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Parking in Braddon – something still needs to be done

By Alexandra Craig 16 June 2015 76

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Braddon is getting busier. Well duh, I hear you say. Of course it is. With a new cafe popping up what seems like every second week, new apartment complexes filling up with residents and another huge complex to be built where Lonsdale Street Traders once stood, the suburb is bustling more than ever. Not to mention the people brought in by the new Avenue Hotel backing onto Mort Street. And it’s near impossible to get a parking spot without driving around for an eternity.

I wrote about this issue in September last year, suggesting that the Haig Park car park (next to the Mandalay Bus) be built up into a multi-storey car park to ease some of the woes of visitors. An article in Fairfax media this week reveals that a group of citizens, collectively known as the Braddon Forum, have urged the government to consider a similar idea; an extension of the Haig Park car park half a storey above ground level and half a storey below ground level to tie in with the recently announced $1.5 million upgrade to the area which includes improved lighting in Haig Park (thank you, Andrew Barr!)

Planning Minister Mick Gentlemen welcomed discussion around the proposal, reaffirming Canberra’s commitment to build an integrated transport network alongside the newly released parking action plan.

My position on this issue remains unchanged from the sentiments I expressed in September. There does need to be some upgrades in the way of parking availability. There are several parking spots down the middle of Lonsdale Street, as well as a few bays for U-turns. Recently I’ve seen cars parking in the U-Turn bays which is presenting as a bit of a traffic hazard when their car isn’t taking up the whole bay. It would be quite easy to see the bay at night and to swing in without realising how much of the bay was being taken up by a car. I have no problem with these bays being turned into permanent car parks, but until this is done I think it’s not safe for people to be parking there.

I’m lucky to live about a five- to seven-minute walk away from the centre of Lonsdale Street, however, the punters who can’t get a park have started clogging up my street. Compared to when I moved in 12 months ago, the amount of cars on the street has probably quadrupled – especially in the afternoon and evening. I am fortunate to have undercover parking but many in my street don’t and are forced to park illegally, only to then have the parking inspectors called on them. We’re especially lucky to have a neighbour that takes it upon themselves to put rude notes on cars and then alert the inspectors.

It’s good to see local residents like the Braddon Forum taking their concerns to the Minister. Personally I’d like to see more businesses in Lonsdale Street come forward and have their say. As I referenced last year, Adam Ciaccia from AXIS Hairdressing raised the issue publically but I think it’s time for others to get on board and let their voices be heard not just privately but in public. If a community wants something, they need to fight for it.

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Maya123 9:00 am 23 Jun 15

devils_advocate said :

sev said :

I’m sympathetic to people trying to find a park, but thinking in a global context, government spending on infrastructure that makes it *easier* for people to use fossil fuels would be a step in the wrong direction. As driving cars becomes more difficult and expensive, demand for other options will increase, (followed by increased supply and quality and convenience of those options, I admit it’s not there yet).

Except, cars are not necessarily dependent on fossil fuels.

The issue here is parking; not what the car runs on. That’s irrelevant, as they all take the same amount of parking and infrastructure.

creative_canberran 5:48 pm 22 Jun 15

Alexandra Craig said :

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

Always full? Not today at lunch hour: http://imgur.com/prlrftX

devils_advocate 4:53 pm 22 Jun 15

sev said :

I’m sympathetic to people trying to find a park, but thinking in a global context, government spending on infrastructure that makes it *easier* for people to use fossil fuels would be a step in the wrong direction. As driving cars becomes more difficult and expensive, demand for other options will increase, (followed by increased supply and quality and convenience of those options, I admit it’s not there yet).

Except, cars are not necessarily dependent on fossil fuels.

dkNigs 4:34 pm 22 Jun 15

Alexandra Craig said :

And not everyone can just go get a motorcycle licence.

Sorry, but most people can. Try visiting south east asia sometime, our over reliance on being single users of giant five seater vehicles here is pretty disgusting. Hell our transit lanes are only T2, because if they were T3 or T4, nobody would ever get to use them!

