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Kava now ok for the Multicultural Festival

By johnboy 10 February 2012 25

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Radio Australia have word that the Chief Minister has now granted a three day exemption for the traditional use of kava at the Multicultural Festival:

But authorities have had a change of heart, and a trial exemption began at midnight.

The Chief Health Officer of the ACT, Dr Paul Kelly, has told Radio Australia he doesn’t believe the cultural use of kava is harmful.

“The ban was actually put in place for a very specific reason and that’s in relation to the widespread abuse of kava in Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory where the use of kava is very different to the longstanding cultural use in Pacific Island countries and Pacific Island residents of Australia,” he said.

UPDATE 10/02/12 13:29: The Greens are expressing their approval of this decision:

Amanda Bresnan, ACT Greens Multicultural Affairs spokesperson said the ACT Government’s decision to permit kava at the National Multicultural Festival is a show of respect for Pacific Islander culture.

“I congratulate the Government for granting the exemption for the Multicultural Festival. Kava ceremonies are a central and meaningful part of Pacific Islander culture, and this decision recognises and respects this” said Amanda Bresnan MLA, ACT Greens Multicultural Affairs spokesperson.

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Jethro 11:16 pm 11 Feb 12

Kiron2222 said :

Jethro said :

I see the mistake you are making Kiron2222… you’re operating under the assumption that drug laws are based on reason.

I also noticed that I think I must have still been under the effects of Kava when I wrote that post as my grammar in it is awful 🙁

Yes I agree that the drug laws at the moment are not based on any sort of reason and are all based on kneejerk reactions by people who have never bothered to do the research, but god darn, you would think in the legislation they would actually do a basic google/erowid search on the stuff they are banning.

The major problem I have with the ACT legislation as it stands is that it is incredibly wide-sweeping banning entire genus, they are scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel with Conocybe spp and Amanita spp to find something to make illegal, a lot of the plants on the list grow naturally in Australia and you could find plants on the list in everyones garden, most of the plants on the list are legal everywhere else in Australia and there are clear mistakes on the list like misspelling of names and Psilocybin is classed as a plant when a basic google search will show you, it’s a chemical compound ([3-(2-Dimethylaminoethyl)-1H-indol-4-yl] dihydrogen phosphate).

Some uniformity across the laws would be nice, considering someone from somewhere else in Australia might waltz into the ACT with a huge amount of scheduled plants because they didn’t read some obscure legislation from the 80s.

Also if Kava is illegal because Remote Aboriginal communities in the NT were abusing it…. why is it illegal in the ACT?

Shhh… people might hear you.

Kiron2222 9:34 pm 11 Feb 12

Jethro said :

I see the mistake you are making Kiron2222… you’re operating under the assumption that drug laws are based on reason.

I also noticed that I think I must have still been under the effects of Kava when I wrote that post as my grammar in it is awful 🙁

Yes I agree that the drug laws at the moment are not based on any sort of reason and are all based on kneejerk reactions by people who have never bothered to do the research, but god darn, you would think in the legislation they would actually do a basic google/erowid search on the stuff they are banning.

The major problem I have with the ACT legislation as it stands is that it is incredibly wide-sweeping banning entire genus, they are scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel with Conocybe spp and Amanita spp to find something to make illegal, a lot of the plants on the list grow naturally in Australia and you could find plants on the list in everyones garden, most of the plants on the list are legal everywhere else in Australia and there are clear mistakes on the list like misspelling of names and Psilocybin is classed as a plant when a basic google search will show you, it’s a chemical compound ([3-(2-Dimethylaminoethyl)-1H-indol-4-yl] dihydrogen phosphate).

Some uniformity across the laws would be nice, considering someone from somewhere else in Australia might waltz into the ACT with a huge amount of scheduled plants because they didn’t read some obscure legislation from the 80s.

Also if Kava is illegal because Remote Aboriginal communities in the NT were abusing it…. why is it illegal in the ACT?

Jethro 6:43 pm 11 Feb 12

Kiron2222 said :

I just sat in on the Kava circle partook in their little song and did it at the multi-cultural festival.

