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Just how many landcruisers do the cops have?

By p1 23 January 2013 38

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The AFP were making use of the recently boarded up Alexander and Abermarle Buildings in for training again today. I wonder where they will move to when they are finally demolished?

I took note today specifically, as there were at least five similar landcruisers decked out with the unmarked car lighting, bullbars, roof-rack’s, and in some cases winches and snorkels. It set me to wondering just how many such vehicles a city the size of Canberra needs?

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obamabinladen 1:11 am 29 Jan 13

Hes right you know they arent police vehicles. A group of soccer mums got sick of being late all the time so they had their vehicles fitted out like undercover cop cars! They never get held up in traffic anymore!

Deckard 1:04 pm 25 Jan 13

vg said :

You’re not listening.

They’re not Police vehicles

ASIO? or something similar?

vet111 12:56 pm 25 Jan 13

vg said :

You’re not listening.

They’re not Police vehicles

SSSHHH EVERYBODY! vg’s going to tell us all about what the REAL situation is without disclosing any credentials or sources, and we have to believe him cos, like, he TOTALLY knows what he’s talking about because he said so!

buzz819 12:41 pm 25 Jan 13

vg said :

You’re not listening.

They’re not Police vehicles

People are listening, but like normal they are ignoring you.

IrishPete 10:31 am 25 Jan 13

vg said :

You’re not listening.

They’re not Police vehicles

It helps if you say which post you are commenting on.

thebrownstreak69 10:24 am 25 Jan 13

davo101 said :

gazket said :

Great Wall 4×4 at $22,990 drive away
I’m sure the TRG have suits and masks they could wear while driving them as they do have some asbestos parts. But at that price who cares

Ah yes, I had the “pleasure” of driving a Geely MK in WA last year. You forget how far automotive engineering has come in the last couple of decades until you get into something that has missed it all.

This is true for most Chinese vehicles currently on the market (I haven’t driven them all). There is a reason they are cheap.

davo101 9:25 am 25 Jan 13

gazket said :

Great Wall 4×4 at $22,990 drive away
I’m sure the TRG have suits and masks they could wear while driving them as they do have some asbestos parts. But at that price who cares

Ah yes, I had the “pleasure” of driving a Geely MK in WA last year. You forget how far automotive engineering has come in the last couple of decades until you get into something that has missed it all.

Antagonist 9:19 am 25 Jan 13

Antagonist said :

Pitchka – a lot has changed since Dasfleet was pissed off about 100 years ago. I do agree that $80k on so many vehicles is a

Ooops. Another user error …

Pitchka – I can see how $80k might be spent on a handful of specialist vehicles. But a dozen of them? That is just wasteful spending, and reflects the wasteful nature of the public budget system that forces agencies to spend all of their money (hence big purchases at the end of financial years), lest they lose it from next years budget.

Antagonist 9:15 am 25 Jan 13

Pitchka said :

Keijidosha said :

I think the valid question to be asked is do the AFP really need $80,000+ Landcruisers? There are plenty of capable 4×4’s available at half that price.

And what sort of capabilities do you think an AFP 4WD needs to have, or are you just focussed on price?
Its a vehicle used for law enforcement. I dont see you complaining about countless SES Officers in the APS who get $40 -$50k vehicles, for nothing other than private use.

SES officers are allowed to use those vehicles for private use because they pay for the car, usually through salary sacrifice. They pay for fuel, rego, insurance, maintenance and FBT. The car is NOT free, or paid for by the taxpayer.

Pitchka – a lot has changed since Dasfleet was pissed off about 100 years ago. I do agree that $80k on so many vehicles is a

vg 8:50 am 25 Jan 13

You’re not listening.

They’re not Police vehicles

gazket 4:53 pm 24 Jan 13

Keijidosha said :

Pork Hunt said :

Keijidosha said :

I think the valid question to be asked is do the AFP really need $80,000+ Landcruisers? There are plenty of capable 4×4’s available at half that price.

Such as ?

Holden Colorado, Isuzu D-Max, Nissan Navara, Toyota Hilux… just to name a few.

Great Wall 4×4 at $22,990 drive away
I’m sure the TRG have suits and masks they could wear while driving them as they do have some asbestos parts. But at that price who cares

Pitchka 3:33 pm 24 Jan 13

Sandman said :

How do you think they access all the dope plantations on the south coast? Not going to get an LPG Falcon in there.

I doubt they pay retail price either. I know a couple of farmers that always seem to have brand new Prado’s because if they sell it in the first couple of years they can get the same as what they paid new with their primary producers discount. Imagine the fleet pricing the cops get on them.

No they dont pay retail bud, your right… having worked for Dasfleet in a previous life, fleet cars are not charged at the RRP, far from it.. whether they are 4 bangers, larger cars or 4wd’s. .

c_c™ 3:32 pm 24 Jan 13

Keijidosha said :

I think the valid question to be asked is do the AFP really need $80,000+ Landcruisers? There are plenty of capable 4×4’s available at half that price.