JC 1:38 pm 22 Jun 15

Alexandra Craig said :

creative_canberran said :

Alexandra Craig said :

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

I’m not opposed to walking, but there are quite a few businesses in Braddon that aren’t cafes etc (real estate agencies, hairdressers, physiotherapists and a couple of other things) that you would be attending set appointments at, often in your lunch break where you simply don’t have the convenience of parking a distance away and walking.

And like you said, there’s already a car park in Haig Park – so they wouldn’t be ‘paving a park to put in a parking lot’. They would just be building up on the existing car park.

Those carparks are not always full. Even in the middle of the day you can find one usually. And for those few times you can’t, there’s the Canberra Centre which is only a 5min walk away. And if you have appointments to keep, it’s a matter of being better organised.

As for building a new carpark beside Haig Park, there is a world of difference between a surface carpark and a multi-level structure.

No, it’s not a matter of being better organised. If people only have a certain amount of time for lunch and leave their workplace on time, how much more organised can you be?

Of course there’s a difference between the two types of parking lots – however, it’s not as if we’re ripping down the whole park to put a parking lot in. There is already some space available to build on, we’re not starting from scratch.

dkNigs said :

Alexandra Craig said :

You could easily have it both ways though. There’s two car parks – one at the top of Lonsdale Street and one at the top of Mort Street. You could move the Mandalay up to Mort Street and build on the Lonsdale car park, or the other way around; build on Mort and Mandalay stays where it is.

Sorry, but do you really think it’s that easy for a business to leave the location they’ve had for 30 years and still get the same considerations when moving up the street directly across the road from an apartment building?

Alexandra Craig said :

What if you’re a couple in a relationship and you only have one parking spot? That was my situation for a while at one stag (not in Braddon).

You seem very inflexible. I live in Braddon with my wife, we have one carspace, and one car. I also got a motorcycle licence because it’s cheaper, easier, quicker to get places, quicker to park, and we have two vehicles when needed.

Alexandra Craig said :

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

I’m not opposed to walking, but there are quite a few businesses in Braddon that aren’t cafes etc (real estate agencies, hairdressers, physiotherapists and a couple of other things) that you would be attending set appointments at, often in your lunch break where you simply don’t have the convenience of parking a distance away and walking.

And like you said, there’s already a car park in Haig Park – so they wouldn’t be ‘paving a park to put in a parking lot’. They would just be building up on the existing car park.

People can just stop being so bloody lazy and walk more. The only thing braddon needs more of is disabled parking, there is barely any of it, and maybe more loading zones. If that meant LESS regular parking then that’s fine, the people who lose carparks are perfectly capable of walking up the damned street from civic.

I did say it could go both ways, put the multi-storey where the other car park is and leave Mandalay where it is. However, with the new apartments being built on Lonsdale Street where the Traders used to be, they’ll be the closest to the Mandalay Bus so if considerations given to that business are going to change it’s not going to be because of them moving due to a car park being built. It’ll be because now there’s an apartment quite close by and they complain about noise.

I’m also not being inflexible. I have underground parking. Like I’ve said many times, this isn’t about me. The example I gave about having two cars and one car space was when I lived elsewhere and we had lots of street parking, so it wasn’t a problem. But for couples with two cars and limited street parking it would be a problem. And not everyone can just go get a motorcycle licence.

And the solution if you have two cars and one car space is to not live there in the first place if it is an issue. Inner city living comes with compromises. Extra car parks=extra costs for the owner/renter or you change the way you live including not making the choice to live there if need being it is an issue.

Personally it would be an issue for me too hence why I CHOOSE to live in the burbs rather than inner city. I would prefer it actually being able to walk to work, the pub etc but the compromise is too much so burbs it is with another set of compromises and trade offs.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 11:29 am 22 Jun 15

If I need to go to Braddon in the middle of the day I just park in the northernmost multi-story carpark at the Canberra Centre.

There are always parks, and it takes literally 5 minutes to walk into Braddon.

Alexandra Craig 9:47 am 22 Jun 15

creative_canberran said :

Alexandra Craig said :

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

I’m not opposed to walking, but there are quite a few businesses in Braddon that aren’t cafes etc (real estate agencies, hairdressers, physiotherapists and a couple of other things) that you would be attending set appointments at, often in your lunch break where you simply don’t have the convenience of parking a distance away and walking.