Really nice effect of being really relaxed and numbness of the mouth, it didn’t really have any noticeable taste, lasted about half an hour and then I was back to normal.

This does bring up an interesting thing though

“Peyote ceremonies are a central and meaningful part of Native American culture, and this decision recognises and respects this”

“Ayahuasca ceremonies are a central and meaningful part of South American and Asian culture, and this decision recognises and respects this”

Care to lobby overturning the ban on both those plants (Lophophora/Banisteriopsis caapi) here in Canberra since the ACT seems to be the only place where they are illegal on the planet Greens/Labor?

Actually question about that legislation, the actual scheduled plants in the ACT lists “Banisteria caapi”, yet no plant by this name actually exists, Banisteriopsis caapi is the correct spelling.. what is going on there because it is mispelt in the legislation, does that mean it’s legal?
Also looking at the list of scheduled plants.. I wonder if the person who wrote proposed this legislation actually knows anything about plants. How is Psilocybin a controlled plant when it isn’t a Plant? Conocybe spp is also on the list … which I could find in anyones garden anywhere in Australia growing naturally in quite large numbers, hell when I was in Civic a few hours ago I saw it growing in the lawns in the front of AFP headquaters. What is strange is that is an entire Genus of plant with hundreds of species in it is illegal, because only 4 of them are psychedelic.

Amanita spp is also on the list, arresting anyone with Deathcap mushrooms in their gardens? How about those guys that ate Death Cap mushrooms arresting the survivor/survivors for having a scheduled 5 substance on them what about closing down the restaurant/club that serves scheduled plants to their customers?

I wish I was talking in cheek, but this is the same chart that lists Marijuana and Cocaine plants, if growing them in your garden is illegal, why don’t police crack down on the hundreds if not thousands of plants that make up the shockingly bad “Australian Capital Territory drugs of dependence act 1989”.

Oh well, that’s my little rant out of the way.

I see the mistake you are making Kiron2222… you’re operating under the assumption that drug laws are based on reason.

Kiron2222 5:02 pm 11 Feb 12

I just sat in on the Kava circle partook in their little song and did it at the multi-cultural festival.

Really nice effect of being really relaxed and numbness of the mouth, it didn’t really have any noticeable taste, lasted about half an hour and then I was back to normal.

This does bring up an interesting thing though

“Peyote ceremonies are a central and meaningful part of Native American culture, and this decision recognises and respects this”

“Ayahuasca ceremonies are a central and meaningful part of South American and Asian culture, and this decision recognises and respects this”

Care to lobby overturning the ban on both those plants (Lophophora/Banisteriopsis caapi) here in Canberra since the ACT seems to be the only place where they are illegal on the planet Greens/Labor?

Actually question about that legislation, the actual scheduled plants in the ACT lists “Banisteria caapi”, yet no plant by this name actually exists, Banisteriopsis caapi is the correct spelling.. what is going on there because it is mispelt in the legislation, does that mean it’s legal?
Also looking at the list of scheduled plants.. I wonder if the person who wrote proposed this legislation actually knows anything about plants. How is Psilocybin a controlled plant when it isn’t a Plant? Conocybe spp is also on the list … which I could find in anyones garden anywhere in Australia growing naturally in quite large numbers, hell when I was in Civic a few hours ago I saw it growing in the lawns in the front of AFP headquaters. What is strange is that is an entire Genus of plant with hundreds of species in it is illegal, because only 4 of them are psychedelic.

Amanita spp is also on the list, arresting anyone with Deathcap mushrooms in their gardens? How about those guys that ate Death Cap mushrooms arresting the survivor/survivors for having a scheduled 5 substance on them what about closing down the restaurant/club that serves scheduled plants to their customers?

I wish I was talking in cheek, but this is the same chart that lists Marijuana and Cocaine plants, if growing them in your garden is illegal, why don’t police crack down on the hundreds if not thousands of plants that make up the shockingly bad “Australian Capital Territory drugs of dependence act 1989”.

Oh well, that’s my little rant out of the way.

poetix 11:47 am 11 Feb 12

vg said :

Probably a few Tongans who think Maccas tastes like s*** too…….and that’s as close as we have to anything traditional

Um, kangaroo or quandong anyone?

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