Police Sting Cyclists

che 14 December 2007 92

I heard a story last night of 12 cyclists getting caught in a Police sting as they rode their bikes across a pedestrian crossing through O’Connor. Each one was stopped as they rode over the crossing and were told they’d just incurred a $237 fine for not walking their bike across. The cyclists were told that the Police were at the site as a cyclist had been knocked off their bike by a car while riding over the pedestrian crossing.

Later on I was informed it was probably a training exercise as the new graduates from the Police Academy [Barton College – Ed] are doing their 2 weeks training with the Traffic section, which would fit in well with the scenario as there was one old guy doing all the talking to the cyclists and 3 young fellas (I’m told they looked about 12) taking down all the details.

I’m guessing unless the cyclists failed the attitude test they probably all got off with a verbal warning, and that there probably wasn’t an accident.

If you were on your bike and stopped in this situation would you give your real name (no ID checked) or would you give that of someone you really didn’t like? [which would be an offense and could land you in the watch house – Ed]

[Further to that, does anyone know of any recent cyclist accidents at that location? – Ed]

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The Brad The Brad 10:14 am 28 Sep 09

BigDave said :

…. so I have to swerve into the right hand lane and hope whoever is there has lightning reactions, a strong nerve and an extra pair of underpants. My fault?

BigDave, If you do that, then legally, yes, it’s your fault. google David Kalwig.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 8:57 am 28 Sep 09

Just let the smaller vehicles give way to the bigger ones…

bigred bigred 8:10 am 28 Sep 09

With respect to the David St crossing it seems to me that it is a terrible mess. My suggestion is that it gets the cyclist crossing treatment like they have done in one of the back streets in Lyneham. That way no body would have any right to complain about them riding across the crossing. For the rest, let common sense prevail.

Kramer Kramer 6:51 am 28 Sep 09

Massive grave dig guys – with reaction times like this no wonder cyclists are wary of car drivers.

Cletus 2 Cletus 2 4:33 am 28 Sep 09

Well, laws aren’t really made so people who know better can ignore them. There is a very good reason for the dismount before crossing rule, and that is the problematic grey area you get with the “slow to a REASONABLE speed” technique.

What do you think would happen if road speed limits were advisory only so long as you drove at what you thought was a reasonable speed?

The way cyclists are talking about the law here really reinforces my view that a lot of them are self righteous arseholes. I can’t say I never break the law, but I would never claim it shouldn’t apply to me because I know better.

VITURE VITURE 10:04 pm 27 Sep 09

Ahh Police read Riot Act, as per my comment about cyclists riding over pedestrian crossings, and why are they NEVER stopped, I was driving out of the complex where I live and a cyclist was on the footpath going fast, I nearly ran into her, as there is no mirror to see people walking or riding for that matter, no safety (housing) of course.

Proud Local Proud Local 8:22 pm 20 Dec 07

Oh and all vehicles have a responsibility to avoid colliding with other cars, people and cyclists regardless of fault. You can’t deliberately hit a cyclist on a crossing when you could have slowed down and avoided them just because they were doing the wrong thing! If that was the case there would be plenty of cars I’d love to give a subtle “bump” out of the way. Doesn’t mean it’s right.

I doubt your honor would be too impressed.

Proud Local Proud Local 8:16 pm 20 Dec 07

Please, I don’t know anyone, certainly not any Police Officers that never ever break what you could only describe as “minor” traffic violations. I’m sure everyone on here has sped slightly or not quite come to a complete stop at a stop sign on more then one occasion.

I do try to set a good example with most things, particular in uniform and in the car but no one is perfect or so anal they are going to do the right thing 100% of the time. No one ever jaywalks? C’mon, imagine if Police officers booked someone everytime they jaywalked, didn’t indicate when changing lanes in their car or rode over a pedestrian crossing on their bike! We would never have time to investigate all of the burglaries, assaults, fraud matters, domestic violance etc… and the general community would hate us.

You have to have your priorities right.

Also if a cyclist chooses to ride over a pedestrian crossing dangerously and they get hit, well they only have themselves to blame really.

Mælinar Mælinar 9:32 am 20 Dec 07

I will confirm that when vehicles get pushed over crossings will not be until after cyclists pay to use the roads.

Clear enough ?

