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Julian Assange protest comes to Canberra

johnboy 11 December 2010 48

Assange van [As seen in the Inner North]

Facebook brings word of a “Protest to Defend Wikileaks and Julian Assange – Canberra”, set to happen in Garema Place next Thursday.

Join the protests around Australia and the world to defend Assange and Wikileaks. The Canberra demo will be on Thursday the 16th of December – two days after Assange’s next court appearance.

Spread the word.

Briefly some thoughts on this:

    1. A lot of people are projecting their own fantasies onto Julian Assange.
    2. Almost nothing has been leaked that is news to anyone who was paying attention to the world in the first place.
    3. The actual leaker Bradley Manning is likely to die in prison making Julian Assange a hero for very little actual increase in public knowledge.
    4. Get a subscription to The Economist if you have been taken by surprise by wikileaks revelations and would like to keep up from here on in.
    5. Have a thought to your future security clearances if you start taking part in Assange protests, and remember you could get jail time for joining the “Anonymous” payback attacks.
    6. You’re a grown up, make up your own mind.

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UPDATE: The Register is now drawing attention to the fact that Bradley Manning’s defence fund has not had one red cent out of Wikileaks.


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jasmine 10:36 am 13 Dec 10

Wikileaks is an information sites – they do not seek out information and as such only publish information they are supplied. Assange’s hero status is probably not wanted by Wikileaks or him, other than to bring attention to the idea of information access.

Why is everyone so scared to be apprised of what actually happens behind closed doors – actions that are supposedley done on our behalf. When did democracy become so conditioned to what others decide for us and who arrogantly asserts what we should or should not know.

Much of what has been revealed thus far is stuff we already know through other media sources and from working and living in Canberra for umpteen years, many working in various departments.

Assange/Wikileaks should not be condemmed for doing exactly what every other media outlet does. In fact Wikileaks does not make comment or give an opinion – it is all out there for individuals to form their own conclusions.

Nothing criminal in that.

Mr Waffle 1:57 am 12 Dec 10

homeone said :

What I wonder about these are it seems unlikely that one person could download 250,000 documents one at a time. It seems to infer that the person had some sort of special access to SIPRNet (an IT person?).

The wikipedia entry for Bradley Manning, the person suspected of it, covers the details-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

“Manning was an intelligence analyst assigned to a support battalion with the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division at Contingency Operating Station Hammer, Iraq.

While stationed in Iraq, Manning had access to SIPRNET from his workstation, from where it is alleged the leaked documents originated.

According to chat logs, Manning brought in CD-RWs containing music, which were subsequently erased and rewritten with the leaked documents.”

And Skidbladnir helpfully explained why the system would allow such a thing, at the bottom of the first page.

Mr Evil 6:49 pm 11 Dec 10

I’m not so sure that Assange is the hero so many people make him out to be.

He lost the tiny, tiny amount of respect I had for him when he was unable to say whether all the names of people who’d assisted coalition forces had been removed in the Iraq and Afghanistan material that Wikileaks released earlier this year. It seemed to me that he was more interested in getting the information out as quickly as possible and getting himself in the news, rather than give a damn about what may happen if Al-Qaeda and/or the Taliban got hold of any of the named civilians.

As Jon Stewart basically said on the Daily Show: none of this material shocks America anymore – we’re talking about a nation whose Government sold weapons to Iran to fund a war in Latin America…..

homeone 4:11 pm 11 Dec 10

What I wonder about these are it seems unlikely that one person could download 250,000 documents one at a time. It seems to infer that the person had some sort of special access to SIPRNet (an IT person?).

Also it it seems to me that a great deal more than 250,000 documents would exist on the system so what were the selection criteria (and who decided on those).

I guess it all boils down to a piss poor decision to start with to make them available to so many US civil servants and military!