And like you said, there’s already a car park in Haig Park – so they wouldn’t be ‘paving a park to put in a parking lot’. They would just be building up on the existing car park.

Those carparks are not always full. Even in the middle of the day you can find one usually. And for those few times you can’t, there’s the Canberra Centre which is only a 5min walk away. And if you have appointments to keep, it’s a matter of being better organised.

As for building a new carpark beside Haig Park, there is a world of difference between a surface carpark and a multi-level structure.

No, it’s not a matter of being better organised. If people only have a certain amount of time for lunch and leave their workplace on time, how much more organised can you be?

Of course there’s a difference between the two types of parking lots – however, it’s not as if we’re ripping down the whole park to put a parking lot in. There is already some space available to build on, we’re not starting from scratch.

dkNigs said :

Alexandra Craig said :

You could easily have it both ways though. There’s two car parks – one at the top of Lonsdale Street and one at the top of Mort Street. You could move the Mandalay up to Mort Street and build on the Lonsdale car park, or the other way around; build on Mort and Mandalay stays where it is.

Sorry, but do you really think it’s that easy for a business to leave the location they’ve had for 30 years and still get the same considerations when moving up the street directly across the road from an apartment building?

Alexandra Craig said :

What if you’re a couple in a relationship and you only have one parking spot? That was my situation for a while at one stag (not in Braddon).

You seem very inflexible. I live in Braddon with my wife, we have one carspace, and one car. I also got a motorcycle licence because it’s cheaper, easier, quicker to get places, quicker to park, and we have two vehicles when needed.

Alexandra Craig said :

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

I’m not opposed to walking, but there are quite a few businesses in Braddon that aren’t cafes etc (real estate agencies, hairdressers, physiotherapists and a couple of other things) that you would be attending set appointments at, often in your lunch break where you simply don’t have the convenience of parking a distance away and walking.

And like you said, there’s already a car park in Haig Park – so they wouldn’t be ‘paving a park to put in a parking lot’. They would just be building up on the existing car park.

People can just stop being so bloody lazy and walk more. The only thing braddon needs more of is disabled parking, there is barely any of it, and maybe more loading zones. If that meant LESS regular parking then that’s fine, the people who lose carparks are perfectly capable of walking up the damned street from civic.

I did say it could go both ways, put the multi-storey where the other car park is and leave Mandalay where it is. However, with the new apartments being built on Lonsdale Street where the Traders used to be, they’ll be the closest to the Mandalay Bus so if considerations given to that business are going to change it’s not going to be because of them moving due to a car park being built. It’ll be because now there’s an apartment quite close by and they complain about noise.

I’m also not being inflexible. I have underground parking. Like I’ve said many times, this isn’t about me. The example I gave about having two cars and one car space was when I lived elsewhere and we had lots of street parking, so it wasn’t a problem. But for couples with two cars and limited street parking it would be a problem. And not everyone can just go get a motorcycle licence.

bryansworld 9:46 am 22 Jun 15

dkNigs said :

Alexandra Craig said :

You could easily have it both ways though. There’s two car parks – one at the top of Lonsdale Street and one at the top of Mort Street. You could move the Mandalay up to Mort Street and build on the Lonsdale car park, or the other way around; build on Mort and Mandalay stays where it is.

Sorry, but do you really think it’s that easy for a business to leave the location they’ve had for 30 years and still get the same considerations when moving up the street directly across the road from an apartment building?

Alexandra Craig said :

What if you’re a couple in a relationship and you only have one parking spot? That was my situation for a while at one stag (not in Braddon).

You seem very inflexible. I live in Braddon with my wife, we have one carspace, and one car. I also got a motorcycle licence because it’s cheaper, easier, quicker to get places, quicker to park, and we have two vehicles when needed.

Alexandra Craig said :

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

I’m not opposed to walking, but there are quite a few businesses in Braddon that aren’t cafes etc (real estate agencies, hairdressers, physiotherapists and a couple of other things) that you would be attending set appointments at, often in your lunch break where you simply don’t have the convenience of parking a distance away and walking.

