Future land releases in Canberra?

justsomeaussie 6 August 2012 25

I’m looking to build/buy my family home around 2016 and am interested in what land releases might be available in that timeframe (2016-2018). I’ve been to the LDA website http://www.lda.act.gov.au but it really seems to be only focused on two years out. Does anyone know there is information on what long term planning there is for future releases.

The Googong site has been interesting but is starting to get quite a bit far out.

Any help anyone can provide is appreciated.


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VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 3:38 pm 06 Aug 12

chewy14 said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back,
I think the development of higher density dwellings along major transport corridors is adressing some of the things you’re talking about.

I’m not saying they’re necessarily good developments but Flemington Rd, Northbourne Ave, Athllon Dr and the new John Gorton Dr in Molonglo are increasing the housing density with easier access to Public transport which should help.

Good point.

chewy14 chewy14 3:28 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back,
I think the development of higher density dwellings along major transport corridors is adressing some of the things you’re talking about.

I’m not saying they’re necessarily good developments but Flemington Rd, Northbourne Ave, Athllon Dr and the new John Gorton Dr in Molonglo are increasing the housing density with easier access to Public transport which should help.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 3:20 pm 06 Aug 12

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Dunno, it’s just a idea. The question becomes whether we want to have a more dense inner city with fewer people commuting in, or not at all, or a compromise of some sort (which is what we have now).

At the right price, pretty much everything can be for sale.

Of course.

But who’s going to foot the bill for paying over the odds so that large numbers willingly sell their homes? The developers (ie. future buyers) or the government (ie. the taxpayer).

Yet, you have the temerity to laugh at what is currently being done. I’m not saying I disagree with your criticisms (some I do, some I don’t), but at least have an alternate plan that is better than if you throw them enough money inner north residents will sell up allowing the developers in to fill the sky with high-rise.

There will always be a compromise.

I’m laughing at what is currently being done because it is a crap solution that leads to crap outcomes. Building expensive, low quality housing (which is what small and expensive blocks leads to) is not a winning solution in the longer term.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 3:19 pm 06 Aug 12

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

And all those two-on-one block and small unit developments scattered through the suburb? Hardly proper redevelopment.

Is anybody claiming dual occupancy is proper redevelopment? It’s a small part of a wider solution.

I think it’s more an issue of ‘where’…

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 3:14 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Dunno, it’s just a idea. The question becomes whether we want to have a more dense inner city with fewer people commuting in, or not at all, or a compromise of some sort (which is what we have now).

At the right price, pretty much everything can be for sale.

Of course.

But who’s going to foot the bill for paying over the odds so that large numbers willingly sell their homes? The developers (ie. future buyers) or the government (ie. the taxpayer).

Yet, you have the temerity to laugh at what is currently being done. I’m not saying I disagree with your criticisms (some I do, some I don’t), but at least have an alternate plan that is better than if you throw them enough money inner north residents will sell up allowing the developers in to fill the sky with high-rise.

There will always be a compromise.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 3:05 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

And all those two-on-one block and small unit developments scattered through the suburb? Hardly proper redevelopment.

Is anybody claiming dual occupancy is proper redevelopment? It’s a small part of a wider solution.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 2:56 pm 06 Aug 12

dtc said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Convert the really inner city areas to unit and apartment living only for a start. There’s heaps of demand to live in these areas, so increasing supply will meet a defined need and reduce pressure elsewhere. Shared greensdpace is the way to go here..

Yes, apart from the fact that the inner north is owned by people who may not want to sell. Or are you suggesting compulsory acquisition?

Dunno, it’s just a idea. The question becomes whether we want to have a more dense inner city with fewer people commuting in, or not at all, or a compromise of some sort (which is what we have now).

At the right price, pretty much everything can be for sale.

dtc dtc 2:49 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Convert the really inner city areas to unit and apartment living only for a start. There’s heaps of demand to live in these areas, so increasing supply will meet a defined need and reduce pressure elsewhere. Shared greensdpace is the way to go here..

Yes, apart from the fact that the inner north is owned by people who may not want to sell. Or are you suggesting compulsory acquisition?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 2:42 pm 06 Aug 12

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Convert the really inner city areas to unit and apartment living only for a start. There’s heaps of demand to live in these areas, so increasing supply will meet a defined need and reduce pressure elsewhere. Shared greensdpace is the way to go here.

Erm, where have you been for the last 10-15 years? Haven’t managed to notice the numerous medium-high density development that’s gone on unabated?

Hilarious. You mean the non-planned, build whatever you can fit on a block as long as it’s under 3 stories crapola that plagues the inner north?

No, properly considered development.

There’s numerous projects above three storeys along Northbourne Ave and in Braddon, to use your inner north example.

As well, you may have heard of New Acton and the Kingston foreshore. There’s also plans to develop the corner of Anzac Pde and Constitution Ave in Campbell.

Although, I’m not going to state categorically that those or any similar projects are well planned. 😛

Regardless, it’s clear your call to develop the inner suburbs is being addressed.

And all those two-on-one block and small unit developments scattered through the suburb? Hardly proper redevelopment.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 2:41 pm 06 Aug 12

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

More suburbs filled with tiny blocks, narrow streets, poor access and no mature trees, at sky high prices. Yay.

Mature trees, depending on the species, can take as little as 5-7 years to begin making a worthwhile impact on the landscape. And chances are the suburb you live in right now was once a bland treeless landscape too.

Look at photos of inner Canberra 50-odd years ago.

Where I live has always been well treed, and there are still several large trees on my block which are over 20 metres tall.

