago. One rosella, leftover kids’ lunches and probably a hell of a lot of rats at Phillip College, the Hell Club bins and the bogan bus interchange.

I go past there pretty much each day and rarely see feather leftovers.

How_Canberran3:05 pm 27 Aug 12

Who in their right mind would want to tackle this issue and run the Canberran bleeding heart gauntlet? Cute little blue-eyed kittens are up there with helpless joeys.

Addressing this issue will never get off the ground. The situation could be ‘monitored’ by a Registrar of ACT Feral Cats undertaking an annual head-count.

Myles Peterson2:50 pm 27 Aug 12

Are they related to the nearby Woden drain-cats?

We scored a black one from the RSPCA. She beats up any cat that comes in range, attacks small children, steals food from the neighbourhood pets (leading to chronic obesity), frequently trips us by running through legs, pisses on the floor and occasionally glitches the Matrix.

Only saving grace, shows no interest what-so-ever in wildlife. So she gets to stay.

Well, one could argue that a hungry cat is more likely to chase birds for a meal then one with a full belly, no?

Flossie has it right. No one (DAS or RSPCA) seems capable of doing anything for those poor buggers.

My understanding is that the ACT Government funds the RSPCA to administer ‘cat control’ measures on its behalf. Ergo the RSPCA should be assisting the building owner to sort this problem out. As I posted on a similar thread both of these organisations are quick to point to the other when you ask for help in dealing with stray or feral cats.

Flossie said :

I can hardly even type the words: Perhaps humane euthanasia is, horrifically, the answer.

I would hardly say it’s horrific. Given the choice between the survival of feral cats or the native fauna, I’d choose the natives every time.

Flossie said :

I can hardly even type the words: Perhaps humane euthanasia is, horrifically, the answer.

Sadly, without both a concerted effort to eliminate the whole population within their range (what is the home range of a previously domestic cat?), AND every cat owner in the city doing the right thing (de-sexing), even euthanizing them will only help the wild life for a few months.

Ummm have you reported this to Property Group?

I tried to get help with cats and kittens up near Woden shop front a few years ago. RSPCA couldn’t help they advised animal control (ummm I forget what they are properly called). Animal control couldn’t help they suggested the RSPCA. Both organisations advised me not to set a trap up because of the personal liability issue. Every year there are new kittens in those drains, another generation of ferals.

I love cats. I regularly foster kittens and sometimes their mum, getting everyone desexed and microchipped before being rehomed. It pains me to see these feral cats, knowing they are killing wildlife and are themselves unlikely to reach what would be middle age to a domesticated cat. Where does the buck stop, what is the answer to our growing feral cat problem?

In the US they have trap-neuter-release programs, and these work quite well, especially in city areas where the cats serve as rat control. I do not really see that as a solution here due to the relatively fragile native fauna that will be on the menu for the feral but infertile cats.

I can hardly even type the words: Perhaps humane euthanasia is, horrifically, the answer.

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