Not that much of the contents are surprising and a lot can be discounted as pure gossip and quite understandably exagarated. For example Mark Arbibe being a ‘confidential source’ – say you’re a low level State Department employee posted to a backwater then you’re probably going to call the guy who dumps the Chronicle on your lawn a ‘confidential source’ so you can find an excuse to send a cable to Washington.

vg 4:10 pm 11 Dec 10

My favourite arguments are thus:

The right to free speech – Absolute nonsense. Speech is not free. If it was we wouldn’t have things like libel and defamation law, freedom of information laws, or laws that cover secrecy of communications.

We live in a free country – No we do not. We live in a democracy. We have laws that legally confine our behaviour. If people who advocate this would like to live in a free country the nearest thing I can think of is Somalia. People seem to do pretty much what they like in a lot of that place. Try moving there.

Let’s see how the rape situation plays out in Sweden before we beatify Mr. Assange, or Mr. Ass Anger as he may be known if he ends up in the pokey

Pommy bastard 3:44 pm 11 Dec 10

Assagne has not been charged with rape. Both the “victims” in this bunch of trumped up hooey have admitted that sex was consensual.

Have you ever known such a thing as an interpol red notice being issued on such flimsy grounds?

The CIA is behind this, mark my words.

Skidbladnir 1:29 pm 11 Dec 10

pepmeup said :

If he is a rapist who cares about anything else he can never be a hero.

Rape never stopped Roman Polanski, the entertainment industry as a whole seems to be too proud of him to stop giving him awards, and Europe refused to hand him over to the US when they last tried to extradite him even though he fled there after admitting guilt and to avoid sentencing.
Why the international cooperation this time? Assange is the figurehead of an inconvenient group (but still a figurehead) that poses a threat.

I’m not saying Assange did or didn’t do what he’s accused of in Sweden, but the actors are dirty, there’s a lot of grandstanding from everybody involved (both alleged victims and offenders, but legal teams too), and a definite possibility of subsequent extradition showcase and trial media circus if the US decide to charge him too.

bigfeet 1:26 pm 11 Dec 10

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

There are no ‘rape’ allegations.

There are no doubts that the sex was consensual with both women.

But his condom broke. “Sex by surprise”.

Bizarre Swedish laws.

There is nothing bizarre about the law at all. If consent is granted conditional on use of a condom and that condition is not met, then there is no consent.

It would be Rape (sexual intercourse without consent) in any Australian state as well.

pepmeup 10:25 am 11 Dec 10

If he is a rapist who cares about anything else he can never be a hero.

I think we will get a huge number of ANU Arts students (read rent a crowd) turning up to the protest.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 10:21 am 11 Dec 10

dvaey said :

I-filed said :

I’m inclined to wait for the outcome of any Swedish rape trial before I come out in support of Assange.

I think there’s too much potential for trendoid rentacrowd business with this protest.

Amazing, 28 comments before someone even mentioned what the trial is about. This trial that Julian Assange is involved with at the moment has nothing to do with leaking US secret documents, and everything to do with 2 rape allegations against him by 2 separate women, one of who used to be his spokeswoman and who he lived with while in Europe. This isnt just some random stranger told to make up a story by the CIA.

If you want to defend his actions of leaking secret documents, thats all well and good, but dont be blind-sided that this court case (or protest) has to do with that. The protest will no doubt focus entirely on the wikileaks side of his life, and hardly at all on the rape allegations theyre claiming to be defending him from.

There are no ‘rape’ allegations.

There are no doubts that the sex was consensual with both women.

But his condom broke. “Sex by surprise”.

Bizarre Swedish laws.

CraigT 8:51 am 11 Dec 10

“The attack of WikiLeaks also ought to be a wake-up call for anyone who has rosy fantasies about whose side cloud computing providers are on. These are firms like Google, Flickr, Facebook, Myspace and Amazon which host your blog or store your data on their servers somewhere on the internet, or which enable you to rent “virtual” computers – again located somewhere on the net. The terms and conditions under which they provide both “free” and paid-for services will always give them grounds for dropping your content if they deem it in their interests to do so. The moral is that you should not put your faith in cloud computing – one day it will rain on your parade.”