Utopia?

Queanbeyan, but pretty close!

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 2:25 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Convert the really inner city areas to unit and apartment living only for a start. There’s heaps of demand to live in these areas, so increasing supply will meet a defined need and reduce pressure elsewhere. Shared greensdpace is the way to go here.

Erm, where have you been for the last 10-15 years? Haven’t managed to notice the numerous medium-high density development that’s gone on unabated?

Hilarious. You mean the non-planned, build whatever you can fit on a block as long as it’s under 3 stories crapola that plagues the inner north?

No, properly considered development.

There’s numerous projects above three storeys along Northbourne Ave and in Braddon, to use your inner north example.

As well, you may have heard of New Acton and the Kingston foreshore. There’s also plans to develop the corner of Anzac Pde and Constitution Ave in Campbell.

Although, I’m not going to state categorically that those or any similar projects are well planned. 😛

Regardless, it’s clear your call to develop the inner suburbs is being addressed.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 2:19 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

More suburbs filled with tiny blocks, narrow streets, poor access and no mature trees, at sky high prices. Yay.

Mature trees, depending on the species, can take as little as 5-7 years to begin making a worthwhile impact on the landscape. And chances are the suburb you live in right now was once a bland treeless landscape too.

Look at photos of inner Canberra 50-odd years ago.

Where I live has always been well treed, and there are still several large trees on my block which are over 20 metres tall.

Utopia?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 2:13 pm 06 Aug 12

ToastFliesRED said :

There has been talk of developments at Tralee http://the-riotact.com/queanbeyan-wants-tralee/50787 as well as cheaper accommodation at EPIC http://the-riotact.com/14-hectares-of-caravan-park-at-epic/75670 but if you buy there you’re not allowed to complain about the noise because you have been warned (buyer beware)

Tralee won’t go ahead for a while at least, as Googong is now full steam ahead. Googong looks pretty good, but the location is an issue.

ToastFliesRED ToastFliesRED 2:07 pm 06 Aug 12

There has been talk of developments at Tralee http://the-riotact.com/queanbeyan-wants-tralee/50787 as well as cheaper accommodation at EPIC http://the-riotact.com/14-hectares-of-caravan-park-at-epic/75670 but if you buy there you’re not allowed to complain about the noise because you have been warned (buyer beware)

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 12:57 pm 06 Aug 12

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

More suburbs filled with tiny blocks, narrow streets, poor access and no mature trees, at sky high prices. Yay.

Mature trees, depending on the species, can take as little as 5-7 years to begin making a worthwhile impact on the landscape. And chances are the suburb you live in right now was once a bland treeless landscape too.

Look at photos of inner Canberra 50-odd years ago.

Where I live has always been well treed, and there are still several large trees on my block which are over 20 metres tall.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 12:56 pm 06 Aug 12

Holden Caulfield said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Convert the really inner city areas to unit and apartment living only for a start. There’s heaps of demand to live in these areas, so increasing supply will meet a defined need and reduce pressure elsewhere. Shared greensdpace is the way to go here.

Erm, where have you been for the last 10-15 years? Haven’t managed to notice the numerous medium-high density development that’s gone on unabated?

Hilarious. You mean the non-planned, build whatever you can fit on a block as long as it’s under 3 stories crapola that plagues the inner north?

No, properly considered development.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 12:50 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Convert the really inner city areas to unit and apartment living only for a start. There’s heaps of demand to live in these areas, so increasing supply will meet a defined need and reduce pressure elsewhere. Shared greensdpace is the way to go here.

Erm, where have you been for the last 10-15 years? Haven’t managed to notice the numerous medium-high density development that’s gone on unabated?

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 12:47 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

More suburbs filled with tiny blocks, narrow streets, poor access and no mature trees, at sky high prices. Yay.

Mature trees, depending on the species, can take as little as 5-7 years to begin making a worthwhile impact on the landscape. And chances are the suburb you live in right now was once a bland treeless landscape too.

Look at photos of inner Canberra 50-odd years ago.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 12:35 pm 06 Aug 12

Watson said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

More suburbs filled with tiny blocks, narrow streets, poor access and no mature trees, at sky high prices. Yay.

Tiny blocks, yes in comparison with blocks in the old suburbs. But I cannot see how you are going to get around that unless you really want the urban sprawl to join with Cooma soon?

And the other negatives you mention do not apply to all new developments.

Except for the sky high prices but that’s no different than anywhere else in Canberra.

It’s easy to criticise, but I would love to hear your alternative strategy to tackle land and housing supply.

Convert the really inner city areas to unit and apartment living only for a start. There’s heaps of demand to live in these areas, so increasing supply will meet a defined need and reduce pressure elsewhere. Shared greensdpace is the way to go here.

Change the way that new blocks are priced such that small blocks are relatively cheap but larger blocks cost quite a bit more, and set caveats around what can be built on each block type. In outer areas, costs can be reduced by requiring smaller dwellings, and this adds to the supply of affordable housing when people move on.

That will do for a start.

Watson Watson 12:00 pm 06 Aug 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

More suburbs filled with tiny blocks, narrow streets, poor access and no mature trees, at sky high prices. Yay.

Tiny blocks, yes in comparison with blocks in the old suburbs. But I cannot see how you are going to get around that unless you really want the urban sprawl to join with Cooma soon?

And the other negatives you mention do not apply to all new developments.

Except for the sky high prices but that’s no different than anywhere else in Canberra.

It’s easy to criticise, but I would love to hear your alternative strategy to tackle land and housing supply.

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