And like you said, there’s already a car park in Haig Park – so they wouldn’t be ‘paving a park to put in a parking lot’. They would just be building up on the existing car park.

People can just stop being so bloody lazy and walk more. The only thing braddon needs more of is disabled parking, there is barely any of it, and maybe more loading zones. If that meant LESS regular parking then that’s fine, the people who lose carparks are perfectly capable of walking up the damned street from civic.

I think it’s a big Canberra problem. Over decades people have got too used to being able to drive right up to where they want to go. If you want funky bohemian vibe in a dense inner-city, driving convenience has got to go.

dkNigs 8:37 am 21 Jun 15

Alexandra Craig said :

You could easily have it both ways though. There’s two car parks – one at the top of Lonsdale Street and one at the top of Mort Street. You could move the Mandalay up to Mort Street and build on the Lonsdale car park, or the other way around; build on Mort and Mandalay stays where it is.

Sorry, but do you really think it’s that easy for a business to leave the location they’ve had for 30 years and still get the same considerations when moving up the street directly across the road from an apartment building?

Alexandra Craig said :

What if you’re a couple in a relationship and you only have one parking spot? That was my situation for a while at one stag (not in Braddon).

You seem very inflexible. I live in Braddon with my wife, we have one carspace, and one car. I also got a motorcycle licence because it’s cheaper, easier, quicker to get places, quicker to park, and we have two vehicles when needed.

Alexandra Craig said :

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

I’m not opposed to walking, but there are quite a few businesses in Braddon that aren’t cafes etc (real estate agencies, hairdressers, physiotherapists and a couple of other things) that you would be attending set appointments at, often in your lunch break where you simply don’t have the convenience of parking a distance away and walking.

And like you said, there’s already a car park in Haig Park – so they wouldn’t be ‘paving a park to put in a parking lot’. They would just be building up on the existing car park.

People can just stop being so bloody lazy and walk more. The only thing braddon needs more of is disabled parking, there is barely any of it, and maybe more loading zones. If that meant LESS regular parking then that’s fine, the people who lose carparks are perfectly capable of walking up the damned street from civic.

creative_canberran 12:41 am 21 Jun 15

Alexandra Craig said :

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

I’m not opposed to walking, but there are quite a few businesses in Braddon that aren’t cafes etc (real estate agencies, hairdressers, physiotherapists and a couple of other things) that you would be attending set appointments at, often in your lunch break where you simply don’t have the convenience of parking a distance away and walking.

And like you said, there’s already a car park in Haig Park – so they wouldn’t be ‘paving a park to put in a parking lot’. They would just be building up on the existing car park.

Those carparks are not always full. Even in the middle of the day you can find one usually. And for those few times you can’t, there’s the Canberra Centre which is only a 5min walk away. And if you have appointments to keep, it’s a matter of being better organised.

As for building a new carpark beside Haig Park, there is a world of difference between a surface carpark and a multi-level structure.

Alexandra Craig 11:10 pm 20 Jun 15

Dame Canberra said :

A word of warning: Don’t try and park in the nearby sporting oval carparks on a Friday evening! They lock the gates and then you can’t get your car out until Monday unless you BYO bolt cutters. Not recommended!

Oh yes! They lock it up hey. I went there once to do some running and it was locked when I arrived – I presumed it would be open 24/7.

dkNigs said :

I’d rather see a Raiders club on Northbourne Oval and the extra parking that would bring than a multistory blight on Haig Park that would absolutely damage the Mandalay Bus business.

You could easily have it both ways though. There’s two car parks – one at the top of Lonsdale Street and one at the top of Mort Street. You could move the Mandalay up to Mort Street and build on the Lonsdale car park, or the other way around; build on Mort and Mandalay stays where it is.

dkNigs said :

I would also like to strongly emphasise that it is not currently legal to build/sell apartments in Canberra without suitable parking. If you CHOOSE to live in a group house situation that does not have parking that suits you, that would be your own problem. Nobody lives in Canberra and “does not have parking at home”.

What if you’re a couple in a relationship and you only have one parking spot? That was my situation for a while at one stag (not in Braddon).

