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Gungahlin Drive holdups?

By Mothy - 21 May 2013 27

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Anyone know what the deal is with Gungahlin Drive between Well Station Drive and Sandford Street citybound? There’s been a few mornings this week where its gotten to be like there is a bottleneck like there was when the GDE was one lane – only once you crawl to the lights at Sandford Street, there’s nothing.

Are those two sets of lights out of phase, or is there just that much traffic from Harrison/Franklin now flowing in at Well Station Drive that the lights at Sandford are just going to cause the morning bank-up either way?

Mothy

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Gungahlin Drive holdups?
rosscoact 6:17 pm 21 May 13

chewy14 said :

rosscoact said :

I went through there this morning and it too five light changes to get through the intersection. For the last two changes I was close enough to see that a couple of cars would come from the south and want to turn into Sandford Street. This would trip the lights and the two cars would cross almost immediately while 500* were waiting to go south.

Easy fix, hold the cars turning into mitchell for longer, when the flow of traffic is in the opposite direction. Not rocket science.

* made up number, not sure how many cars could fit in two lanes for a kilometre or so.

I can tell you that the turners into Mitchell must have simply got lucky, because they’re usually waiting for a couple of minutes.
And there’s also usually a hundred metres or so of cars trying to turn into Mitchell. Changing the lights even more would simply back up traffic further and create another dangerous situation for North bound traffic. Easy fix is to suck it up because the lights are as good as they’re going to get.

Easiest fix is to go a different way

chewy14 6:02 pm 21 May 13

rosscoact said :

I went through there this morning and it too five light changes to get through the intersection. For the last two changes I was close enough to see that a couple of cars would come from the south and want to turn into Sandford Street. This would trip the lights and the two cars would cross almost immediately while 500* were waiting to go south.

Easy fix, hold the cars turning into mitchell for longer, when the flow of traffic is in the opposite direction. Not rocket science.

* made up number, not sure how many cars could fit in two lanes for a kilometre or so.

I can tell you that the turners into Mitchell must have simply got lucky, because they’re usually waiting for a couple of minutes.
And there’s also usually a hundred metres or so of cars trying to turn into Mitchell. Changing the lights even more would simply back up traffic further and create another dangerous situation for North bound traffic. Easy fix is to suck it up because the lights are as good as they’re going to get.

rosscoact 3:57 pm 21 May 13

I went through there this morning and it too five light changes to get through the intersection. For the last two changes I was close enough to see that a couple of cars would come from the south and want to turn into Sandford Street. This would trip the lights and the two cars would cross almost immediately while 500* were waiting to go south.

Easy fix, hold the cars turning into mitchell for longer, when the flow of traffic is in the opposite direction. Not rocket science.

* made up number, not sure how many cars could fit in two lanes for a kilometre or so.

beardedclam 3:53 pm 21 May 13

Mothy said :

MangaGal said :

Perhaps we all should consider car-pooling? It’ll reduce the amount of traffic.

Considering the car contained me on the way to work in Bruce, my two year old going to daycare in Belconnen, and my wife and 8 month old going to Physi-kids at Jamison, unless you know a contortionist heading from Amaroo to the Belconnen area that doesn’t mind squeezing in between two car seats, I think we’re shit out of luck on that count.

Am wondering whether there are people doing the rat run of Well Station/Hoskins/Sandford when they see the bank up….

Yep, i used to live in Palmerston, I would cut across Well Station, turn right into Hoskins, left down Lysaght right at Flemington, left across the back of EPIC, turn right at the intersection near the youth detention centre, then right at the federal highway. Then I have the left, right, right, left manouvere through Watson and come out on Phillip Ave at the lights near the Information Technology place. Then at the end of Phillip Ave, at the round about it gets backed up, so right into Downer off Phillip, left, left and right onto Antill then left into Dickson.

Glad I didn’t have to go further

beardedclam 3:47 pm 21 May 13

Bosworth said :

Surely the cyclists are to blame somehow?