Aeek Aeek 9:46 pm 19 Dec 07

Remember the 0th law of driving – don’t hit each other. It doesn’t matter that they are in the wrong, you have no right to chose to drive into someone. Many countries manage quite well with a total disregard to all other laws. We can learn from this.

astrojax astrojax 3:04 pm 19 Dec 07

the other bonus for staying on your bike at x’ings and being wavewd across is that the event can be over more quickly, reducing the waiting time for the motorist.

quite apart from clip shoes, yes!

OpenYourMind2 OpenYourMind2 8:44 pm 18 Dec 07

I think pretty much anybody that rides on cycle paths a lot would agree that the dismount rule is ridiculous and is almost always ignored. If you ride in clip in shoes, walking is not as easy across a crossing – specially if the white paint is slippery.

However, the intent of the rule is good – i.e. to stop cyclists zooming over crossings and giving cars no time to stop.

I’d suggest a more workable rule would be a speed limit of 5km/h for cyclists within 20m of crossings.

Law aside, I’ve always found that common sense works best for all parties concerned. I slow right down at crossings. Most cars appreciate that and then wave me through. I know this is breaking the law as it currently stands and I can’t bitch if I’m booked.

I’ll bet if everybody had to push their car through an intersection the law would also be ignored!!

flyingblind flyingblind 3:31 pm 18 Dec 07

I think the issue is one of respect, I’ve driven heavy trucks for a few years and of course drive a car regularly and when i can i like to cycle to work.

As road user i observe more idiotic behaviour from fellow car drivers than any other means of transportation. I also slow right down to walking pace when using pedestrian crossings, believe me i don’t wish to stay on the road when on my bike,’d much rather use the footpath/bike lane but once your off the main artery’s theres very little space on the shoulders for bikes.

Perhaps there needs to be some money spent to get bikes off the roads and onto bike lanes. Any vehicle that is legally allowed to use public should be treated with respect, yes even cars that try to tow bloody great big caravans!

Mælinar Mælinar 2:47 pm 18 Dec 07

Well, the legal precedent favours the vehicle, as the cyclist is engaged in an illegal activity…

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 1:12 pm 18 Dec 07

The moment someone successfully defends a cyclist vs vehicle impact in court with “But he should have been a dismounted pedestrian at the time, your honour”, I’ll withdraw the “Police have better things to do” comment.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 1:09 pm 18 Dec 07

Personally, I’d prefer if Canberra’s finest were off investigating\enforcing\policing (ie: why we pay them), rather than trying to educate the me about dismounting to walk a bike across the road.

Proud local will probably also admit to having better things to do than police pedestrian crossings, which would be why they set the trainees onto them.

PS: As an profile-raising campaign for strange laws, its apparently been an unexpected success.

Mælinar Mælinar 12:55 pm 18 Dec 07

All drivers pass a competency test that includes the relevant legislation, therefore I disagree that none of the drivers have a clue – a number of people here have acknowledged their awareness of the rule previously as well.

I can see the intent of the legislators is to respect that cyclists crossing roads need to pay due regard to the huge metal things we call vehicles, and also reflect that the onus of road usage falls primarily on those who pay for the privelege.

I would watch with anticipation the test case where a vehicle does not stop for an undismounted cyclist.

astrojax astrojax 12:44 pm 18 Dec 07

it’s a pretty stupid scenario, though, having ‘cyclists dismount’ at some x’ings but not all. and the intent of the legislators, surely, is to have all users of the crossing proceed at a largely uniform, walking, pace, no?

and, unless they were also cyclists, which cannot at all be assumed, none of the drivers on the road would have the feintest clue that cyclists were supposed to dismount. they may only reasonably expect that, as above, all crossers use the x’ing in a safe and slow manner to avoid anxiety and collisions… so i’m not sure i really see the point of any regulations requiring dismounting from my cycle…

p’raps proud local can cause inquiries to be made?

Mælinar Mælinar 10:34 am 18 Dec 07

I would never zip across as I know this is dangerous and yes illegal. It’s still illegal at walking pace but I dont see the difference in riding across or walking across at this speed. – no, it doesn’t read like a misunderstanding, it’s an admission of breaking the law. Not good karma.

Whilst I’m aware of the fact that if a policeman robs a bank, it’s still not ok for me to do it, there are those in society who will stand up and say a blowjob is not sexual relations.

ant ant 9:32 pm 17 Dec 07

It read like Proud Local was not even aware that it’s illegal to ride a bike over a pedestrian crossing. Bit of a worry.

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