Citizen Phil said :

At the other end of Lonsdale Street there are carparks for the Canberra Centre, the whole length of Mort Street has a carpark plus the Braddon and Turner both have carparks in Haig Park already.

Why is it when people visit Braddon they think they have to park right out the front of the premises they are visiting? Why not do a little walking? It’s like going to the local shop and watching people driving around and around waiting for that spot right out the front to save themselves walking 10m.

Whatever happens paving a park to put a parking lot doesn’t seem right.

The car parks in Mort Street and the ones in Haig Park are always full.

I’m not opposed to walking, but there are quite a few businesses in Braddon that aren’t cafes etc (real estate agencies, hairdressers, physiotherapists and a couple of other things) that you would be attending set appointments at, often in your lunch break where you simply don’t have the convenience of parking a distance away and walking.

And like you said, there’s already a car park in Haig Park – so they wouldn’t be ‘paving a park to put in a parking lot’. They would just be building up on the existing car park.

rubaiyat 5:55 pm 20 Jun 15

Citizen Phil said :

At the other end of Lonsdale Street there are carparks for the Canberra Centre, the whole length of Mort Street has a carpark plus the Braddon and Turner both have carparks in Haig Park already.

Why is it when people visit Braddon they think they have to park right out the front of the premises they are visiting? Why not do a little walking? It’s like going to the local shop and watching people driving around and around waiting for that spot right out the front to save themselves walking 10m.

I live in Forbes Street Turner which every day is packed with cars from civic workers, that’s life. They’re risking a fine to save a few bucks in a free 2 hour park, that’s their thing, good luck to them.

I believe Introducing multi story carparks onto Haig Park isn’t going to make Braddon (and/or Turner) any less congested, in fact I believe it will have opposite effect as it will probably cost more to park there driving more people to look for free parking in the surrounding areas. To me the people already parking in the surrounding areas are purely parking there because it’s free, not because it’s close to where they want to go.

Whatever happens paving a park to put a parking lot doesn’t seem right.

Yep, agree.

I walked up AND DOWN Lonsdale Street the other day with my shopping, each leg being more than the “too difficult” 700m.

Mind you a good solution would be a tram running up Lonsdale St from the heart of Civic to Dickson and beyond. THAT would really make Inner City Canberra work and would make all that North East corner a model for a new sustainable Canberra. It would certainly absorb a lot of Canberra’s growth in a vital interesting redesign without having to go to the ludicrous extremes of outer Belconnen, Tuggeranong, Gunghalin, Molonglo and Googong.

Citizen Phil 8:55 am 20 Jun 15

At the other end of Lonsdale Street there are carparks for the Canberra Centre, the whole length of Mort Street has a carpark plus the Braddon and Turner both have carparks in Haig Park already.

Why is it when people visit Braddon they think they have to park right out the front of the premises they are visiting? Why not do a little walking? It’s like going to the local shop and watching people driving around and around waiting for that spot right out the front to save themselves walking 10m.

I live in Forbes Street Turner which every day is packed with cars from civic workers, that’s life. They’re risking a fine to save a few bucks in a free 2 hour park, that’s their thing, good luck to them.

I believe Introducing multi story carparks onto Haig Park isn’t going to make Braddon (and/or Turner) any less congested, in fact I believe it will have opposite effect as it will probably cost more to park there driving more people to look for free parking in the surrounding areas. To me the people already parking in the surrounding areas are purely parking there because it’s free, not because it’s close to where they want to go.

Whatever happens paving a park to put a parking lot doesn’t seem right.

Masquara 10:19 pm 19 Jun 15

It is definitely quite weird that it is easier to park in inner Civic than in Braddon.

dkNigs 10:06 pm 19 Jun 15

I would also like to strongly emphasise that it is not currently legal to build/sell apartments in Canberra without suitable parking. If you CHOOSE to live in a group house situation that does not have parking that suits you, that would be your own problem. Nobody lives in Canberra and “does not have parking at home”.

dkNigs 10:02 pm 19 Jun 15

I’d rather see a Raiders club on Northbourne Oval and the extra parking that would bring than a multistory blight on Haig Park that would absolutely damage the Mandalay Bus business.

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