Pommy bastard 8:04 am 11 Dec 10

So the footage of American soldiers gunning down unarmed civilians, including women and children, from a helicopter and laughing about it should not have been released?

It’s a sure sign of how low the US has slipped in the eyes of the world that Assagne is getting the amount of support which he is.

The leaks are also an indication of how much the US is prepared to meddle in other nations government for its own ends.

I see both good and bad in the leaks

Arbib is as much a leaker as Assagne, he should be tried..

dvaey 6:53 am 11 Dec 10

I-filed said :

I’m inclined to wait for the outcome of any Swedish rape trial before I come out in support of Assange.

I think there’s too much potential for trendoid rentacrowd business with this protest.

Amazing, 28 comments before someone even mentioned what the trial is about. This trial that Julian Assange is involved with at the moment has nothing to do with leaking US secret documents, and everything to do with 2 rape allegations against him by 2 separate women, one of who used to be his spokeswoman and who he lived with while in Europe. This isnt just some random stranger told to make up a story by the CIA.

If you want to defend his actions of leaking secret documents, thats all well and good, but dont be blind-sided that this court case (or protest) has to do with that. The protest will no doubt focus entirely on the wikileaks side of his life, and hardly at all on the rape allegations theyre claiming to be defending him from.

cleo 12:06 am 11 Dec 10

How did a private get access to diplomatic cables?
SIPRNet is a US Govt system of Secret (NOFORN) or higher level access that uses a Permit All Once Access Granted, Only Deny If Requested user access architecture in response to Sept 11’s “We had it on file but nobody knew about it” problems.
Manning abused that inherent flaw.

It has a user base of three million people, and evidently confidential diplomatic cables are also filed in it.Much to the frustration of people like Kevin07 and Arbib, since it meant they weren’t actually being treated as confidentially as they seemed to expect.

Julian, I just want to know if Alians are real!

Deano 10:33 pm 10 Dec 10

fozzy said :

2. The best summary I’ve seen of the whole discussion is that WikiLeaks is to Governments/Diplomacy/Statecraft what Napster began 10 years ago for the music and movie industries.

I thought a better comparison was that WikiLeaks is to Governments what Facebook is to the general public – neither respect the right to privacy.

Mr Waffle 9:52 pm 10 Dec 10

Thanks for that, Skidbladnir. That’s just… wow. 3 million people with access to that much content…

(Also, I’m suddenly reminded of and amused by the thought of previous riotact articles about our local political party offices having vast databases of information on us)

cross 9:24 pm 10 Dec 10

Some bureaucrats and corporations just don,t get the whole Interwebs tubes thing,the more attention wikileaks get the worse it will get for them.
System admins unite.

peterepete 9:15 pm 10 Dec 10

Jungle Jim says – “Why does there need to be a derogatory ‘yankees’ statement at the bottom of “message”. Totally agree Jungle Jim – whats the dislike of 500 million people based upon their origin got to do with the issue? I don’t get how these wicked van types/hippies can be so discriminatory. I hate how IF you ever turn up to protest about an issue you end up marching under 50 other banners that you are opposed to that have got nothing to do with the issue. Its why I never go.

Skidbladnir 8:24 pm 10 Dec 10

How did a private get access to diplomatic cables?
SIPRNet is a US Govt system of Secret (NOFORN) or higher level access that uses a Permit All Once Access Granted, Only Deny If Requested user access architecture in response to Sept 11’s “We had it on file but nobody knew about it” problems.
Manning abused that inherent flaw.

It has a user base of three million people, and evidently confidential diplomatic cables are also filed in it.Much to the frustration of people like Kevin07 and Arbib, since it meant they weren’t actually being treated as confidentially as they seemed to expect.

creative_canberran 6:58 pm 10 Dec 10

Chaz said :

anyone else have a feeling that this wikileaks issue will lead to net censorship?

The FCC is actually working on legislating regarding “Net Neutrality” at the moment because service providers are attempting to censor what users access. Should be interesting to see what they come up with given whatever they do will reflect on their own ability to censor sites.

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