+1

AmarooStu 3:16 pm 21 May 13

Can I please make a suggestion…..pick up the phone, via CanberraConnect, and speak with the Roads ACT Team. They are a good bunch and are happy to hear your concerns.

I did this and they are somewhat restricted with the lights @ Sandford St. That is, how do you force people down to the next intersection at Wells Station Drive if they wish to get into Mitchell?

Ideally, they want the pedestrian crossing to be on the northern side of the intersection but civil engineering plans failed them (drainage). They can’t change it.

Agreed, roads in Gungahlin are hopeless and it’s only going to get worse with the increase in population.

Mothy 1:57 pm 21 May 13

MangaGal said :

Perhaps we all should consider car-pooling? It’ll reduce the amount of traffic.

Considering the car contained me on the way to work in Bruce, my two year old going to daycare in Belconnen, and my wife and 8 month old going to Physi-kids at Jamison, unless you know a contortionist heading from Amaroo to the Belconnen area that doesn’t mind squeezing in between two car seats, I think we’re shit out of luck on that count.

Am wondering whether there are people doing the rat run of Well Station/Hoskins/Sandford when they see the bank up….

Bosworth 12:35 pm 21 May 13

Surely the cyclists are to blame somehow?

Paul0075 12:32 pm 21 May 13

I use the Sandford St / Gungahlin Dr junction each day on my way to work.

I work in Mitchell, and come from the Barton Hwy. It usually takes 2 to 3 cycles of the signals to turn right as they don’t stay green long enough to clear the turn lanes there. The merge on Sandford St also creates a cross junction bottleneck as well.

I would prefer to use the Well Station Rd junction instead, but because parking is restricted on the southbound carriageway of Hoskins St, I would have to find a place to do a U-turn, so I can park on the unrestricted side of the street. The U-turn or a blocky, would mean I’d still contribute to traffic problems, as both require using the Sandford St & Hoskins St signals.

The roads in Gungahlin are still inadequate compared to other areas of the ACT and it seems no one in power is interested in making the flow work better. I think TAMS only like to intervene with traffic flow when they can make it as difficult as possible to get to work, such as using badly placed merging facilities, speed humps / cushions, and mis-timed / unsynchronised signals.

vaguely 12:06 pm 21 May 13

MangaGal said :

Perhaps we all should consider car-pooling? It’ll reduce the amount of traffic.

I do, it didn’t.

arescarti42 11:31 am 21 May 13

About 5 months ago I was commuting to Weston Creek on Friday mornings, and the lights at the Sandford street intersection were a bottleneck then.

I don’t recall the Mitchell bound traffic backing up at all, but the city bound traffic was backing up for about 1km, so they may need to adjust the lights (or maybe they don’t, I’m not a traffic engineer).

MangaGal 11:28 am 21 May 13

Perhaps we all should consider car-pooling? It’ll reduce the amount of traffic.

bd84 11:22 am 21 May 13

That’s the reason I stopped using the GDE in the morning. Traffic banks up turning into Mitchell at Sandford St, which causes short phasing of the lights going the other way and banks the traffic up past Well Station. It also entices the idiots of the world to to through the red light. I was going to Mitchell, I would use some common sense and turn at Well Station which has more capacity.

Another well planned intersection with no thought to future traffic levels when building it. They either need to lengthen the turning lane and double the lanes on Sandford st (removing the form 1 lane after the intersection) or add capacity on the GDE with a third lane from Well Station until the Barton Hwy. not holding my breath given they haven’t done anything useful in the area in years.

chewy14 11:05 am 21 May 13

Les Lozenger said :

Mothy – if you’re talking about the very same thing that frustrates me, it seems to be the northbound traffic turning from Gungahlin Drive on to Sandford St. Those lights seem to hold up the city bound arterial flow for what seems like an eternity.

Probably just like they seem to hold the Mitchell bound traffic for an eternity.

The lights can only do so much.

Les Lozenger 10:41 am 21 May 13

Mothy – if you’re talking about the very same thing that frustrates me, it seems to be the northbound traffic turning from Gungahlin Drive on to Sandford St. Those lights seem to hold up the city bound arterial flow for what seems like an eternity.

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