Certain models of vehicles lend themselves to certain modifications, Toyota Landcruiser 200s are one such vehicle that modifiers are comfortable and experienced with.

You can bet given the age of those vehicles and certain visual cues that they aren’t typical factor fleet models.

ATypicalUsername said :

I think the point is not only do they have so many four wheel drives, but they have so many unmarked four wheel drives.
Surely you only need a few unmarked cars, and of those, you really don’t need ANY 4X4s. Surely one or two would be fine for most situations, if you really do need the utility such a vehicle provides, why not bring in one of the many fully painted police SUV/4X4s?

Hm, this is a weird comment. We’ve gone from berating the Police for buying expensive cars, to berating them for not splashing out on expensive livery.

A lot of ACT Policing vehicles are unmarked, including Ford Territories, Ford Falcon utes, Toyota Aurions, and some Holden Commodores.

Having those large, unmarked 4x4s serves a number of purposes, some of which probably less important now that they have the Bearcat.

Evacuation from dangerous situations is one.

Storage of specialist equipment, you can bet there’s safes in the back.

Entry into dangerous environments, hence the grab bars around the roof line.

Covert/surprise interdiction.

When Police choose vehicles, they need to consider even minute things like how quickly someone in certain gear and holding certain equipment can get in and out of the vehicle. When you look at the designs of a lot of vehicles now, they go for sleek style of utilitarian aspects. So even that substantially limits the choices.

Not a problem at all, a very justified resource for them.

I do think something that should be questioned is having every Police car a large sedan. When you compare the SRG vehicles to comparable over seas units, they’re not as fancy. But when you compare the broader fleet to overseas Police, we definitely take after the Americans and their beloved Crown Vic rather than British and European police. Hopefully when the Commodore and Falcon get culled after 2015, local Police will be a bit more creative. Larger engine area cars and highway cars, and smaller general duties vehicles with Di engines.

Sandman 3:26 pm 24 Jan 13

How do you think they access all the dope plantations on the south coast? Not going to get an LPG Falcon in there.

I doubt they pay retail price either. I know a couple of farmers that always seem to have brand new Prado’s because if they sell it in the first couple of years they can get the same as what they paid new with their primary producers discount. Imagine the fleet pricing the cops get on them.

Pitchka 2:37 pm 24 Jan 13

bigM said :

Keijidosha said :

Keep your shirt on, Pitchka! I’m not concerned about what it costs to equip our Police with the equipment they need, but a luxury 4×4 does strike me as slightly exorbitant, perhaps because I’m ignorant of features that the Landcruiser offers that the AFP need. Can you enlighten me?

(FYI: I know the difference between a dual cab and wagon 4×4, but besides the enclosed cargo area I can see no practical difference, hence my original question. Again, I’m happy to be educated!)

i can only imagine they carry around some serious gear in the back of those cruiser that probably isnt likely to last very long in the back of a dual cab is a pretty good reason. Plus have you ever sat in the back of a dual cab ute,hardly enough room for a small child, let alone adults with a good few kilos of equipment on.

plus everyone knows that cruisers are the best 4wd’s

SHUT UP, YOUR MAKING SENSE…

bigM 1:39 pm 24 Jan 13

Keijidosha said :

Keep your shirt on, Pitchka! I’m not concerned about what it costs to equip our Police with the equipment they need, but a luxury 4×4 does strike me as slightly exorbitant, perhaps because I’m ignorant of features that the Landcruiser offers that the AFP need. Can you enlighten me?

(FYI: I know the difference between a dual cab and wagon 4×4, but besides the enclosed cargo area I can see no practical difference, hence my original question. Again, I’m happy to be educated!)

i can only imagine they carry around some serious gear in the back of those cruiser that probably isnt likely to last very long in the back of a dual cab is a pretty good reason. Plus have you ever sat in the back of a dual cab ute,hardly enough room for a small child, let alone adults with a good few kilos of equipment on.

plus everyone knows that cruisers are the best 4wd’s

IrishPete 1:28 pm 24 Jan 13

I think we’ve all seen unmarked Landcruisers pulling over motorists, which seems to imply they are ACT Policing vehicles. It’s possible they’re being used as “deep cover” – who would suspect police to be driving an $80k unmarked Landcruiser? I even saw one with Qld plates a year or so ago, had pulled over a car on the Monaro Hwy. Are the Qld plates even more “deep cover”, or had it been transferred from AFP in Qld and they hadn’t got around to changing the registration?

IP

Thumper 1:25 pm 24 Jan 13

G-Fresh said :

c_c™ said :

They also have an armoured bearcat, a fleet of armoured BMW X5s based in Canberra, jet-skis and auxiliary vehicles for special tasks.

They also have a number of Jeep Cherokee’s with Hemi’s running around, Subaru Forester’s, Ford Territory’s etc

Haven’t seen them in a Chery yet.

I’ve got a mate who reckons that a bloke in a pub once told him that the AFP operates Huey gunships that were salvaged from the South China sea after the yanks dumped them off carriers after the fall of Saigon in 1975.

Seriously….

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